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post #31 of 659
Guys -
This unit is in a totally different league from the Mits. This is a high end unit with far more sophistication than the Mits in every department.

However, one cannot, under any circumstances, ignore the rampant problems and excruciatingly high failure rate this unit has had during its entire run. John Clark is correct: AVS stopped selling them because they just couldn't stand behind the product in the right way.
There were rumors a couple of months ago that Samsung was going to begin a 48 hr replacement program - I have no idea where this went.
Do very careful research here. Make sure you have the right guarantee's in place if you want to roll the dice here...

For what its worth, Joe Kane was showing one of these at CEDIA last year (he helped design this unit) and it threw a stunning picture with HD-DVD. If you get a working unit there are few things in this price bracket that can compare.
post #32 of 659
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Originally Posted by Pedro2 View Post

Very tempting indeed. Does anyone know if they finally resolved their quality control problems?

No, they didn't. My coworker went through 3 of them over a year and one them was "repaired" by Samsung instead of replacement before finally getting a refund from Samsung. All of this was over the past year ending in June 07. I believe the 2nd two units that went bad were refurbished.
post #33 of 659
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Originally Posted by TheHDMan View Post

Incredible deal on this projector!...Had to buy one....


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...523&CatId=1755


THANK YOU, HDman.

I've been shopping myself crazy......just jumped on this deal as well!!! Can't wait until WED!!!!
post #34 of 659
Every "professional" review of this projector has been outstanding. The issue according to the reviews is that it takes special equipment to calibrate the projector. However, the projector is basically calibrated as it is produced, so every review that measured data says the projector is spot-on. No calibration appears necessary.

This projector went to the top of my list some time back. The threads are on the over 3,000 forum, as the projector was originally some amount over 3k. However, the number of problems with this projector is troubling. That's what stopped me from buying. On the other hand, this is an incredible deal. I have to talk to the wife!
post #35 of 659
I should also note that relying on forums is hard for this type of information. For instance, on many forums, you only see people complain about products; the other 50-98 % of people might be perfectly happy, but they have few reasons to be on the forum. If I buy this projector (and assuming it doesn't develop problems), I'll not be here again until I decide to upgrade.
post #36 of 659
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Originally Posted by ctviggen View Post

I should also note that relying on forums is hard for this type of information. For instance, on many forums, you only see people complain about products; the other 50-98 % of people might be perfectly happy, but they have few reasons to be on the forum. If I buy this projector (and assuming it doesn't develop problems), I'll not be here again until I decide to upgrade.

Take the time to find the old threads. The problems with this projector went well beyond the usual complaints. AVS stopped selling it because of all the issues.

Still, no risk, no reward. Great price but there is no way to know if it is more trouble than it is worth.

People may choose to buy it, but they should not kid themelves into thinking that the problems have been overstated: they have not.
post #37 of 659
Of the people that have recently purchased this PJ, especially from TigerDirect, what was your build date and do you kjnow if you got a new one or refurb'd one?
post #38 of 659
Mine should be delivered on Wednesday. I'll try to post it's build date shortly thereafter - hosting a dinner party that night. Here's hoping for UPS to beat their estimate .

Everyone is right that you should do due dilligence before purchasing this projector. It has a huge upside so I'm rolling the dice. This is my stopgap before going to a 1080 projector. I figure Samsung has to make it work for 2 years anyway - which appears to have been a challenge at that. For me a bad scenario would be to have to replace the lamp prematurely - then the deal isn't so good. I'll definitely put it throught it's paces while the 90 day lamp warranty is in effect. It seems like some people who had the bad issues were eventually fixed, still many others went through multiple projectors that never could run reliably and who could blame them for giving up and getting a refund - they invested a lot more $$ than this. Through the reading I haven't gotten the warm fuzzy that Samsung definitely knows how to fix the startup issue, but thats hard to imagine. A repeated failure like that on so many units should be easy to isolate and prevent.

I'm replacing an Infocus 4805 which has been a wonderful unit. I've been questioning why I want to upgrade from the 4805 every time I fire it up - the picture is still awesome to me. A friend bought a HC1000U and we watched it in my theater room. I only saw improvement in resolution, but it wasn't adjusted that night with anything other than THX Optomizer. Still the resolution blew me away. "Dancing with the Stars" was the only HD I could pull in that night and noticed that the dancing girls had glitter all over them - hahaha - never really noticed that before so I attributed it to the better resolution. Had the upgrade bug ever since.....

