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post #31 of 106
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

warpdrv:

What publication does Kal Rubinson write for?

Stereophile's Music in the Round.......why do you ask?
post #32 of 106
He was to be doing a review of the S6's.... not sure when that is going to happen...

Of anyone reviewing the new Sigs, I would want to read Kal's.

I know he has had the Studio line speakers is his house for one of his system for quite some time, not sure if he still does, but at least I know his review would be honest, and probably have the thought of the older digm's in his head, or even there to do a side by side comparison...
post #33 of 106
hello all

i have a question to the people who have the new S4 v2 - with the natural bird-eye maple finish color:

is it true that the bird-eye maple finish on the V2 is diffrent from the V1?
my friend told me that the finish on the V1 were glossing and the V2 dont have the glossing look.

tnx,
mashina.
post #34 of 106
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Originally Posted by mashina View Post

hello all

i have a question to the people who have the new S4 v2 - with the natural bird-eye maple finish color:

is it true that the bird-eye maple finish on the V2 is diffrent from the V1?
my friend told me that the finish on the V1 were glossing and the V2 dont have the glossing look.

tnx,
mashina.

I believe they are both the same, but to be sure, you better ask your dealer, or better yet, Paradigm themselves.
post #35 of 106
Have a chance listening to both studio 100 v4 and sig s6. Can say the real different in beryllium tweeter......sounds really nice clear open sound..........recommend......planning to get s6 and c3 myself.....but a bit costly
post #36 of 106
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is it true that the bird-eye maple finish on the V2 is diffrent from the V1?
my friend told me that the finish on the V1 were glossing and the V2 dont have the glossing look.

It is true. The V2s no longer have the thick layer of clear coat that made the V1s very glossy. I wonder why they did that (?)
post #37 of 106
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Originally Posted by poti View Post

It is true. The V2s no longer have the thick layer of clear coat that made the V1s very glossy. I wonder why they did that (?)

Interesting. I'd probably prefer the V2s then. I have V1s and they're very glossy which is the last thing you want in a home theater. You want to cut light reflections from around the screen. It can also be distracting for side speakers if you see reflections.

There's a reason why everything (or is supposed to be ) flat black in a movie theater.

I bought Signature v2's a couple of years ago and have yet to wrap them up with velvet like I had with my previous paradigms. Seems sort of shame to wrap them up but it does make a difference. I see reflections from the screen on both my left and right speakers. My black Servo-15 was bad too so I've got a square piece of velvet sitting on top of it normally.

Below are some pictures of the setup (grills are usually on) - wrapping these up would require me to sew up some specially fitted covers of some sort. Still trying to work out the details of this. If anyone's done something similar and would care to share, let me know!





More Pictures

Edit: I think I'll start a separate topic on this (as it's not Paradigm Signature specific) to see what people have done in past to cut light reflection off side/center speakers.

Kal
post #38 of 106
That's an amazing set-up you have, Kal.
post #39 of 106
Kal:

I have the S8's and C5 as well in the same color. Your pictures really do them justice. They sound incredible and they look just as impressive. They really do catch your eye! I know everyone says that the grills need to be on for the best sound, but I leave them off most of the time for casual listening because I think it's a crime to cover up those drivers!

I don't know what type of sub that is. I just received my subs from AV123, but they're still in the box.

Can you tell me what you're using to power your S8's and C5? I'm still in the process of deciding and for now my speakers are being powered by an Onkyo 805 receiver and they still sound great. I've been doing some serious listening/shopping/review reading in order to find out what type of preamp/processor and amps really make these Signatures sing and bring out the very best in them but without breaking the bank.
post #40 of 106
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

I believe they are both the same, but to be sure, you better ask your dealer, or better yet, Paradigm themselves.

well, i asked paradigm and they said that they stop selling the old v1 glossing finish and didnt explain why...
so i asked my dealer for the reason and he got this answer: paradign said that people complained about cracks that appears on this thick layer so they decided to stop market it. its sound very strange to me...but who knows?

bad news for me, i think its amazing finish! now i dont know which finish i`m gonna choose.

the black piano looks like cheap toy and the others are so boring...

thank u all guys.

btw kal:

omg! nice setup u got there, cheers!
post #41 of 106
Thanks guys!

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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

I don't know what type of sub that is. I just received my subs from AV123, but they're still in the box.

Mine's a Paradigm Servo-15 (the older studio line). I had it for years before going with sigs. I couldn't justify replacing it with (or adding) a Signature sub.

