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post #31 of 692
Oh yeah, about the extra audio channel, last year, on the world cup, they somehow they activated their internal comm channel and it was being heard over the air, instructions, countdowns, comments and even jokes!. Somonw from Juarez called them and we could hear them also "hey we can hear you!, you said this and that a few moments ago", the operator/producer scrambled to get this fixed, they didn't say much from this moment until it was fixed... LOL
post #32 of 692
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This is a report about HD on channel 32-1 in Ciudad Juarez. they're a Repeater of Canal De las Estrellas HD, and they seem to forget to turn on the HD at the right time each weekday.

Monday 8/20/07
They forgot to turn on the HD for "Muchachitas Como Tu" and "La Familia Peluche". The good things is that "La Familia Peluche" is shown in letterbox on the analog upconvert, so in order to fill the screen all someone has to do is put the zoom 1 aspect ratio. They turned on the digital feed from Mexico city, 1 or 2 minutes after "Juan Querendon" started, and turned it off at 8:30 PM. They left a frozen picture on 32-1 for at least 5 minutes. I had to watch the intro for "Destilando Amor" because I like the song, on channel 32-2, I guess now we know why they added this channel.

Tuesday 8/21/07
They turned on the HD at 6:24 PM, and then turned it off because they were showing commercials, and then they turned it on at 6:27 PM when the commercials ended. The weird thing is that when they turned it on the first time, it stayed on for about 5 seconds, turned off for about another 5 seconds, then turned on again. So, this makes me think they're switch might be malfunctioning. They turned it off at 8:30 PM and left it off for at least 7 minutes.

Wednesday 8/22/07
They turned it on at 6:19 PM there was weird flash like the day before, and then it stayed on until 8:30 PM. I turned on the second audio channel a minute or so before they turned on the HD, and heard someone yell "La Novela" which in English means "the Soap Opera", and then they turned on the HD. LOL The good thing is that when they turned off the feed at 8:30 they turned on the analog Stretch-O-Vision Right away.

Thursday 8/23/07
On this day the HD came on at about 6:44 PM. Once again there was the weird flash, and they turned it off a couple minutes, after 7. I don't really know the exact time, because I don't watch the show that is on at 7. They left A frozen Image again until "Juan Qerendon" started and then, they turned on the analog Stretch-O-Vision, I think someone at the station watches this Novela.

Friday 8/24/07
No HD or digital feed from Mexico City on this day. Hopefully if Their digital equipment that turns on the HD is Malfunctioning, they fixed it on this day.

I E-mailed televisa, and left comments on 2 of their websites Esmas.com, and televisanetworks.tv, about this everyday. I'd call the station, But I live in El Paso and would have to pay long distance charges. Another thing that ticks me off about this station is that they show Stretch-O-Vision when They're not showing HD, and it makes people look like Fat Midgets.
This situation really worries me because the New soap written by Carla Estrada "Pasión" is starting on September 17 at 8:30 PM, and It was Shot In HD From the Beginning. I've seen her 2 Previous Soaps, "Amor Real"(Real Love), and "Alborada" and they were both extremely good, and they were On the top of the Mexican Ratings. If They Forget to turn on the HD even Once for this Soap, I'm going to Be Super Ticked Off, Especially if they don't show it in the Original Aspect Ratio(Letterboxed) on the Analog Channel and the Analog Stretch-O-Vision like they show "Mujer Casos de La Vida Real". I Might even consider reporting them To COFETEL(Mexican FCC). although I doubt they would do anything, but I have read at they're website that they have done inspections on TV and Radio Station and have fined, some of them. so Hopefully I'm just being pessimistic.

In My E-mails I even gave them suggestions as to how they could Make sure they're Digital channels don't forget to Turn on the HD.

1. They could set an Alarm to ring Whenever There Are HD Shows.
2. They could show A Logo At the beginning of HD Shows, The Way HD Channels in the U.S. Do, ABC, CBS, NBC, and possibly FOX, The CW, And MYnet. I don't remember if Fox has an HD LOGO, and Here in El Paso We Only get The CW and Mynet on Digital subchannels, and Cable.
3. I really debated about including this In E-mails since if the Second audio Channel is on Accidentally like DRLar says, then They might Turn it Off, But I figured what the heck if they turn it off so Be it. In my E-mails, I Didn't tell them That The second audio channels is on, so Hopefully I'll Get an E-mail or A phone call since Esmas.com Requires a Phone number, from them Saying "How Do You Know this". I Even told them that My Phone number is valid, but from EL Paso. Well Anyway On Their Second audio Channel When a Show Starts there is a Message that says "Atencion Provincia este Programa no tiene cambios"(Attention Province this show doesn't have Changes) or "Atencion Provincia este Programa si tiene cambios"(Attention Province this show does have Changes). Anyway I eventually found out that They were referring to the commercials when they said changes, and not HD Like I thought. So I told them that they could send another Message that says "Attencion Canales Digitales Este Programa Esta En Alta Definición"(Attention digital Channels this show is in HD).
post #33 of 692
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Sorry for double posting, but The TV Azteca Channels are Showing an HD Football(soccer) game Right Now. It's Between Mexican Teams Pachuca And Santos, and its almost 30 minutes into the first Quarter.
post #34 of 692
Just post the local channel number, I'll call them!, maybe I could joke around and tell them the aux audio is being heard (their cabin comments).