I paid $600 MORE for my 4805 than I did for this Samsung. Amazing price.
post #39 of 659
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Take the time to find the old threads. The problems with this projector went well beyond the usual complaints. AVS stopped selling it because of all the issues.

Still, no risk, no reward. Great price but there is no way to know if it is more trouble than it is worth.

People may choose to buy it, but they should not kid themelves into thinking that the problems have been overstated: they have not.

Actually, I followed the threads the entire time. You're right about not knowing, but the picture is supposedly phenomenal.
post #40 of 659
My build date is Sept. 2006. I dont believe its refurbished as its not indicated on the website I ordered it from and it comes with full 2 yr warranty. Put on 25 hours with no problems however last time i shut it down it did make a funny sound. Hopefully it was just my imagination.
post #41 of 659
I would also like to add I have the Infocus 4805, Optoma DV10 and Panasonic ae-900 and the samsung blows them all out of the water. I especially like playing xbox 360 on the samsung since the picture is so sharp compared to the panny which always had a blurry look no matter how hard I tried to focus it. If the projector holds up Ill be very happy as your not going to find a better projector at the price its being offered.
post #42 of 659
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Take the time to find the old threads. The problems with this projector went well beyond the usual complaints. AVS stopped selling it because of all the issues.

Still, no risk, no reward. Great price but there is no way to know if it is more trouble than it is worth.

People may choose to buy it, but they should not kid themelves into thinking that the problems have been overstated: they have not.

Actually I hope your wrong but I guess I'll find out the hard way. I ordered two samsungs and will keep everyone updated on how they are running. Hopefully I'll be one of the few who posts they have not had any problems. I plan on swapping the two projectors out at 50 hours of use so that they both get plenty of workout and if a problem does develop it does over the course of the two year warranty. I also noticed there is an authorized samsung repair center not far from where I live so hopefully I can just drop it off if I have a problem and wont have to worry about mailing it in.
post #43 of 659
Can any body please tell me the range of lens shift. If I ceiling mount it how low can I put the screen. Can I get it around 35% like the optoma HD70 I searched every where and cannot seem to get this info. This projector is also on sale at buydotcom for same price wondering if they are more reliable than tigerdirect.
Thanks
post #44 of 659
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Originally Posted by shiv View Post

Can any body please tell me the range of lens shift. If I ceiling mount it how low can I put the screen. Can I get it around 35% like the optoma HD70 I searched every where and cannot seem to get this info. This projector is also on sale at buydotcom for same price wondering if they are more reliable than tigerdirect.
Thanks

Shiv,

The samsung has vertical lens shift and I dont think the optoma has lens shift so in terms of placement it should be more flexable than the Optoma. Ive ordered from both tigerdirect and buydotcom without any problems. Tiger direct has been reliable for me in the past so im not sure what your concern is. I do know tiger direct will not take a return on the samsung and you have to go through the manufacturer. Im not sure about buydot coms policy.
post #45 of 659
Anyone who has ordered one recently at this good price can you post the manufacturer date of the projector you received and if you have had any problems with the projector. Thanks!!
post #46 of 659
The Samsung only has ~5-10% offset. If I remember correctly its ideal position would be dead center of the screen's height and the offset will bring it to ~ +/- 55%.

Hope this helps

Bob
post #47 of 659
I'm waiting on Brown right now and hoped the 710 would have gotten here this morning, but I'll post the build date when it arrives. My buddy Adam had one of these briefly but returned it because it made a slight buzzing noise when cold. He opted for the BenQ 8720 instead of a replacement 710. I saw both and while the 8720 does have blacker blacks and is a fine PJ, to me; the 710 had better shadow detail. I was really quite mesmerized by the Sammy. Sharpness, depth, vivid yet accurate colors, you name it I thought it looked great.

I've re-reviewed Home Theater Magazine's article on the 700 from May 2005 and at that time they gave it a performance rating of 96 and stated the MSRP as $13,000.

Sound and Vision Magazine, (David Katzmaier) did a comparison with several other budget projectors in May 2006 and picked the 710 as producing the best picture. By this time the price was down to $3500. In the October 2006 issue, Sound and Vision put the 710 in their list of The best gear to buy right now. and quoted an MSRP of $4000.

