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post #631 of 6369
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HDMI has to be turned Off for you to adjust the LPCM rate. The LPCM rate should always be properly acquired through HDMI, coaxial and optical default to highest audio resolution, and the analog outputs are not effected by this setting.
post #632 of 6369
Thank you everyone for the excellent information you provided in this forum. It is very useful. I posted this in the Denon threads thread but thought I would post it here as well in case anyone is having a similar issue with the 980H.

I just picked up the new Denon AVR-3808ci and have it paired via HDMI to the 980H. I've been having some trouble getting the 3808 to properly decode the DSD signal from the 980H via HDMI. I sent Denon and Oppo emails on this and am still waiting for a response that fixes the problem. Please let me know if you have any thoughts.

I followed all of the instructions from the Oppo to send DSD output (RAW mode, SACD set to DSD, speakers set to Large, subwoofer On, etc.) When I go to the "Information" screen in the onscreen menu and check the "Audio Input Signal" during "Standard" surround playback, the 3808ci recognizes that it is a DSD stream, but only at 88.2 kHz and only a 5.0 feed (i.e., no LFE track). I know that in this mode the Denon will convert DSD to PCM, but should I be losing the LFE track? Even stranger, when I switch to "Direct" and "Pure Direct" playback on the Denon, sampling frequency drops to 44.1 kHz and stays at 5.0 rather than 5.1. In Direct and Pure Direct, the Denon should convert DSD directly to analog, so I'm not sure why I'm not seeing (or hearing) 2.82 mHz rather than an even lower audio resolution.

I checked DVD-A on the Oppo, outputting as PCM, and the 3808ci recognized the 96 kHz and 3/2/1 signal, so that seems to be working properly.

Please let me know if you are having a similar issue or if there is something I should be doing differently to have the 3808 accept and decode the full 2.82 mHz, 5.1 signal from the Oppo.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #633 of 6369
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Originally Posted by jim5pen View Post

if you have 7.1 direct on your receiver why are you only sending 5.1 from the Oppo? Do you only have a 5.1 speaker setup?

Exactly. I have only a 5.1 setup speaker-wise.
post #634 of 6369
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

Just did a "warm test" - player's been on for around three hours in a closed cabinet, tossed in EP4, went to chapter 3, and played passed that time without any incident. The mystery remains...

Thanks for doing a "warm" test gonk! I sent an email to Oppo with the results of my tests last night and also offered to film the scene and email them a 3-5 second video clip so they can see exactly what is happening. As Yoda once said "Dark and disturbing this mystery is..."
post #635 of 6369
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Originally Posted by pfarrell90 View Post

Thank you everyone for the excellent information you provided in this forum. It is very useful. I posted this in the Denon threads thread but thought I would post it here as well in case anyone is having a similar issue with the 980H.

I just picked up the new Denon AVR-3808ci and have it paired via HDMI to the 980H. I've been having some trouble getting the 3808 to properly decode the DSD signal from the 980H via HDMI. I sent Denon and Oppo emails on this and am still waiting for a response that fixes the problem. Please let me know if you have any thoughts.

I followed all of the instructions from the Oppo to send DSD output (RAW mode, SACD set to DSD, speakers set to Large, subwoofer On, etc.) When I go to the "Information" screen in the onscreen menu and check the "Audio Input Signal" during "Standard" surround playback, the 3808ci recognizes that it is a DSD stream, but only at 88.2 kHz and only a 5.0 feed (i.e., no LFE track). I know that in this mode the Denon will convert DSD to PCM, but should I be losing the LFE track? Even stranger, when I switch to "Direct" and "Pure Direct" playback on the Denon, sampling frequency drops to 44.1 kHz and stays at 5.0 rather than 5.1. In Direct and Pure Direct, the Denon should convert DSD directly to analog, so I'm not sure why I'm not seeing (or hearing) 2.82 mHz rather than an even lower audio resolution.

I checked DVD-A on the Oppo, outputting as PCM, and the 3808ci recognized the 96 kHz and 3/2/1 signal, so that seems to be working properly.

Please let me know if you are having a similar issue or if there is something I should be doing differently to have the 3808 accept and decode the full 2.82 mHz, 5.1 signal from the Oppo.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have a Pioneer VSX-94TXH (HDMI 1.3a, DSD) that is working like your Denon, 5.0 not 5.1. I wasn't sure if there was a problem because I was not sure how many channels were on the SACD. I will check more tonight to see how many channels I get when converting the DSD signal to LPCM on the OPPO before sending it to my Pioneer.
post #636 of 6369
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Originally Posted by fr_fr_tx View Post

I have a Pioneer VSX-94TXH (HDMI 1.3a, DSD) that is working like your Denon, 5.0 not 5.1. I wasn't sure if there was a problem because I was not sure how many channels were on the SACD. I will check more tonight to see how many channels I get when converting the DSD signal to LPCM on the OPPO before sending it to my Pioneer.