My bet is that a guy is physically there to flick a switch to turn HD on and OFF, maybe the guy always arrives late, it should be turned on at 6:00PM and left untill 10:00PM when the news ends, for me that's an idiot's way to do it. and saying it out loud in the air it's even more....

They must have the source channel schedule and could be set automatic, like 6:00PM HD programming starts, 6:06:00-6:10:30 commercials (off), 6:10:30 - 6:19:45 (HD ON), etc. They do have everything pre-scheduled, unless some urgent news come, or some live shows.

I could also ask when Mexico's channel 5 will be HD, and if so, the HD shows that they repeat are HD also (Heroes, CSI, etc)
post #35 of 692
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NO HD Monday, Tuesday, or Today. Somethings definitely up. I'm thinking that either the guy who flips the switch is absent, or on vacation, Or If it is a problem with their equipment they're replacing it, or it finally broke completely.

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My bet is that a guy is physically there to flick a switch to turn HD on and OFF, maybe the guy always arrives late, it should be turned on at 6:00PM and left untill 10:00PM when the news ends, for me that's an idiot's way to do it.

Yes it is quite stupid, They should automate it, I'm assuming that's how American HD channels do it, and they have someone there watching the show who knows how to override the schedule in case something happens. from what I've been hearing on the Aux Channel, that the people at the station know what commercial are on which show, So I'm assuming that they also know the exact times when commercials are going to start. Even worse only one guy might know how to turn on the switch, and he might be making sure it stays that way, because that's the reason he got the job in the first place. Although I seriously hope this is just me being extremely pessimistic.
You'd think the fact that TV Azteca is showing so much HD, and Showing complete shows in HD would be an incentive for Televisa to take Issues like this one More seriously. I know If I were the Head of Televisa, Or even just the Juarez repeater I would have at Least talked to the Guy who is responsible for this, If the problem really is human error.
I'd like to know what's happening at Other Canal De las Estrellas HD Channels. are they turning on the HD, at what time Etc. jeff2631, turbomod what's going on in Tijuana, and Monterrey. you don't have to watch the channel all the time, I'd just like to know approximate times these stations turn on the HD If at all. it's possible This could be a problem with the Digital feed Mexico City Sends.
post #36 of 692
I have not seen the red HD logo this week and only saw it early last week for part of "Juan Querendon". It had been turned on later and later each day until it stopped last week.

It was always promptly turned off for "Destilando Amor" and I have not seen any frozen images when it is turned off.
post #37 of 692
I browsed the Televisa channel yesterday several times, all afternoon was stretch-0-vision-rama

I think the analog looked better..
post #38 of 692
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I found an article about Televisa's digital TV Equipment.

This is the link:
http://www.harris.com/view_pressrele...kup&pr_id=1774

In the article it says this,
"Televisa is also outfitted with Harris' eCDi enhanced transmitter network monitoring and control system to enable remote operation of the transmitter from a central location in México City."
So if I'm understanding this right, and these repeaters all have this technology, then the problem could be coming from Mexico City. Hopefully though they have the ability to override this somehow, and get The Televisa digital feed Directly from The satellite.
post #39 of 692
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Originally Posted by cube799 View Post

I found an article about Televisa's digital TV Equipment.

This is the link:
http://www.harris.com/view_pressrele...kup&pr_id=1774

In the article it says this,
"Televisa is also outfitted with Harris' eCDi enhanced transmitter network monitoring and control system to enable remote operation of the transmitter from a central location in México City."
So if I'm understanding this right, and these repeaters all have this technology, then the problem could be coming from Mexico City. Hopefully though they have the ability to override this somehow, and get The Televisa digital feed Directly from The satellite.


Yeah, but only for the four mayor cities, Juarez is not on the list, which makes my suspicions truer, there's a guy that physically does it!
post #40 of 692
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They turned on the digital feed Yesterday.
Yesterday they turned it on at 6:20 PM, but it switched between SD and HD like 4 times in about a minute until it finally stayed on. I'm thinking that their switch has trouble staying on, it turns off by itself. It may also have trouble turning off properly, that could be the Reason for the frozen image when they turn it off. There's also A white lines that moves from the top of the screen to the bottom once when they turn on the digital feed.
Also Another weird thing is that "Muchachitas Como Tu" Started at 5:57 PM and ended at 6:54 PM. I though they were going to pick the winner of a contest, like they did when they gave away a Car, but nothing like that happened. At 6:54 PM the 7 PM show started and ended at about 7:27 PM. They turned off the Digital feed At 8:28 PM, and there was a frozen Image for a while.
post #41 of 692
The HD was never turned on for me yesterday. I did notice the programs starting about five minutes early.