In my case, the 710 will be replacing a nearly three year old Panny 700 on its second lamp with just over 3000 total hours. It's been a great PJ and still looks pretty good. There are some color uniformity issues starting to appear. I assume the polarizers are showing their age but it's not really noticeable except on white test patterns or scenes that are mostly white like snow or a light grey sky. There is some vertical banding but again it is very scene dependent.

My screen is a 118 Carada Criterion BW. Which I think is a great screen and a great value and according to what I've read should be similar in performance to the Studio Tech 130. The new Chief RPA-106 mounting plate is on order and is scheduled to arrive Thursday. I'm not sure but I may have to move the mount forward just a bit as the panny has a longer throw, we'll see.

All in all in terms of value, the current deal on this PJ is the best I've ever seen if, and it's a big if, Samsung has the start up issue solved. I made this purchase with my eyes wide open, and even if it does die an early death, at this price it won't be the end of the world.

Hurry up UPS.
post #48 of 659
Sounds like a good unit when it is problem free. I guess when you factor in the 2y warranty at the price they are offering them it is not a bad deal, but I would keep your current projector as a back up if you do have issues.

Tempted....
post #49 of 659
This is indeed tempting but 2800:1 and only 700 ANSI lumens would be a deal breaker for me even if it did not had a history of problems. I don't think it would be bright enough for sports viewing especially when the bulbs dim, so that is worth considering if it would be for movies and sports. The specs reminds me of the Infocus 4805 which was an excellent 480p PJ.
post #50 of 659
When you consider, the new price pricepoint is much more in line with what it should be. Low lumen, average contrast and only 720p. But if you have a room with a low ceiling, the vertical lens-shift is unheard of at this price in the DLP arena.

Buy now or wait another one to two years to get a 1080p LCD or DLP at sub $2k prices.

Tempted but no thanks.
post #51 of 659
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Originally Posted by CraigW View Post

When you consider, the new price pricepoint is much more in line with what it should be. Low lumen, average contrast and only 720p. .... Tempted but no thanks.

You sound like a fan of the old Stereo Review - focus only on the specs, qualitative performance be damned.

Have you read any of the reviews? Setting aside the not-unimportant issue of reliability, this Samsung had about as strong of reviews as you are likely to find for any projector shy of $15-20k or more. The reason: overall image quality, which doesn't show up on anyone's spec sheet. Anyways, if all you're doing is comparing the manufacturers' specifications, you ought to know that more often than not, you're making a meaningless comparison, since lumens and contrast specs are so subjective and so far from uniform from one manufacturer to another.
post #52 of 659
So far its all good.

The 710 arrived at about 3PM. The build date is Sept. 2006. It appears to be a brand new not refurb unit. The picture looks great, big difference over the Panny 700.

Here's keeping my fingers crossed regarding reliability.
post #53 of 659
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Originally Posted by lousygolfer View Post

You sound like a fan of the old Stereo Review - focus only on the specs, qualitative performance be damned.

Have you read any of the reviews? Setting aside the not-unimportant issue of reliability, this Samsung had about as strong of reviews as you are likely to find for any projector shy of $15-20k or more. The reason: overall image quality, which doesn't show up on anyone's spec sheet. Anyways, if all you're doing is comparing the manufacturers' specifications, you ought to know that more often than not, you're making a meaningless comparison, since lumens and contrast specs are so subjective and so far from uniform from one manufacturer to another.

Well said, I dunno how everyone is always so spec focused.
I saw this pj 2 years ago at the HT show in ny, demoed by Mr Kane himself. The color temp is not the only unique element of this pj. I He went to great lengths to explain the methods he used to reduce the noise and other digital artifacts from this projector, wish I can remember it better. But anyway, this was clearly the best pj at the show, even though it was only shown on a smallish 106 in display.

Man im so tempted by this thing.
post #54 of 659
It is worth noting that reviews are also subjective and the time reviews were done and relative to what environment it is done in. A greatly reviewed PJ 3 years ago may be considered a fair PJ today relative to what it is being compared to. All things need to be taken into consideration, not just specs or reviews, both both and most importantly, the end user's viewing environment.
post #55 of 659
How does this projector compare to the Optoma H79? I enjoy h79 picture quality and am looking for a spare projector.


thanks
post #56 of 659
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Originally Posted by lousygolfer View Post

You sound like a fan of the old Stereo Review - focus only on the specs, qualitative performance be damned.

