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Marantz VP-15S1 1080P DLP 10000:1 Contrast, 30db Fan Noise, Coming September-

post #1 of 79
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Thought this deserved its own thread.

http://www.digitalvd.de/nachrichten/5953.html

Looking good. The VP-15S1 has a higher contrast ration than the VP-11S1, is cheaper, and finally (crossing fingers) has a much lower fan noise at 30db. Though the VP-11S1 was listed on some sites as having a fan noise level of <29db but Greg Rogers measured 50db in its lowest mode so lets hope that it truely is quieter.

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Marantz' (smaller) Full HP DLP projector is located more again in the starting holes: The VP-15S1

Feature:
- Full HD-DLP with 1920x1080-Chip by Texas Instrument (0.95 " like VP-11S1), 1080p (24Hz)
- Excellent video processing GF9351 (like the VP-11S1)
- Large brightness 1000 Ansi Lumen (more than the VP-11S1!)
- Contrast 10.000:1 (Lower Black Level by Zeifach iris, VP-11S1 = 6.500:1)
- New six-segment color wheel (with Frame rate Conversion for extremely small RBE!)
- High-quality objective of Konica Minolta with large vertical Lens Shift (like the VP-11S1)
- 2x HDMI 1.3 and many similar connections
- CI-friendly with RS232
- Volume under 30dB

It will be available for delivery at the end of Septembers for UVP 8,000
post #2 of 79
That would be $11,000 US.
post #3 of 79
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

How much in US dollars is UVP 8000? Not a trick question.


$11,064 (U.S. dollars) at today's rate.

Jim
post #4 of 79
Thread Starter 
Mark around $11000US compared to the $20,000 of the soon to be superseded VP-11S1.
post #5 of 79
Sorry guys. I punched it into the calculator one I read in another thread that its was Euros. We all posted (me edited) simultaneously. Thanks
post #6 of 79
UVP in Germany/Europe includes 19% VAT. 8000.- is unbelievably CHEAP for a state of the art Marantz.

Excluding VAT it is 6723.- , and in electronics (like most anything else) Euro : Dollar is more like 1:1 when it comes to market prices.

$6500.- to $7000.- MSRP in the US is VERY likely considering this European price.

This is a huge surpise coming from Marantz!
post #7 of 79
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6500.- to $7000.- MSRP in the US is VERY likely considering this European price.

This sounds like a pretty nice challenge at that price. Along with the IN82 some nice looking PJs. 8)
post #8 of 79
(Thanks JVC!)
post #9 of 79
Wow, this is great news! Things are finally heating up with the single chip 1080p machines. This can only be good news for all of us...
post #10 of 79
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Originally Posted by Catdaddy67 View Post

(Thanks sony!)

Fixed that for you.
post #11 of 79
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Originally Posted by TheLion View Post

UVP in Germany/Europe includes 19% VAT. 8000.- is unbelievably CHEAP for a state of the art Marantz.

Excluding VAT it is 6723.- , and in electronics (like most anything else) Euro : Dollar is more like 1:1 when it comes to market prices.

$6500.- to $7000.- MSRP in the US is VERY likely considering this European price.

This is a huge surpise coming from Marantz!

It would actually be a surprise if Marantz USA actually implements that sort of price. But a very pleasant suprise
post #12 of 79
so far most often the remains the same: EUR 8000 = $ 8000
like benq, optoma, SIM2, sharp etc.
not always but often.
because the euro = $1.37 and rising vs the European VAT (17-21%)
post #13 of 79
1000 ansi lumen ! I like that

$10/11k is alright. It's marantz. I believe its lens alone is worth the $$. I trust this will have the same quality of the sort of S4.
post #14 of 79
"I believe its lens alone is worth the $$. I trust this will have the same quality of the sort of S4."

My first thought at seeieng the price was that the lens must account for a good part of it.

And doesn't Marantz usually tout the lens mfgr?
post #15 of 79
Cool
post #16 of 79
Thanks for posting this. Made me very excited.
This one might finally be the one to replace my 12S3.
post #17 of 79
Does it have power lens shift and/or power zoom? Is the 1000 ansi lumens at D6500?
post #18 of 79
The fan may be 30 db but what about the colorwheel?