I beleive it depends on the mix. Some are 5.0, some 5.1, some 2.0.
post #637 of 6369
Thank you both. I tried it with Dark Side of the Moon and Tommy, both of which I believe are mixed as 5.1. I also tried some 3.0 classical SACDs to see if that resolved the 44.1 kHz issue, but it did not. I think the down converting issue may be on Denon's end, but I'm not sure about the LFE issue.
post #638 of 6369
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Originally Posted by pfarrell90 View Post

Thank you both. I tried it with Dark Side of the Moon and Tommy, both of which I believe are mixed as 5.1. I also tried some 3.0 classical SACDs to see if that resolved the 44.1 kHz issue, but it did not. I think the down converting issue may be on Denon's end, but I'm not sure about the LFE issue.

Well my DV980H is not sending an LFE signal over DSD either. When I switch to SACD via PCM, the LFE signal shows up. I have sent an email to Oppo support.
post #639 of 6369
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Originally Posted by pfarrell90 View Post

Thank you both. I tried it with Dark Side of the Moon and Tommy, both of which I believe are mixed as 5.1. I also tried some 3.0 classical SACDs to see if that resolved the 44.1 kHz issue, but it did not. I think the down converting issue may be on Denon's end, but I'm not sure about the LFE issue.

Hmm, i will check mine. I have DSOTM as well. NIN DS should have an LFE track as well. I have the onk 805 which decodes the DSD we shall see.
post #640 of 6369
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Try changing your resolution to 1080i or 1080p.
post #641 of 6369
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Try changing your resolution to 1080i or 1080p.

Thanks for the suggestion, but switching to 1080i and 1080p did not work.
post #642 of 6369
Yes, I also have tried 1080p, 1080i, and 720p. No difference.
post #643 of 6369
dobieck1, while you are checking the LFE issue, can you see if the Onkyo is processing the DSD signal as 2.82 mHz while in "Pure" mode. I believe the Onkyo is the same as my Denon: DSD is converted to PCM in standard playback but is supposed to be converted directly to analog when in "Pure."

Thanks again.
post #644 of 6369
Quick questions. I got mine yesterday, played a single CD-R last night.

When I press the Audio Only button, sometimes it engages, sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes it seems like it takes a while to engage. ?? Also, sometimes I see the LPCM signal lit, and sometimes not, but I can't figure out what's changing. Any ideas? (980H digitally coax out to my pre/pro. Raw data format.)

The display is just a little less legible across the room than my old Pioneer 59AVi. I do like the remote though.

My display (commercial Panasonic plasma) does accept PAL. Someday I'll have to compare to see which way is the best (PAL to NTSC in the player to the display, vs PAL to the display).

One more: any way to turn off the "instant play" thing? (I close the tray, and it immediately starts playing the disc.) Would changing that playback control thing in the setup change that for a CD?
post #645 of 6369
for those who have the 980, is the power connection the same as the 981.. non ICE
post #646 of 6369
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Originally Posted by jdanielsg View Post

for those who have the 980, is the power connection the same as the 981.. non ICE

There's a rear panel picture in my review - power connection on the 980H is a two-prong IEC connector.
post #647 of 6369
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Originally Posted by pfarrell90 View Post

dobieck1, while you are checking the LFE issue, can you see if the Onkyo is processing the DSD signal as 2.82 mHz while in "Pure" mode. I believe the Onkyo is the same as my Denon: DSD is converted to PCM in standard playback but is supposed to be converted directly to analog when in "Pure."

Thanks again.

OK, put in DSOTM and I am getting 5.1 if I set the oppo to DSD or PCM, however, my onkyo only shows 5.0 - 44.1Khz when using DSD, and 5.1 - 88.2khz when using HDMI PCM multi channel.

I know the sub is engaged as I can turn it up and down and hear the difference.

As for Pure Audio, the onkyo just turns off all video processing and takes the signal directly from the source. Not sure what how that works with DSD as it says the same thing in Pure Audio and not Pure Audio.
post #648 of 6369
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Originally Posted by dobieck1 View Post

OK, put in DSOTM and I am getting 5.1 if I set the oppo to DSD or PCM, however, my onkyo only shows 5.0 - 44.1Khz when using DSD, and 5.1 - 88.2khz when using HDMI PCM multi channel.

I know the sub is engaged as I can turn it up and down and hear the difference.

As for Pure Audio, the onkyo just turns off all video processing and takes the signal directly from the source. Not sure what how that works with DSD as it says the same thing in Pure Audio and not Pure Audio.

