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post #2011 of 2323
Well Sylvia only wanted to be her lover and not fall in love with him, but then she started to have feelings and confirmed that Don only wants her for sex and play, too bad and now she's separated from the doctor.

Mmmm Rob did seem young for Joan, but like Joan's mother said, age shouldn't matter..
post #2012 of 2323
I'm beginning to wonder if I am watching the same show as everybody else.

Not the first time Don has acted like this - he was with a prostitute for a while that he had slap him around. Then he wanted Betty to do similarily. He also liked Megan crawling around the floor in her undies.....

Wasn't Sylvia saying she was going to go back to her husband?
post #2013 of 2323
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

A parody is attempting to mock, comment on or make fun of an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satire or ironic imitation.
Thanks I know what a parody is wasn't sure if you misspelled it or if pardoy was something else lol.
post #2014 of 2323
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I'm beginning to wonder if I am watching the same show as everybody else.

Not the first time Don has acted like this - he was with a prostitute for a while that he had slap him around. Then he wanted Betty to do similarily. He also liked Megan crawling around the floor in her undies.....

You don't see the difference between those things and going too far by deliberately humiliating Sylvia? It's play when it's done willingly. It stops being playful and fun when it goes too far and subverts the other person's will. Don went too far.
post #2015 of 2323
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You don't see the difference between those things and going too far by deliberately humiliating Sylvia? It's play when it's done willingly. It stops being playful and fun when it goes too far and subverts the other person's will. Don went too far.

He didn't know he was going to far until she ended it. I don't think Don saw it as deliberately humiliating her. In his messed up mind he thought she was enjoying it -- every part of it.
post #2016 of 2323
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Originally Posted by Will2007 View Post

You don't see the difference between those things and going too far by deliberately humiliating Sylvia? It's play when it's done willingly. It stops being playful and fun when it goes too far and subverts the other person's will. Don went too far.

I don't think Don's behavior is what turned Sylvia off, but the realization that the fantasy world wasn't what she wanted. Time to go back to the husband, and a real life. It was interesting how Don misread her, and really, his feelings for her. Too late he realized that he needed her more than she needed him.
post #2017 of 2323
I usually think in terms of what the writers are trying to convey. I think I got it half right with Don. I had thought that he was more of a chess player than I realized, that he was intentionally manipulating Sylvia to cause her to end it because he realized she was dangerous to him now that her husband was out of the picture. He really listened intently in the elevator.

What i got right was that she ended it, what I got wrong is that being what he wanted smile.gif

What they were showing us I think is that he finally got what he always wanted - absolute control. His greatest desire realized. He's so detached from reality that he thought this could last forever. He reverted to childhood when she ended it. He's doomed.
post #2018 of 2323
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Originally Posted by jandron View Post

I don't think Don's behavior is what turned Sylvia off, but the realization that the fantasy world wasn't what she wanted. Time to go back to the husband, and a real life. It was interesting how Don misread her, and really, his feelings for her. Too late he realized that he needed her more than she needed him.

I don't think he humiliated her, she seem to enjoy herself after he told her not to pick up the phone. wink.gif

I think Don was feeling a loss of power in the office because of the merger and needed someone to control.
post #2019 of 2323
I want his secrets of keeping his hairdo flawless after having sex, not even the strongest modern gel is doing it for me.. LOL
post #2020 of 2323
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I want his secrets of keeping his hairdo flawless after having sex, not even the strongest modern gel is doing it for me.. LOL

+1, LOL biggrin.gif
post #2021 of 2323
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I usually think in terms of what the writers are trying to convey. I think I got it half right with Don. I had thought that he was more of a chess player than I realized, that he was intentionally manipulating Sylvia to cause her to end it because he realized she was dangerous to him now that her husband was out of the picture. He really listened intently in the elevator.

What i got right was that she ended it, what I got wrong is that being what he wanted smile.gif

What they were showing us I think is that he finally got what he always wanted - absolute control. His greatest desire realized. He's so detached from reality that he thought this could last forever. He reverted to childhood when she ended it. He's doomed.

+7, This is what I meant by parody. The show's tone shifted dramatically.

Don Draper (as well as Pete Campbell) is a shadow of himself and being made fun of.

Don can't compete with Ted Chaough and the merger.

So he goes extreme with Sylvia, and still loses.
post #2022 of 2323
LIke so many of you, I thought the creepy interlude between Don and Sylvia in the hotel room gave us a lot of food for thought. Don is a mean and pathologically controlling bastard. At the end of the day, he has little or no respect for women. When Sylvia figured that out and ended the affair she did the only thing she could do to preserve her self respect. I wanted to stand up and cheer when she gave Don the bad news. I agree that Don is doomed. Thinking about all of that brought to mind the question whether, during the show's 6 season run, anybody other than Don's now dead brother ever knew him by his real name, Dick Whitman, before he assumed his Don Draper persona? I don't think so and it reminded me of why it's no wonder Don is such a weird screwed up guy.
post #2023 of 2323
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I don't think he humiliated her, she seem to enjoy herself after he told her not to pick up the phone. wink.gif

I think Don was feeling a loss of power in the office because of the merger and needed someone to control.

+1
post #2024 of 2323
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Thinking about all of that brought to mind the question whether, during the show's 6 season run, anybody other than Don's now dead brother ever knew him by his real name, Dick Whitman, before he assumed his Don Draper persona? I don't think so and it reminded me of why it's no wonder Don is such a weird screwed up guy.