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Can you tell me what you're using to power your S8's and C5?

Older Mondial Designs Acurus amps. One that's 200Wx3 (for the fronts) and a 100Wx2 for the ADP surrounds.

You can see them here:



These were bought around 1997-1998 timeframe along with the ACT-3 pre-pro. I'm in the market for something new to go to lossless audio to do the Sig's justice. While the amps are fairly good, they're still not at the same level as the Sigs so I'm thinking of replacing the 3 boxes with the Anthem D2v2 pre-pro and the P5 (5 channel) power amp.

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I've been doing some serious listening/shopping/review reading in order to find out what type of preamp/processor and amps really make these Signatures sing and bring out the very best in them but without breaking the bank.

Anthem's A5 power amp would be a good choice. But it depends on the budget really. I really believe in properly matching stuff so you want to get something reasonably good to power Sigs, and (IMHO) it should be a separate power amp.

Kal
post #42 of 106
Kal:

I agree with you about the Signatures being powered by a separate power amp. I've had the Onkyo 805 for a while definitely before getting these speakers and initially I thought if I got my amp first, I could use the pre-outs from the receiver before I got the Processor. I'm impressed at the sound quality from this receiver through the S8's.

The Anthem P5 sounds ideal and has incredible power for all 5 channels. I can see using 325 watts per channel into the front left, center and right, but I don't know if I can justify using that huge amount of power into an ADP590. I mean, the ADP's are very small speakers and with the movies I've watched lately that have been in DTS or Dolby, etc., I've rarely gotten more than just "effects" like rain, wind, background music, etc. Do I need 325 watts for that?

I'd love to have the option of getting a 3 channel amp or have 3 channels of the P5 at 325 watts and maybe the additional 2 or even 4 remaining channels closer to 150 or half of 325. I honestly don't think the ADP needs more than half of 325 and that would make the P5 much more flexible for home theater (for me anyway).

Now I can see if some people are using the P5 for multi-channel music, this amp would be ideal. At this point, until I'm lead elsewhere, I'll use my Studio ADP's as side surrounds (or switch to the Signature ADP's if I can justify that difference in sound and price) and find a smaller pair of Paradigms direct-firing for the rear surrounds (the Atoms sound like the right size and price, but again, I could go with the Signature S1's if I can justify the sound and price).

Again, I'm totally open to suggestions for amps and surround speakers to bring out the best sound possible for my home theater. Again, I'm definitely more a home theater guy who wants the best possible "home theater" sound as opposed to having an "audiophile approved" music system even though I want good quality music playback.

Thanks!
post #43 of 106
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

The Anthem P5 sounds ideal and has incredible power for all 5 channels. I can see using 325 watts per channel into the front left, center and right, but I don't know if I can justify using that huge amount of power into an ADP590. I mean, the ADP's are very small speakers and with the movies I've watched lately that have been in DTS or Dolby, etc., I've rarely gotten more than just "effects" like rain, wind, background music, etc. Do I need 325 watts for that?

That's a really going point actually and is one of the reasons why I have the setup I have today: A 3-channel 200W/channel amp for the fronts and a 2-channel 100W/channel amp for the rears.

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I'd love to have the option of getting a 3 channel amp or have 3 channels of the P5 at 325 watts and maybe the additional 2 or even 4 remaining channels closer to 150 or half of 325. I honestly don't think the ADP needs more than half of 325 and that would make the P5 much more flexible for home theater (for me anyway).

Agreed again. I'm at 5.1 today but eventually want to go 7.1 and like Anthem products so I'd have to get a P5 (5-ch of 325W each) and a P2 (2-ch 325w each) to match it up properly. I really wish they made a P3 with 325W/ch and then some sort of smaller 4 or 5 channel amp. It seems like complete overkill to use a P2 for rear surrounds. I suppose an Anthem A2 could be used but then I'd be using 2 of the channels of the P5 for the side surrounds.

Something like a P3 as mentioned earilier with a less expensive A5 (or A4 if they wanted to build one) would make a lot of sense to me.

I think it would be a marketing nightmare however and create too much confusion. I can do and appreciate what they've done with the P5. It simplifies everything.

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Again, I'm totally open to suggestions for amps and surround speakers to bring out the best sound possible for my home theater. Again, I'm definitely more a home theater guy who wants the best possible "home theater" sound as opposed to having an "audiophile approved" music system even though I want good quality music playback.