Have you read any of the reviews? Setting aside the not-unimportant issue of reliability, this Samsung had about as strong of reviews as you are likely to find for any projector shy of $15-20k or more. The reason: overall image quality, which doesn't show up on anyone's spec sheet. Anyways, if all you're doing is comparing the manufacturers' specifications, you ought to know that more often than not, you're making a meaningless comparison, since lumens and contrast specs are so subjective and so far from uniform from one manufacturer to another.


Look specs sell things and to the average user the resolution, lumens and CR are nothing to write home about. I agree that specs are not all, but it looks like they can't move the unit anymore unless they significantly reduce price.

If it was still a $3-4k machine I would not buy it over say a BenQ W9000. Also if it did not have so many issues documented (an usually large amount for a high priced item) I might have jumped, but the cost is not worth it for me.

The arrival of 1080p has hit these former highend 720 units like a torpedo.

I did say that I might be interested in the unit as a stopgap piece until more affordable 1080p units are in my price range, but I still think I am better off saving my money until 1080p hits my threshold of pain in the FP market.
post #57 of 659
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Originally Posted by lousygolfer View Post

You sound like a fan of the old Stereo Review - focus only on the specs, qualitative performance be damned.

Have you read any of the reviews? Setting aside the not-unimportant issue of reliability, this Samsung had about as strong of reviews as you are likely to find for any projector shy of $15-20k or more. The reason: overall image quality, which doesn't show up on anyone's spec sheet. Anyways, if all you're doing is comparing the manufacturers' specifications, you ought to know that more often than not, you're making a meaningless comparison, since lumens and contrast specs are so subjective and so far from uniform from one manufacturer to another.

It's had the best reviews of any projector -- save perhaps the JVC RS 1 and has much better greyscale tracking. And I mean any projector.
post #58 of 659
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Originally Posted by tradewinds View Post

It is worth noting that reviews are also subjective and the time reviews were done and relative to what environment it is done in. A greatly reviewed PJ 3 years ago may be considered a fair PJ today relative to what it is being compared to. All things need to be taken into consideration, not just specs or reviews, both both and most importantly, the end user's viewing environment.


Exactly this PJ was state of the art at its release, but time is not kind in the fast paced ever changing technology world.
post #59 of 659
I'm very keen on this machine, but don't really have $900 to pi$$ away. So I call Samsung to find out about warranty, resellers and maybe whether they know if they've fixed this problem.

My story, as close to 100% accurate as I can get it, so help me God:

The menu has no option for 'projectors', even after I cycle through it three times (hey, maybe it'll show up suddenly!). So I try one that says "home theater". The guy takes my phone number and name, then says this is a DVD area and he has no clue about PJs. So I ask him to transfer and they lose my call.

I begin to chew the nail on my ring finger.

Second attempt: I pick "Projection TVs". The 12-year old who answers takes my phone number and name, but has no clue about projectors and says this is a tv area. I asked him where is the projectors area. He puts me on hold briefly and comes back and says "right here, we support those but I didn't know that".

My teeth start to grind.

So I tell him I want to know if TD is an authorized retailer. He says "Tiger Direct? Uhhh, sure. If they'll sell you one, they're fine. We don't really have any authorzed retailers."

My bowels begin to constrict.

So I ask him what the warranty is, he said one year for A stock, 90 days for R stock. I told him I thought it was 2 years, having read that info in some places (like here and on TD's site, which seems to be, um, corrected). He says, "ok, it's two years then". He then says he has received ZERO training for projectors so he probably can't help me.

By now my hair is falling off in clumps and the knuckles of the hand holding the phone are beyond white.

I ask for a manager. He says, "let me see". He comes back in 20 seconds and says there's no one here to escalate my questions to, but hey, it's covered for two years so don't worry. So I ask him, now you say two years, are you sure? He says, very confidently, "yup!".

I hang up and head for the liquor cabinet.
post #60 of 659
man, that is so funny. Thanks for enlightening the mood around here ;-)
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