Anna Draper. Their relationship throws a monkey wrench into any thoughts I have - he treated her with sensitivity and respect. Maybe because she was the only one who knew "him."
post #2025 of 2323
Like everyone else, I thought Don was a jerk. But Sylvia had a smile on her face while she played along until she ended it, so she doesn’t get a free pass from me. It was an affair, and once you cross that boundary, then making moral judgments about what is and isn’t acceptable is moot.
post #2026 of 2323
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Anna Draper. Their relationship throws a monkey wrench into any thoughts I have - he treated her with sensitivity and respect. Maybe because she was the only one who knew "him."

Although Anna Draper, the widow of the real Don Draper, did discover the new Don Draper's subterfuge, she didn't make the discovery and meet "Don" until some time after he had donned his Don Draper disguise. Only Don's now dead brother knew him when he was still Dick Whitman. At least, that's my recollection. Of course, over the years several others have discovered that "Don Draper" is really Dick Whitman. Among them are Pete Campbell and Don's ex wife, Betty. It seems to me that his current wife, Megan, may know too but I'm not sure about this.
post #2027 of 2323
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

+7, This is what I meant by parody. The show's tone shifted dramatically.

Don Draper (as well as Pete Campbell) is a shadow of himself and being made fun of.

Don can't compete with Ted Chaough and the merger.

So he goes extreme with Sylvia, and still loses.

I don't think the show's tone drifted dratically. No more than any other of Don's ups and downs.

Don's world has ALWAYS been crumbling.

BTW, I can't believe nobody said something about this already....

Did you guys notice how when Don went back to the apartment after the breakup with Sylvia and Megan poured him a drink, Megan's hoofiying sponge-monkey baby teeth that never grew up took over and it was all all Don could focus on -- even drowning out whatever Megan was talking about...???

wink.gif
post #2028 of 2323
I don't think he was focused on her teeth, he tuned her out because of what happened with Sylvia.
post #2029 of 2323
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I don't think he was focused on her teeth, he tuned her out because of what happened with Sylvia.

I was kidding.

I don't think it was because of what happened with Sylvia.

I think it was because Don now realizes he feels nothing positive at all for Megan anymore. He thought he might go back and get comfortable with her again -- but there is nothing there.
post #2030 of 2323
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Although Anna Draper, the widow of the real Don Draper, did discover the new Don Draper's subterfuge, she didn't make the discovery and meet "Don" until some time after he had donned his Don Draper disguise. Only Don's now dead brother knew him when he was still Dick Whitman. At least, that's my recollection. Of course, over the years several others have discovered that "Don Draper" is really Dick Whitman. Among them are Pete Campbell and Don's ex wife, Betty. It seems to me that his current wife, Megan, may know too but I'm not sure about this.

Ah, I see now what you meant. The others treat him as Don, who used to be someone else, while Anna "knew" him as that someone else though, so she's different than, say Pete. Although, pretty much everyone is different than Pete anymore! biggrin.gif
post #2031 of 2323
I think Pete has always been a shadow of himself.
post #2032 of 2323
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Although Anna Draper, the widow of the real Don Draper, did discover the new Don Draper's subterfuge, she didn't make the discovery and meet "Don" until some time after he had donned his Don Draper disguise. Only Don's now dead brother knew him when he was still Dick Whitman. At least, that's my recollection. Of course, over the years several others have discovered that "Don Draper" is really Dick Whitman. Among them are Pete Campbell and Don's ex wife, Betty. It seems to me that his current wife, Megan, may know too but I'm not sure about this.

Megan definitely knows. She and Don have discussed it openly in their apartment on screen. Bert Cooper knows too, but he doesn't care. He said so when Pete took the box of photos of Dick and his brother to Bert and tried to out Don as an imposter and army deserter. Bert shrugged it off, figuratively and literally.

The woman industrial psychologist Don dated briefly knows too. She and Don discussed it when he confided in her.
post #2033 of 2323
Don now realizes he feels nothing positive at all for Megan anymore. He thought he might go back and get comfortable with her again -- but there is nothing there.

I think something is there... she is a good girl. He wants a bad girl too. The scrubbing-the-carpet scene last year showed Megan doesn't like being verbally abused, though the makeup sex seemed pretty good. Sylvia liked the S&M interlude. At least for a little while.
post #2034 of 2323
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It happened at the VERY end of the episode. I am expecting more about it next week.

Among other things, we've heard Peggy say twice she's a Bobby Kennedy fan.
post #2035 of 2323
Does anyone feel this season has been disappointing? (I'm only up to the MLK episode)

Maybe I've just forgotten how uneven past seasons were.

The exchange between Pete and Stan was the most false-feeling Mad Men scene I can remember. Just. Wrong.

The JFK episode was so much better.

I think MM writers just don't handle race well. The Wire this show is not.
post #2036 of 2323
I think this season has been very strong up to this point.
post #2037 of 2323
Weakest season yet. I don't know if they changed writers or producers or what, but it has lost its cachet.
post #2038 of 2323
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Weakest season yet. I don't know if they changed writers or producers or what, but it has lost its cachet.

I've liked this season more than any other since the first one.
post #2039 of 2323
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I've liked this season more than any other since the first one.

I feel the same way. The episodes seem to be delving more deeply into the characters instead of just concentrating on the story lines. This is true of Don, Peggy, Roger and Joan. The writing has been great.

And there has been very little of Betty except for that 1 episode.
post #2040 of 2323
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Originally Posted by RickD1225 View Post

Weakest season yet. I don't know if they changed writers or producers or what, but it has lost its cachet.

Totally disagree, this season has been just as great as all the others. Even better since they're not focusing much on Betty and the kids (IMO).

Will be sorry to see it go next year no matter how it ends.
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