Before last week when they did turn the HD on, it was always after "Muchachitas Como Tu" so I've only seen two minutes of it in HD when I first saw it last month. They never turned it off for commercials or anything, it just stayed on until after Juan.
post #42 of 692
Are there any Mexican TV commercials in HD yet? I have seen none so far...
post #43 of 692
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I'm assuming there are, because I've seen quite a few Letterboxed commercials on on both TV Azteca, and Televisa. Sometimes TV Azteca Shows them in HD, and I have yet to see one on Televisa. Televisa only shows commercials that are supposed to be in HD in letterbox, but all the guy has to do is turn on one of the Zoom modes to get rid of the black bars. I'm sure they have Quite a Few zoom modes since they're at a TV station. From what I've been hearing on the second audio Channel It seems that they guy who does this is given other work to do, while he does this job, so that might be the reason he doesn't turn on the zoom for Letterboxed Commercials.
By the way, does anyone know how to say Zoom in Spanish, because in my E-mail I use the English word and explain what it does in case they don't know what it means. I've told them in my e-mails that they zoom in too much on "muchachitas como tu". They zoom so much that on the SD people's shoulders are cut Off.
On Friday They turned on the HD at 6:08 PM, because there was garbled Audio. So I'm hoping for garbled audio On Monday, when the show starts, to see if they turn on the HD.
post #44 of 692
Responding to a reply posted earlier:

It's true, many U.S. stations have automated "flipping the switch," but many others are still switched manually by the master control operator. "Flipping the switch" simply became another duty of this operator, who also rolls commercials, keeps the logs, monitors the transmitter readings, tunes in satellite feeds, etc. So there is no guy whose sole job is to "flip the switch."

That said, it's possible that somebody's vacation COULD be a factor. If the normal primetime operator is off, that means someone from maintenance or another time slot has to fill in, and they may not be as familiar with the need to "flip the switch" as the operator normally scheduled. In the U.S. this is becoming less of a factor as HD has moved beyond primetime at most networks thanks to The Young and the Restless, GMA, Today, The View, The Tonight Show, etc. I doubt the schedule has reached that point in Mexico yet.

Even if this were automated, there's still a human factor involved. The correct feed still must be programmed into the system in advance, and there are times when this doesn't happen.
post #45 of 692
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I saw that Channel 32-1 was actually showing an HD Football(Soccer, I'm Getting tired of Adding this, When I say Football in this thread From now on, I Mean What Americans call Soccer) Game on Sunday. I don't really know the team Names, but they Mexican and the Abbreviations they used were AME and ATL I caught It during the Second half at about 18:40.
I Knew it was too good to be true, I eventually noticed that the HD feed didn't have any commentators talking while the SD Feed Did have it. Although I'm thinking that this was a Problem that came From Mexico City.

Update:
Today Channel 32-1 turned on the HD Exactly when the 18:00 Soap started. Even the Intro is in HD. The only weird thing is that the Red Logo is gone, It only says HD. I'm think they're redesigning it since the Analog Channel's Logo was redesigned. It's now Red, Transparent, and says 50 años de la Telenovela (50 year of Soap Operas).
Update II:
La Familia P. Luche wasn't in HD just letterboxed. Before they have shown it In HD on the digital feed. they turned the Digital feed off exactly when Juan ended, this seems automated to me. Once Again there was a frozen picture for about 10 minutes then the turned on the analog upconvert.
The logo was gone for all of "muchachitas como tu". When the Peluches started they turned on the new Analog Logo on the Digital feed. So it's confirmed there is a new logo for the Digital Feed.

@ dline:
Interesting Info.
In Mexico TV Azteca has a Morning Show And A Friday Night Show that they show in HD.
Also It's Mexico and their wages are much lower than ours, so they should be able to afford to hire someone to just flip the switch, and Monitor the Digital Channel To see if there's something wrong, like Garbled Audio, Or Loss of the Satellite Signal.
I Know that these stations are relatively new, and problems tend to happen at this stage, but come on someone there probably Knows the 18:00 Novela is in HD, and they can't tell someone to flip the switch when they're on vacation, or If they're Late. Also I could Understand forgetting to flip the switch During the first 5 to 10 minutes of the Show, but it just ticks me off That they forget for About 30 To 45 minutes, and sometimes even more. I mean If this were to happen at an American station Someone Would Be Fired, even If they were Still in the Low Power Stage, Like they are in Mexico.
post #46 of 692
Odd, way lower wages, but the HD equipment cost at least double... LOL

Example, a 42" Panasonic costs around $20,000.00 Pesos (about $1850 US), and just accross the border the same TV, with even more features, goes for $950 US. For us at the border is awesome, some people even smuggle them to Juarez, or pay up the 35% tax, still $1350 vs $1850...

