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post #2191 of 2342
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

That explains it. I’ve always felt he was weak and couldn’t figure out why he was cast. I find him stiff, awkward, and almost incapable of delivering his lines without being robotic. When Glen lived in the neighborhood, I would cringe when he had scenes with Sally. He isn’t acting; he is trying to act. Terrible, just terrible..

Pretty much the same way I've always felt about Sally, and I still don't think she's all that great. Not to mention that her character is worse than Betty. I don't care for any of the child actors on the show and the less time they have stuff involving them the better, IMO.
post #2192 of 2342
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Don is becoming a major miserable hypocrite....

"becoming" ???

WTH??

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Edited by blitzen102 - 6/19/13 at 8:16am
post #2193 of 2342
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

A friend of mine who has viewed this show from the beginning like I have, stopped watching and recording a few episodes ago. He says he watches TV to be entertained and this season, while well written and well acted, is far from "happy" entertainment. I'm starting to agree with him, but it's too late for me to consider stopping now.

I have never considered Mad Men "happy" entertainment - from even the first episode.

I can still be very entertained if something is something other than "happy".
post #2194 of 2342
Lulz "happy show"... cue the intro of this show where someone (always figured Don in my mind) is falling to their death.

In other news... People keep asking me if this show (and BB) is good. It's baffling especially when most of the time it's people that watch those stupid award shows. Win those awards were kinda a big reason no... ? O.o
post #2195 of 2342
I agree MM is not always a happy-clappy show where good triumphs over evil, but I do find some good laughs in most episodes.
post #2196 of 2342
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I agree MM is not always a happy-clappy show where good triumphs over evil, but I do find some good laughs in most episodes.

I agree that there are laughs in episodes that I find highly entertaining.

But the overall tone is not happy-clappy. It is rather dark and troubling (looking at the main characters).
post #2197 of 2342
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Anyone else screamed "Oh My God they Killed Kenny!"

Absolutely! Very loudly, to my wife's great annoyance.
post #2198 of 2342
I love dark humor so when I laugh I know it's not really supposed to be funny, but it is to me. Case in point I think A Clockwork Orange is absolutely hilarious, but it sure isn't supposed to be.
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I love dark humor so when I laugh I know it's not really supposed to be funny, but it is to me. Case in point I think A Clockwork Orange is absolutely hilarious, but it sure isn't supposed to be.

No director has ever done black comedy better that Stanley Kubrick. In addition to A Clockwork Orange, consider Sr. Strangelove: "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."smile.gif Who but Kubrick could make us laugh about stories considering a psychopathic killer and nuclear holocaust?
post #2200 of 2342
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Anyone else screamed "Oh My God they Killed Kenny!"

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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

Absolutely! Very loudly, to my wife's great annoyance.

Yes! Me, too..........Isn't that what we were SUPPOSED to do?
post #2201 of 2342
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Yes! Me, too..........Isn't that what we were SUPPOSED to do?

My wording was a little different. When they turned and shot, I said; “Oh, sh*t!”
post #2202 of 2342
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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

Didn't Sally walk in on Roger and Megan's mom? She is either scarred for life or beginning to learn how adults behave. However, this was about her Dad so it has to hurt even more. I thought Don handled it about as well as he could given his state and the circumstances. And, at the time, Sally seemed to buy into it. I feel bad for her given that she dislikes both her parents.

No I dont think she bought it. I think Don knew it too. What he was telling Sally was: you can think your dad is a two timing scuzzball, or you can pretend nothing happened. Please let's pretend nothing happened.

Poor Sally, she's got Freudian issues galore. First, she had to compete with a beautiful but withholding mom for dad's attention, then she had to compete with a younger stepmom with a glamorous job, and now this.
post #2203 of 2342
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Yeah, I couldn't see any way Bob could have misunderstood Pete's expressions of what was clearly genuine revulsion when Bob intimated that Manolo was gay. I realize that Bob may have been judging his encounter with Pete through the rose colored glasses of love (Lust?) but even after discounting for that I still couldn't believe it.

It's very weird that he would choose that moment to make a pass. Also, weren't gay people deeply closeted back then. Seems crazy for a go getter like Bob to risk his career like that. Bob is very empathic, wouldnt he have good gaydar.

Anyone else disappointed that Bob's gay. I mean, people have been wondering what the deal with this guy is, he seems to good to be true, and now, with this revelation the pat conclusion will just be "oh he's gay" which sells his character short.
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No, the conclusion is he's Don Draper 2.0
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No, the conclusion is he's Don Draper 2.0
+1.