I'm in the same boat. I'm 100% HT (no music) here. I bet I'll eventually end up going Anthem D2v2 with P5 and P2 along with a set of Sig S1 or S2's for the rears. I definitely know it'll sound great but man, my pocketbook won't like me.

Kal
post #44 of 106
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

Again, I'm totally open to suggestions for amps and surround speakers to bring out the best sound possible for my home theater. Again, I'm definitely more a home theater guy who wants the best possible "home theater" sound as opposed to having an "audiophile approved" music system even though I want good quality music playback.

Thanks!

I just picked up a new, old stock, Bel Canto eVo 4 that I originally was going to use to power my 2 rear channels. I have a Simaudio Titan powering my mains, centers and surrounds. My speakers are the S2 and C3 version 2's. An Anthem AVM50/ARC is my pre/pro.

Upon getting the eVo, I was curious on how it would sound on my mains in bridged mode so I tried it out and was totally amazed on the sound quality with the S2's. So, to make a long story short, the Bel Canto is now being used to power my mains and the Titan is now powering the remaining channels. Therefore, SimAudio + Paradigm Sigs = highly recommended. Bel Canto + Sigs = Nirvana.
post #45 of 106
Bluemark:

Is the Bel Canto evo4 similar to the m300 or s300 or m1000 which are current amps from Bel Canto? I think the 300s are 150 watts into 8 ohms and the 1000 is 500 watts into 8 ohms. I read a review on Avrev.com where they used the S300 to power a pair of Signature S8's that they were reviewing and like you, said it was musical "nirvana". AVrev apparently thought 150 watts per channel was sufficient but most dealers tell me that the m1000 is the way to go. I just don't see how one S8 needs 500 watts since it's a relatively efficient speaker.
post #46 of 106
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

Bluemark:

Is the Bel Canto evo4 similar to the m300 or s300 or m1000 which are current amps from Bel Canto? I think the 300s are 150 watts into 8 ohms and the 1000 is 500 watts into 8 ohms. I read a review on Avrev.com where they used the S300 to power a pair of Signature S8's that they were reviewing and like you, said it was musical "nirvana". AVrev apparently thought 150 watts per channel was sufficient but most dealers tell me that the m1000 is the way to go. I just don't see how one S8 needs 500 watts since it's a relatively efficient speaker.

Jimmy:

I believe the new Bel Canto pieces use ICE modules whereas the eVo uses Tripath modules. I couldn't begin to tell you the difference. From what I understand, they both are as close to tube-like sound as one can get. Mine is running in bridged mode so it is 360w x 2 into 8 ohms. I am a believer that more power is better even though it may not be required to drive the speakers. I would expect the new pieces might even sound better than the eVo's as hard as it is for me to believe.
post #47 of 106
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Originally Posted by kal View Post

Interesting. I'd probably prefer the V2s then. I have V1s and they're very glossy which is the last thing you want in a home theater. You want to cut light reflections from around the screen. It can also be distracting for side speakers if you see reflections.

There's a reason why everything (or is supposed to be ) flat black in a movie theater.

I bought Signature v2's a couple of years ago and have yet to wrap them up with velvet like I had with my previous paradigms. Seems sort of shame to wrap them up but it does make a difference. I see reflections from the screen on both my left and right speakers. My black Servo-15 was bad too so I've got a square piece of velvet sitting on top of it normally.

Below are some pictures of the setup (grills are usually on) - wrapping these up would require me to sew up some specially fitted covers of some sort. Still trying to work out the details of this. If anyone's done something similar and would care to share, let me know!





More Pictures

Edit: I think I'll start a separate topic on this (as it's not Paradigm Signature specific) to see what people have done in past to cut light reflection off side/center speakers.

Kal

sonic bliss
post #48 of 106
Sonic bliss indeed. Kal's room is reminiscent of Levesque's. Both have excellent size for a small group of viewers (or one person). I love the color scheme. As beautiful as the Signatures are however, I wonder if the (reduced) gloss of the v2s isn't distracting? I know speakers this beautiful deserve to be seen, but in a home theater I'm not sure if the Studio line isn't a better choice. Too bad Paradigm doesn't offer a flat black or non glossed finish as a Signature choice.
post #49 of 106
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Sonic bliss indeed. Kal's room is reminiscent of Levesque's. Both have excellent size for a small group of viewers (or one person). I love the color scheme.