Wages way lower, myself making around $25K US a year for a professional job which pays around $75K in the US..
post #47 of 692
The Red Logo is Back! after being gone for over 3 weeks.
Just noticed it on Juan.

Also on during the commercials even though it is not.
post #48 of 692
LMAO! they are still stretch-o-visioning letterboxed images!, what's their problem? They should have at least zoomed into that one.

The soccer game between Mexico and Brasil was stretched also, I set the rate to 4:3 and looked good though but with the nasty black sidebars. That res is something in between 480 and 720, because in a regular TV you could see less field, maybe say 15%?

And come on! they are selling the stuff! If I was in charge of marketing I would pay a bit extra for an HD commercial.

I also ROFL at stores that sell TVs here in Mexico, they put a regular DVD in all the HDTVs connected via composite RCA video and RCA audio, they look so lame, perhaps they are not encouraging to buy them with those steep prices. If I also was a salesman there, I connect them via HDMI to an HD-DVD or Blue Ray with a movie in HD, to IMPRESS the customers not the other way around. (kind of what several stores do in the US). Customers here think "man, $25,000.00 pesos and it looks like that? I'll pass"
post #49 of 692
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LMAO! they are still stretch-o-visioning letterboxed images!, what's their problem? They should have at least zoomed into that one.

They should at least zoom to get rid of the letterboxing and either get rid of the logo during the commercials or make it Semi-Transparent like the "50 Years Of Novelas" Logo was. Also the Analog Logo is semi-transparent and Digital isn't (sarcasm)What Genius thought of that?(sarcasm ends). The Juarez TV Azteca 25 HD channel used to zoom when a program wasn't in HD like Hechos, The 8:30 Soap, and the music videos Shows that are on Saturday but they don't do it anymore. So I'm assuming the Televisa channel has the same ability.

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The soccer game between Mexico and Brasil was stretched also, I set the rate to 4:3 and looked good though but with the nasty black sidebars. That res is something in between 480 and 720, because in a regular TV you could see less field, maybe say 15%?

Actually the game between Mexico and Brazil was shown on Televisa channel 5 Wednesday at 8 pm or so. We only get that channel in Analog on channel 56. I think you mean the game that was on Sunday on channel of the Stars, were it was pouring buckets and they only played one half. If thats the game you mean, it was stretched, and the weather was huge factor, even TV Azteca could only show at most 5 to 10 minutes of it in HD. So I wouldn't give them such a hard time over it.

Back when my house Had Directv a long time ago, and it rained hard in El Paso we couldn't even get a signal. So I'm assuming that's what happened but the other way around, they couldn't send The HD signal to the Satellite properly, because of the rain and no one got the HD feed at Televisa. Why they couldn't send the HD Signal To another Digital TV Station where it wasn't raining like Tijuana Or Guadalajara, using the internet and a Highly Secure Part of The Televisa Website That only certain employees like the Engineers have Access to, so they can send it to the Satellite beats me. Of course that's assuming they Have That ability and A big enough Internet Connection. At a speed test website It says that a T2 Connection is 6.2 Mbs, which is close to the Maximum speed of My Cable modem, and that a T3 Connection is about 45Mbs about the Speed of Verizon FIOS. I'm assuming an analog TV Station In Mexico would have at least a T2 connection shared between a couple of Important Employees. A Digital TV station should have at least 30Mbs, more that enough to handle the around 20Mbs required to download the entire ATSC signal from the Internet in real time should a situation like what happened with this Game arise.

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And come on! they are selling the stuff! If I was in charge of marketing I would pay a bit extra for an HD commercial.

actually I mentioned something similar about this in My last hate mail to them, and a few days Later all of a sudden, they started showing all of the 6 pm soap In HD everyday and they are still showing it that way, sometimes they forget to turn it on for about 5 to 10 minutes but thats not as bad as 30 or 40 minutes . To make a long story short, I found some Email addresses for 5 people in charge of marketing and sales at the Televisa website and E-mailed them all. At the Televisa website it said do you want to advertise on one of our channels then Email these People. I said something like this ,but in Spanish, toward the end of my E-mail:

"What would your sponsors think if they knew that their HD commercials aren't being shown in HD, on an HD show, that isn't even shown in HD most of the time in the Juarez Market."

I don't remember if I mentioned them possibly charging more for an HD Commercial, but I probably did.