No, I'm not disappointed that Bob is gay. I've assumed Bob was gay since the beginning. He was giving off much more of a 'gay friend' vibe with Joan than a guy actually pursuing her. The "he's too good to be true" isn't because he's gay, it's because he is in fact a total fraud just like Don. It makes him more interesting. Plus, I'm hoping that the uneasy Pete/Bob alliance gets torn apart pretty quickly, and Bob stabs Pete in the back at the first opportunity. Anybody that can be another foil for Pete is just more great entertainment.
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+1.

No, I'm not disappointed that Bob is gay. I've assumed Bob was gay since the beginning. He was giving off much more of a 'gay friend' vibe with Joan than a guy actually pursuing her. The "he's too good to be true" isn't because he's gay, it's because he is in fact a total fraud just like Don. It makes him more interesting. Plus, I'm hoping that the uneasy Pete/Bob alliance gets torn apart pretty quickly, and Bob stabs Pete in the back at the first opportunity. Anybody that can be another foil for Pete is just more great entertainment.

Yes you are right. I just had not caught up to Quality of Mercy. Being gay is not his only secret. he's Don^2. He didn't steal an identity, he created one out of thin air.

So now Pete knows two persons' secret. As much of a prick that Pete is (let's not forget he pretty much raped that au pair), I give him credit for not ever using Don's secret against him, and for having enough sense to make Bob work with him instead of doing the obvious thing.

Somehow Glen has grown up into a decent guy, or at least grew out of his creepy hair collecting phase.

Jeez Betty, why not give the girl a drink and invite Glen and let them make out in the back seat while you're at it. But I supposed this is pretty responsible parenting compared to getting caught dropping trou.

The show should be renamed everybody hates Don. He is getting flak from all sides.
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Yes you are right. I just had not caught up to Quality of Mercy. Being gay is not his only secret. he's Don^2. He didn't steal an identity, he created one out of thin air.

So now Pete knows two persons' secret. As much of a prick that Pete is (let's not forget he pretty much raped that au pair), I give him credit for not ever using Don's secret against him, and for having enough sense to make Bob work with him instead of doing the obvious thing.

Somehow Glen has grown up into a decent guy, or at least grew out of his creepy hair collecting phase.

Jeez Betty, why not give the girl a drink and invite Glen and let them make out in the back seat while you're at it. But I supposed this is pretty responsible parenting compared to getting caught dropping trou.

The show should be renamed everybody hates Don. He is getting flak from all sides.
Pete did try to use Don's past against him except Bert Cooper didn't care as long as Don was making him money, and then Don effectively bought him off by putting up Pete's share of the partnership money.Judging from Bob's phone call to his friend, he's just as fed up with Pete as Pete is with him. Should make for an interesting working relationship.
post #2208 of 2342
I think this was one of the most fascinating seasons, though it covers the time I was a senior in high school so I am somewhat prejudiced. I have lost track as to whether Weiner has decided when to call it quits or not, but it seems to me the possibilities of Sally's story alone could keep the show going for quite a few seasons more.
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I think this was one of the most fascinating seasons, though it covers the time I was a senior in high school so I am somewhat prejudiced. I have lost track as to whether Weiner has decided when to call it quits or not, but it seems to me the possibilities of Sally's story alone could keep the show going for quite a few seasons more.

Weiner has stated unequivocally that the next season will be the last. It's not even iffy.
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Weiner has stated unequivocally that the next season will be the last. It's not even iffy.
And as you move forward into the 1970s a publicly traded ad agency wouldn't be as interesting as a private owned one. It gets driven more by stock price than individual management quirks. Same with corporations which were no longer run by the founding families.

Plus showrunners are beginning to learn when they wear out their welcome and it's time to move on.
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Linda Cardellini On 'Mad Men': What Went On Behind The Scenes When Sally Walked In

Linda Cardellini has been the talk of "Mad Men" Season 6.

The "Freaks & Geeks" alumna joined the critically-acclaimed AMC series as Don Draper's (Jon Hamm) mistress and neighbor Sylvia Rosen. In a recent "Mad Men" episode, the s*** hit the fan when Sally (Kiernan Shipka) walked in on the two of them having sex, prompting young Sally to explode at her father.

"Well, the good thing about that is that when Kiernan walks in, what you see on screen isn't actually what she sees on set," Cardellini explained of the shocking "Mad Men" scene during a recent visit to HuffPost Live. "What we were doing while she was reacting to that is not exactly as explicit as it is on screen. So that's the nice thing about acting sometimes is that you don't have to actually experience the things as the characters do."