Thanks guys - though I wouldn't consider myself in the same league as Levesque. His room was built from the ground up as an HT and has the accoustics and treatments for it. Mine's pretty much an 'after the fact' retrofit. I'd love to be able to design something from the ground up but that's not going to happen in this house and I don't intend on moving any time soon. With 2 kids under the age of 6 the time to design/built a dedicated HT would take me 10 years.

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As beautiful as the Signatures are however, I wonder if the (reduced) gloss of the v2s isn't distracting? I know speakers this beautiful deserve to be seen, but in a home theater I'm not sure if the Studio line isn't a better choice. Too bad Paradigm doesn't offer a flat black or non glossed finish as a Signature choice.

It is distracting. Especially after my previous paradigms which had black velvet wraps. Those old speakers were 10+ years old so I just held the velvet in place with tape (didn't care about the speakers). Don't want to do that with these Signatures!

I do have 20' of Protostar Flocked Light Trap Blackout Material (used to line the insides of telescopes) that I bought 6 months ago in a group power buy with in the intent of attaching it to some flexible surface which would then be held against the LCR speakers and sub.



This'll completely kill any reflections. Problem is, I just haven't had the time to do anything about it. A good example of why I should never move. I'd never have an HT again.

Kal
post #50 of 106
Here's a review on the Sig6.v2 if anyone is interested....

http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/...ture_s6_v2.htm
post #51 of 106
Bump for Warp...don't you own the v2's?

Here's your thread!

Jason
post #52 of 106
Ha.... Don't own the .v2's.... got a nice .v1 set of the S4's and C3 in Rosewood, but I'm hoping to see some news about the .v3's at Cedia, if nothing comes up - I'll problably take a shot at the .v2's to replace the Studio 100 system I have...
post #53 of 106
Well in the interests of keeping this thread moving......

Here's a picture of the initial placement of my Sig6 + C3 front soundstage.
I'm using S1's for surrounds and Mission E52's for surround backs.

The room is under construction/fitout and at this stage I'm just getting everything lined up before packing it all away to finish lining the room.


LL
post #54 of 106
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Ha.... Don't own the .v2's.... got a nice .v1 set of the S4's and C3 in Rosewood, but I'm hoping to see some news about the .v3's at Cedia, if nothing comes up - I'll problably take a shot at the .v2's to replace the Studio 100 system I have...

V3's would be fantastic! Is there any reason to expect them soon, or just wishful thinking?
post #55 of 106
Heres a couple of pics from when I was trying the B&W 804 against Paradigm S4v2




Need to get a new TV stand so I can get the C3 and also need some better cable management but Im working on it.
post #56 of 106
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Heres a couple of pics from when I was trying the B&W 804 against Paradigm S4v2




Need to get a new TV stand so I can get the C3 and also need some better cable management but Im working on it.

So, which do you prefer?
post #57 of 106
I prefer the Paradigm. Both are very good but the tweeter in the Paradigm is awesome and I liked the midrange better. It was fuller, better balanced sounding. The bass from the subwoofer crossover 80hz up to the lower midrange was better with the B&W but overall me and my wife liked the Paradigms. The amp and preamp are Rotel.
post #58 of 106
Hi All,

I recently bought a Signature C3 v2 online against my better judgment. After plugging it into my Denon 2809ci I noticed some distortion on very high-end notes. This does not seem to be coming from the beryllium tweeter but rather the mid range below the tweeter. Before I start crying is this normal until they start breaking-in?

Thanks,
Mav777
post #59 of 106
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

If I get the Paradigm Signatures, I'm wanting to go with the S8's. My closest dealer only has the S6. If I audition the S6, will that give me a good idea of what I'm getting with the S8? Thanks

I've had the chance to audition an S8 V2 as recent as 4 weeks ago and it does leave a lasting impression on you. It is a very competitive priced product and arguably the best speaker in its price range. If you can stretch your budget to an S8 then you should prefer it over the S6. Don't form an opinion of the S8 based on what you heard from the S6.

The dynamics and oomph of the S8 is amazing on movies. It is also a transparent speaker with no coloration IMO which is always a good thing. Very nice to hear for music as well but if the source material is not recorded well (especially older tracks on CDs), it will reveal the background noise. That's not necessarily a bad thing IMO as I prefer transparency over veiled sound.

MSRP US $8,000 per pair. It's really good for that price bracket IMO.
post #60 of 106
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After plugging it into my Denon 2809ci I noticed some distortion on very high-end notes.

Have you tried a number of different discs? The odd disc is known to have static, or pop from the center. Transformers (HD-DVD) is one of them. Street Kings (BR) is another.
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