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I also ROFL at stores that sell TVs here in Mexico, they put a regular DVD in all the HDTVs connected via composite RCA video and RCA audio, they look so lame, perhaps they are not encouraging to buy them with those steep prices. If I also was a salesman there, I connect them via HDMI to an HD-DVD or Blue Ray with a movie in HD, to IMPRESS the customers not the other way around. (kind of what several stores do in the US). Customers here think "man, $25,000.00 pesos and it looks like that? I'll pass"

Actually Yesterday I went to COMPUSA And they were doing something worse they were showing MTV2 in Standard Definition, Stretched, and with terrible compression(Cable Companies fault not theirs) on pretty much all their HDTVs. they also had One HDTV showing a demonstration of the difference Between Blu-Ray and a Regular DVD. It had a line that moved from Right to Left that separated the two parts of the picture. On the left it said Blu-Ray and on the right it said DVD. I could barely tell the difference between the Two, Blu-Ray was a little Clearer. On one the TVs I eventually changed The channel from Fox HD which had the Black bars on the side, on a 50 inch DLP to Azteca 24 HD and it was much better looking. Unfortunately that was the Only TV that had an Antenna Hooked up so I went to all the TVs showing MTV 2 and got rid of the Stretching. It looked better, but the Compression was still noticeable Especially on the Bigger TVs. It was lunch time and there was no one at the TV department, so I bought something cheap and told the employ at the Register that They should at least show some HD on their TVs and that I changed the channel on one of them to A Mexican HD Channel. The woman at register asked me why I didn't say anything to someone there and I said there was no one there. She said thank you an said that she would see if she could get it fixed.
If I owned a business Like this in El Paso I would put Azteca 24 HD on some of the TVs, PBS HD on other TVs, and A Blu-ray or HDDVD player on the Rest of the HDTVs. I'm thinking this would be a great way to get People from Juarez to Buy HDTVs at this hypothetical store. They would pass by the TVs showing Azteca 24 HD and say something like:

"Oye Vieja ven paca! Mira que bonito se ve esta Tele, y el Canal esta en Español"(Hey honey come here! Look how pretty this TV looks, and the Channel is in Spanish)

Then A salesman who Speaks Spanish would come and tell them that this channel is available for Free over the Air in Juarez and all they need is an Antenna. That would make it much more likely that this hypothetical store would sell this TV and other TV. Stores in Juarez could also do Something Similar To try to sell their overpriced TVs. The customers might even feel proud to know that a Mexican TV station has HD.

About the price difference I think it has to do with The fact That HDTVs have a much higher demand in The US, and they're no longer considered a Luxury Item. Heck even some of the So Called "Poor People" in this country have them, but In my Opinion that's because wages are Too High in this Country. Lower Demand in Mexico means Stores order fewer HDTVs so they don't get as high a Wholesale Discount as US Stores do. In the US Many consumers are avoiding Analog TVs like the Plague since they're going to be obsolete in 2009. I went to Best Buy Yesterday and they didn't even have Analog TVs only A Few 4:3 Digital TVs. also I think the Shop Owners in Mexico know they can get away with selling them at those prices since they're still considered Luxury Items. That reminds me of something I remember that there used to be An Electronics manufacturer in Juarez. Are they still there? If they are they could lower Prices For HDTVs in Juarez. They could hire more workers and build more TVs for Mexico. Then they could store them in warehouse In Juarez, and sell them to local shops that order TVs from either other parts in Mexico, The US or other Countries.

I really think COFETEL should seriously reconsider the Digital TV plan they have, It's a Joke even for Mexico they're going to be one of the last countries to Completely Cut Off the Analog Signal according to this plan. Back When They Developed it in 2004, they probably didn't consider that the USA would eventually have ATSC Converters which should work in Mexico. They should meet this year or Early next year at the latest and at least Update The DTV Plan. There are 35 DTV stations in Mexico and according to the plan there were only supposed to be 10-15 DTV Stations by this time.

I'm predicting that When the USA cuts off analog in 2009 many Analog TV owners in Mexico's border cities are going to be ticked because they can no longer watch Univision, Telemundo, Telefutura, and other Spanish channels that are broadcast from the US. This will also be bad for US Border cities because it will cause a shortage in these cities. All the shop owners will wonder who is buying so many Converter boxes, and they will eventually realize that they are being bought by people from Mexico, the FCC might even have to get involved. I'm sure many people will also buy them in bulk and get them to Mexico where they will be sold on the Black Market not only on the border but in other places like Mexico City, Guadalajara, Monterrey and other cities that have DTV by 2009. this sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, and If COFETEL doesn't do something the FCC will force them to at least start selling converter Boxes legally.