Shipka recently opened up about the traumatic scene, telling Vulture, "The whole thing about acting in general, whether other actors are there with you or not, is that it's about your imagination. You can draw from real-life experiences, but obviously nothing, unless you're doing some biography, is going to be exact to your life.

"That's what's fun about it. It's not real life. I have a little bit of a wild imagination, so I could imagine anything I wanted to see there even if it wasn't really there," she said with a laugh.

But Sally's reaction to what she saw between Don and Sylvia led her to start drinking, smoking and enjoy watching boys fight over her while staying overnight at Miss Porter's boarding school in the penultimate episode of Season 6. "Sally walking in on her father with this other woman is a very complicated experience," "Mad Men" creator Matt Weiner explained in a behind-the-scenes video from AMC. "Her response is she wants to get as far away from her father as possible."

So what's next for Sally? Shipka sees things get worse. "Next season I sort of see Sally in that downward spiral," the actress told Vulture. "There's not much room for her to go back up. A lot of people thought through seasons past that she'd hit her bottom, but now is truly where she's going to get herself into trouble."
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Originally Posted by Shaded Dogfood View Post

but it seems to me the possibilities of Sally's story alone could keep the show going for quite a few seasons more.

Huh? Aside from the fact that we already know the next season is the last one, Sally is basically only a mildly interesting recurring character at best, and couldn't possibly drive the stories of the central characters of the agency forward in any meaningful way. This isn't a CW show about teen angst.
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

Huh? Aside from the fact that we already know the next season is the last one, Sally is basically only a mildly interesting recurring character at best, and couldn't possibly drive the stories of the central characters of the agency forward in any meaningful way. This isn't a CW show about teen angst.

If this were Lost, we'd flashforward 10 years, when Sally has turned into Betty 2.0.

Noticed how she goaded Glen into a fist fight, embellishing grabby hands into an "attack." Total Betty.
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

If this were Lost, we'd flashforward 10 years, when Sally has turned into Betty 2.0.

Noticed how she goaded Glen into a fist fight, embellishing grabby hands into an "attack." Total Betty.

Precisely. I got a little sick to my stomach when I realized Sally had turned into her mother. That little smile when she realized her ability to manipulate others to anger and vengeance while remaining perfectly innocent herself, was heart breaking.
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

Huh? Aside from the fact that we already know the next season is the last one, Sally is basically only a mildly interesting recurring character at best, and couldn't possibly drive the stories of the central characters of the agency forward in any meaningful way. This isn't a CW show about teen angst.

Wouldn't be a show I'd watch, that's for sure. I think all of the child stories have been a waste of time and are just to further show how dysfunctional Don and Betty are, nothing more or less.
post #2216 of 2342
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I think all of the child stories have been a waste of time and are just to further show how dysfunctional Don and Betty are, nothing more or less.
Yes, that's basically all she's good for. Frankly, I'd prefer to see as much of Sally as we see of Don's sons. Meaning, barely at all. Of course, I feel that way about Betty, too.
post #2217 of 2342
I reassert that I like the Sally stuff, and if they could devote virtually a whole season to Betty's angst then they could have Sally's fate shore up whatever was going on at the agency and be compelling when they did it. Sally as drug-addled hippie child. But if there's only one season left then that possibility won't be able to be adequately explored.

I guess after seven years all manner of contracts would have to be re-negotiated, and lots of the actors are probably eager to be able to move onto other stuff.

So rare it is that a show ever quits while it's at the top of its game.
post #2218 of 2342
Don does not live in a vacuum, and understanding him requires understanding how his choices -- and his conception of how the world works -- affect the people around him. That's what the show is about.

Nowhere does this have more import than with Betty and Sally, particularly Sally. Sally is the viewer, or the viewer's mother or older sibling. Sally's generation inherits the world from Don's, and hey, look around to see why insight into these people and what made them that way is important.
post #2219 of 2342
A fitting end to a great season.....

Don hits rock bottom and finally gets honest- at the wrong times.

Peggy gets her heart broken again.

Looks like Bob Benson is too much for Pete- things look grim.

Seems like the final season is set to be the end of an era / decade and Don's fake persona.

Nice use of "Moon River" at Joan's place.
post #2220 of 2342
Going down? Looks like the opening of the show represents Don's fall from grace.

"Both Sides Now" was a great song for a great season finale. For those who can do without having Don's kids in the show, his final scene with the kids couldn't have been more perfect. You could almost see that Sally may be starting to understand him, just from that brief winsome look.
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