They also need to deliver twice the brightness to compete with the Pearl and RS-1...and three chips
post #19 of 79
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

Does it have power lens shift and/or power zoom? Is the 1000 ansi lumens at D6500?

I don't think it will be 1000 lumens at D65. However, there is a good chance that it will have somewhere in the region of 700 lumens at D65 which is pretty good going.

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The improved color wheels of the 1DLP machines has made it harder to spot rainbows, if that.

An increasing trend that is noticeable is that the specs of these newly announced DLP machines shows an increase in CR by quite some margin across the board in the region of 10,000:1 or more. The implementation of this improvement makes it interesting and the first one to get superb CR which is truly optical [projectiondesign was already claiming 7500:1 true optical contrast on their Action! units] rather than with the help of a dynamic iris will lead the pack.

This one looks good on paper for sure and it should be a good projector when it comes out.
post #20 of 79
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Originally Posted by FrankL View Post

Thanks for posting this. Made me very excited.
This one might finally be the one to replace my 12S3.

Frank that is what I thought to as an S3 owner myself.
post #21 of 79
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Originally Posted by Spizz View Post

Frank that is what I thought to as an S3 owner myself.

Even to a S4 owner like me
post #22 of 79
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Originally Posted by Haroon Malik View Post

An increasing trend that is noticeable is that the specs of these newly announced DLP machines shows an increase in CR by quite some margin across the board in the region of 10,000:1 or more. The implementation of this improvement makes it interesting and the first one to get superb CR which is truly optical [projectiondesign was already claiming 7500:1 true optical contrast on their Action! units] rather than with the help of a dynamic iris will lead the pack.

This one looks good on paper for sure and it should be a good projector when it comes out.

Is that an increase in native CR or using auto iris or lamp modulation ?

Dazzer
post #23 of 79
Dazzer,

it is relying upon a iris in a fixed position, although user adjustable.
The Marantz seems to have the "Sharp design" implemented, i.e two-iris in the path to reach this spec. So i guess we are looking at 200-250 lumens in the high CR mode. I dont know what all the buzz is about on this one...i have to say..
post #24 of 79
I'd have to say that the price is the only thing buzz-worthy here. I agree that the specs aren't anything new and that we'd expect to see sub-300 lumens to come close to the rated CR.
post #25 of 79
My only real concern is with the throw... most DLP units seem to be suited for long throw applications (which I can't support).
post #26 of 79
FWIW I understood it to be the replacement for the VP-12s4
post #27 of 79
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Originally Posted by erandmckay View Post

FWIW I understood it to be the replacement for the VP-12s4

Either way it would be fine by me
post #28 of 79
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Originally Posted by Aero View Post

Dazzer,
two-iris in the path to reach this spec. So i guess we are looking at 200-250 lumens in the high CR mode..

It is more accurate to say a "two-stops" user selectable iris than "two-iris" and, as it is spec'd at 1,000 ansi lumens, should be alot brighter than your guess of 200-250 lumens in the high CR mode.

I think the VP15S1 is more a replacement for the VP11S1 than the VP12S4 which is 720P and in a different category altogether.

Looking at the lens, the 15S1 should be a mid-throw projector.
post #29 of 79
Haw,

Why is two-stops more accurate to say, when that is not what i mean ?
I mean a two-iris mechanism, dual if you like. Atleast that is what i can translate from the german press release. if you have any other info, please, share.
if i am right, i don't care about the 1000 lumens spec. If you are right about a ordinary two-stops unit, then ok it might be a it brigther than my predictions.

I haven't tried the z20k, but one thing i like about marantz is their common color wheel speed design, meaning that they use 180hz even at 24hz input (converted to 48) which means that the wheel spins faster than ordinary for each frame of data, with a higher sub frame rate. Therfore the RBE is reduced.
post #30 of 79
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Originally Posted by Haw View Post

It is more accurate to say a "two-stops" user selectable iris than "two-iris" and, as it is spec'd at 1,000 ansi lumens, should be alot brighter than your guess of 200-250 lumens in the high CR mode.

He is inferring that it uses a similar system to the Sharp 20k which indeed does have two irises. One between the lamp and DMD and one between the DMD and lens.

I also wouldn't bet on more than 250 lumens in low lamp/high CR mode.

EDIT: I see Aero and I posted at the same time.
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