COFETEL should at least have a meeting to discuss the Converter Boxes. They should give Mexican border cities like Juarez and Tijuana permission to start selling Converter Boxes at least 9 months before the US cuts off Analog, and put a warning on Analog TVs in Spanish, the FCC already has these. They could just modify them to say something like this:

"Esta Televisión solo tiene un decodificador analógico y no va a poder recibir Señales de Televisión Que provienen de los Estados Unidos después de Febrero 17, 2009 por que ellos van a quitar la señal analógica. Si usted vive en una ciudad fronteriza, y ve la programación de Univision, Telefutura Telemundo, O otro canal que viene de los Estados Unidos con una antenna, Ya no lo va a poder ver despues de ese dia, si no compra un aparato que Convierte La Señal Digital a una que se pueda ver en esta Televisión. Si tiene Preguntas hable con un asociado de ventas en esta tienda."
(This TV only has an Analog Tuner and will not be able to receive TV channels that Originate in the US after February 17, 2009 because they are going to cut off The Analog Signal on that Day. If you live in a border city and watch programming from Univision, Telefutura, Telemundo,or another US channel with an antenna, you will no longer be able to watch it after that day if you don't buy a Converter Box that converts the digital signal to one that this TV can display. If you have any questions ask a sales associate at this store.)

A New or Updated DTV plan for Mexico should have deadlines based on Major World Sporting events like The Summer Olympics and the World Cup. I've heard that the US decided to Cut-Off Analog on February 18th, because it's after the Super Bowl. For Example 2 weeks before the 2008 Summer Olympics start, the cities that are currently in phase I should have Digital Replica, and cities that are currently in phase II Should have Digital presence. For 2 weeks before the 2010 World Cup, the cities that are currently in phase II should have Digital Replica, and the cities that are currently in Phase III should have Digital Presence. They should then continue like this until all Mexico has Digital TV stations.

I think COMPUSA had the TVs hooked up via component and set to output at 1080i mode. My sisters in Houston have their HD Cable Box hooked to their 50 Inch HDTV the same way and on Univision the Compression was terrible. They recorded the first part of Juan Querendon on A VCR hooked up to that TV for me and my parents while we were there, and when I saw it on my VCR at home I could barely see the compression.
post #50 of 692
Man, channel of the "stars" it's suckin' big, the grand finale of their flagship "telenovela" was on SD (S-o-V), and the premier of their NEW flagship novela was also in SD, no HD logo present, looking awful, in fact it looks way better in a regular TV..

I swear the guy has officially fallen asleep...
PM me those emails so I can complain...

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post #51 of 692
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Actually I was complaining myself. I actually started writing an E-mail right at five while watching the New Soap "Amor Sin Maquillaje" because they didn't turn on the HD. I was hoping they were going to turn it on at that time to see if it's in HD. I highly doubt that it's in HD since it's only going to be on for 5 five weeks, but I don't know the Guy may have just forgotten to flip the switch. They're loosing the Viewers trust, thats why I won't believe the 5 O-clock soap isn't in HD until I see it with My own Eyes, because they turned on the DIGITAL FEED.

At first I thought that the guy who flips the switch was on vacation for Mexican Independence Day, but then they did Flip the Switch at around 6:05 PM an it stayed on until 8:30 PM when it says Televisa Presenta, then it turned off, and they turned on the analog signal. What ticked me off even more is that the new soap wasn't in Original Aspect Ratio, like the Promos were.

THE WORSE PART IS THAT THEY TOLD THE PRESS THAT THE NEW SOAP IS IN HD, BUT THEY DIDN'T BOTHER TO TELL THE GUY WHO ACTUALLY CONTROLS THE HD HERE IN JUAREZ PASION IS IN HD!!!! They really need to get their priorities straight.

I used google and Found a bunch of websites in Spanish that mention Pasion and Alta Definicion(HD).

I'm furious I'm full of Pasión but not in the way I expected to be after watching the New Soap Pasión.

I'll send them to you by PM, but anyone can find them if the look hard enough at the Televisa.com.mx websites. I'll tell people how to find them if someone else wants to complain, like Jeff or someone who's lurking.

first go to www.televisa.com.mx. then skip the intro and on the right of the website you'll see a list, click on "Empresas Del grupo" when you click that it opens up a new list. After that click on Televisa Licencias and something opens to the left, click on the down arrow until you get to the very end and right there it says contact us and it has four E-mails.
the other e-mail is really easy to find just click on empresas del grupo to close it, and click on where it says Contactanos. also the English version of the Website has a different E-mail so click on where it says English Version skip the intro and on the list to the right click on contact us.

there are also other ways to send a comment. the first one is to go to
http://www.esmas.com/flat/escribenos.html
and click on envia un comentaria or envia un pregunta and pick televisa then either programacion or Otros and it takes you to a comment form.

the other form is found at
http://www.televisanetworks.tv/Sugerencias.asp
post #52 of 692
Complaints sent!

I hope they will respond soon.

So they turned it on yesterday right?

Didn't tune in until the new soap "Pasion" (around 9:00pm)

20-1 all day HD but the Football (american) game is upconvert-zoomed SD image... at least they were carrying a game not aired on local channels, I give them that. But it looks way better on an analog TV that on the SD channel.
post #53 of 692
HD was never turned on yesterday here.
It was on last Thursday and Friday for only Juan.
Guess I'll have to complain.
post #54 of 692
Thread Starter 
There was no HD today for muchachitas como tu, but they eventually turned it on, I noticed when I saw Juan. I think they didn't turn it on at 6 PM, because there were problem with the Satellite Signal signal from about 4 or so to about 5:30 PM. I checked the signal and it didn't move so I'm sure the problem was coming from their end. So I think they may have sent some one to check the satellite and turned on the digital feed when they finished checking. Unfortunately they turned it of at about 8:23 PM, and they still haven't turned it on. I'm thinking the station manager is barely doing something about the complaints from the people who saw the frozen image for a couple of minutes, when the switch was either broken or the guy forgot to turn on the upconverted signal. If that' true a lot of people Who didn't know Pasion was in HD may have demanded that they turn it off at 8:30 and that's why it's not turning on for Pasion.

The frozen image problem is fixed, now when they turn it off the upconverted signal turns on right way. It looks like they may have actually programed this to turn on right after the they turn o the switch.

DrLar are you sure the American Football game was zoomed, because it didn't look zoomed to me when I was channel surfing . Also this game should have been in HD since it's not very popular in Mexico. I figure that's why they show Football Soccer in HD in the US so much, because it's not very popular, so their trying to get more people to watch it.
post #55 of 692
Only Juan had HD today. Then it was turned off after a few seconds of Pasion.

Yesterday


Today


Pasion
post #56 of 692
Weird, I was watching passion, it had the HD logo, but looked stretched, also Juan Querendon looked the same, SOV, where's the REAL HD programming?

They turned off the Pasion HD I think around 8:45 or so, which means 45 mins of SD, but it look the same as the image with the HD logo.

I think Televisa really lost it, if that's the HD signal it sux..
post #57 of 692
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Weird, I was watching passion, it had the HD logo, but looked stretched, also Juan Querendon looked the same, SOV, where's the REAL HD programming?

They turned off the Pasion HD I think around 8:45 or so, which means 45 mins of SD, but it look the same as the image with the HD logo.

I think Televisa really lost it, if that's the HD signal it sux..

That's weird I kind of saw Pasion too, and I didn't see the HD logo. I wasn't really paying much attention since I was also using the computer, so it's quite possible that they may have turned it on for a while and turned it off, because it wasn't in HD, or when the first commercial break started and I changed the channel, but I didn't see it. It's possible that the first part of Pasion wasn't sent in HD to the Repeaters for some reason, or It didn't arrive at all to the Network which could mean that not Even Mexico City is getting Pasion In HD. Maybe they got the Film late and they are in the process of Converting it to HD.

A long time ago when I was in High School, I think I was 15 or 16, My family had Big Ugly Dish and I got a pretty good Idea of how the Broadcast Industry works. I remember that if I put one of the Satellite channels I could see Network TV shows or News Shows 2 times at least. at that time I didn't know what the heck was going on, But now I know that they were sending it more that once on purpose, The first time was for the East coast, and the second time was for the west coast, now I know that this is called a feed. The TV stations Would then take that feed and air it live, or record it so It can be delayed. I also remember seeing Mexican Channels, on Either Morelos 1, or Morelos 2. Thats what the Mexican TV stations do they watch an HD Channel on Morelos 1, Morelos 2, or a new Mexican satellite, I think it's called SatMex 6, and then they air what the network sends. So if the Network screws up and cuts off the feed prematurely there's very little the TV station can do at that time, sure they can call the network and complain but that takes time and by the Time it's fixed some of the show has already aired. In this situation the station Should put something on the screen that says "were having technical difficulties Please stand by" until the problem is fixed. If it's a West coast station they're pretty much screwed they can't air it at a later time that day, they probably have to order a tape from another station, or from the network to air it later in the week. If it's an East Coast Station They can wait for the West coast feed to turn on and record it to be aired at a later time that day or the next day. Either way when they know at what time it will be aired, they put letters that crawl on the screen that say for Example "Grey's Anatomy will be aired in it's entirety at 3 in the morning". This also happens when there's a news broadcast that interrupts regular programming, the News Feeds are on another Satellite Channel on purpose so that the stations can record the network feed and air it later.

This has pretty much been fixed in the Analog world because the Networks have too much credibility to loose, but since they know few people have the ability watch the Digital channels they could care less. Televisa should at least show something on the screen that says "were having technical Difficulties with the HD signal please bear with us, we have contacted Televisa", and if they won't do it voluntarily The Mexican FCC should force them too. The same thing should also be required for the American FCC in the U.S.A. They should force every "So called Digital Chanel" that doesn't have the ability to record an HD show whether it comes from the Network, or from Syndication like with American Stations, to buy Digital recording Equipment, it could even be D-VHS as long as it can record HD at the same Quality level that they broadcast to the public, How can they really call themselves a Digital Channel If they can't even do something as simple as that.

That way they could make money on fines for Every Month that an HD channel doesn't have the ability to record HD, and If it's been a year they can Revoke their license. This kind of legislation could also have a clause that says "If a Digital TV station that is currently broadcasting at an HD Resolution, switches back to an SD or EDTV Resolution to avoid buying HD recording Equipment, they are required to pay a much higher fine than the 'No HD Recording Fee' plus the 'NO HD Recording Fee', and will risk losing their license if they are not back at an HD Resolution in 2 months" after that any new Digital TV Station should be required to have HD within a Year, and HD Recording Ability a short time after that. They could also add something that says "If a show was Originally Recorded in HD and the Station has HD capability they must show it in HD in it's entirety at most two weeks later, or they will be fined, and eventually risk losing their license if this happens again"
It's not like Televisa doesn't have this ability, They have a Huge Archive where they store all their shows, because they sell their Novelas to most of the World even the U.S.A. They could still Show Pasion In HD if they wanted to on all the Channel of the Stars HD channels if they wanted too. Sure they would have to air it some weeks Later and it would be on late at Night but lots of people would still watch it, and some that can record it would record it. They probably don't want too though, since this is probably going to be the first Mexican Novela on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and they'll tell anyone who complians to buy it on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, but I know I'm not going to buy it for at least a Year After it Comes out. Of course If a some years down the Road TV Azteca becomes The # 1 TV Company in Mexico, because they showed HD while Televisa didn't, I'm going to ROTFLMAO.


Of course Both the FCC and COFETEL are too busy Baby Sitting everyones children to care about something like this, plus they make a lot money from fines from Censorship. I'm an adult I could care less what people say on TV, or if their Naked, I've seen both and I'm not affected by It, If someone has children and they don't control what they watch it's not my fault, why should I have to suffer by watching censored television, and also why do we have a V-Chip. Eventually once enough people have V-Chips, they should give it the ability to turn off Censorship All together, using the internet, and once someone updates the V-Chip it should have censorship off on purpose so if people really care about their children they will turn it on. If they don't update it on time, or find someone who know how to update, let's say 3 or 4 Months, and their children watch something they shouldn't, it's no longer the Governments fault, they told them they were going to do this, and they didn't listen. Then the Networks would be forced to insert censorship flags into broadcast. This would require them to have a delay in the program but on the American digital channels there is all ready a delay, and even if they don't have one they could always implement it. Of course this isn't possible now, but hopefully in 5 to 10 years it will be, and they will do it. I know I could get cable to watch this, but this affects cable too, the cable channels sometimes show uncensored material, I know I saw the South Park Movie on Comedy Central at around Midnight and it was uncensored, but I've also seen broadcast TV on Cable and that is censored.

Juan Querendon has always been in SoV since I started watching it, but I think the guy leaves the Digital feed on, because it's primetime and since it looks clearer than the Upconvert. I always set my TV to the 4:3 aspect Ratio in order to get rid of the SoV.

One more thing I just saw a commercial on Hechos, And they were saying that Proyecto 40 Is going HD.
post #58 of 692
Not sure why the red HD logo is only turned on here for Juan.
Turned on 3 min before Juan and turned off 1 min after.
Still SOV the whole time including commercials.
post #59 of 692
Thread Starter 
the HD was turned on yesterday for muchachitas como tu at 6:05 PM it was turned off at 8:23 PM again. I'm think the guy who flips the switch is doing this deliberately to get People from Juarez to not only complain about Pasión, but to complain about Juan being turned off early. He may either know something we don't, or the station manager won't let him leave it on at 8:30 PM. I also think somethings going on, because the Email address opinion@esmas.com.mx is rejecting E-mails. I gotten a message twice that says something like your email was not delivered to opinion@esmas.com.mx because they use a rule in their e-mail program, delivery failed. So, this person is either setting a rule with their email program that is rejecting all E-mails that have Pasión in the subject line, or is rejecting all E-mails that don't come from televisa, or esmas.com.mx. I got this e-mail address from the news stories they put on the Pasión website to try and promote the Soap. right there it says "contactactanos" and it opens outlook when I click on it, it formats the message for you, it puts on email address in the to line, and it puts the email address that is rejecting me in the CC line, it even gives the E-mail a name. The first email address doesn't reject me but opinion@esmas.com.mx does. I watched all of Pasión yesterday and they didn't turn on the HD at all.
post #60 of 692
Today I noticed a new HD 13 logo that used to be HD 25 on
28 (28.1) XHJK-HD 2 hr delay of TV Azteca 25 XHDF-HD
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