Thanks, dobieck1. It appears you're seeing the same thing I am. I guess that means it's an issue with the Oppo, not the Denon or Onkyo.
post #649 of 6369
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

When I press the Audio Only button, sometimes it engages, sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes it seems like it takes a while to engage. ??

I've only tried that button with CD's and SACD's, but I've not seen it give any problems in those cases (goes to the "Video off in _ seconds" message right away).
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

Also, sometimes I see the LPCM signal lit, and sometimes not, but I can't figure out what's changing. Any ideas? (980H digitally coax out to my pre/pro. Raw data format.)

Have you got HDMI Audio disabled? If not, it could be reporting the format of the audio output over HDMI. Just a guess, though, as I've generally had HDMI Audio disabled and can't read the LPCM indicator well from my sitting position anyway.
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

One more: any way to turn off the "instant play" thing? (I close the tray, and it immediately starts playing the disc.) Would changing that playback control thing in the setup change that for a CD?

I don't know of anything that'll help you here. Sorry.
post #650 of 6369
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Originally Posted by pfarrell90 View Post

Thanks, dobieck1. It appears you're seeing the same thing I am. I guess that means it's an issue with the Oppo, not the Denon or Onkyo.

Put I am getting sub output via DSD, the onkyo just shows it as 5.0. So that has me stumped. The sub is playing the LFE signal, it just doesn't show it on the receiver.
post #651 of 6369
I haven't got any way to test this in my system, but I can't figure out how it would even be possible for the 980H to do anything to the DSD track like misplacing an LFE channel - once it is set to output DSD, it should be comparable to outputting a Dolby Digital or DTS bitstream, and the player is just acting as a transport without manipulating the signal.
post #652 of 6369
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

There's a rear panel picture in my review - power connection on the 980H is a two-prong IEC connector.

from your pic, that looks like a standard 3 prong IEC connection? Do they have 2 prongs that look like 3, less one prong? I googled IEC connectors and the 2 prong ones look totally diff like the ones at the back of the 981.. C7 or something they call it. so am i missing something?


THANKS
post #653 of 6369
No, it's a standard IEC, but without the third (ground) pin. Technically, I guess it would be a C18 plug rather than a 3-prong C14 plug (per Wikipedia). The C7 is the type of connector used on the 981HD and a lot of other DVD players.
post #654 of 6369
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

No, it's a standard IEC, but without the third (ground) pin. Technically, I guess it would be a C18 plug rather than a 3-prong C14 plug (per Wikipedia). The C7 is the type of connector used on the 981HD and a lot of other DVD players.

so can i put my standard IEC 15amps cables on it?
post #655 of 6369
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Yes.
post #656 of 6369
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Yes.


great thanks, I am getting it soon as soon as they have it at the 2 canadian sites, i calculated and not much point for me to buy from the states.
post #657 of 6369
Gonk- you got one of them. For the audio only feature, I was only looking at the player's display. There *is* a 5s (in my case) lag to when it actually engages and the indicator on the player lights up.

LPCM indicator: yes, HDMI audio output is off. I need to look at this some more. One theory I have is this: For the Pio, when I had it powered up and the display powered up connected with HDMI, when I shut the display off, the audio mutes for a moment, and then comes back. But every now and then, the player would act "wierd", and I'd have to turn it off and then back on. When I was seeing the strange things with the LPCM indicator last night, it was also after having turned the display off when the Oppo was on and connected to it with HDMI.

Will look at video over the next few days. Neat player.
post #658 of 6369
The mystery continues... I tried the "cold/warm" tests last night and, as expected, Ep 4 on the 980 passed the "cold" test and failed the "warm" test. I did film the "warm" test so I do have a clip I can send to Oppo. They replied to my email in which I offered to send them a clip but they did not respond to the offer itself - all they did was ask if this was the only disc I was having the problem on. I replied to that email and again offered to send them the video clip - I haven't heard back yet. Given that this has happened on two different original DVDs of the Ep 4 SE (acquired at two different times), that it only happens when the player is warm and that it does not happen on my Zenith DVB318 or the Sony DVP-NS77H I "procured" to test it on, I'm hard pressed to believe it's a disc issue. Even if both discs have some sort of anomoly in the same exact spot, are Oppo players that sensitive?
post #659 of 6369
This is really odd, especially since it is so repeatable for you and so elusive for others.

I'm going to re-visit my "warm test" tonight using a different technique: I'm going to put in my other copy of the Episode 4 SE disc and set it on an A-B repeat around that specific time (maybe 15 seconds to either side), then let it run all evening. I won't be able to start it until around 8:30 or 9:00, but I may just leave it going all night to see what happens.
post #660 of 6369
Gonk - first, thanks for all you attempts to replicate the problem! I tried to attach the clip here but it is too large (about 6.9 MB zipped for 4 seconds of video) and I haven't had time yet in life to set up my own webpage to host it there. If anyone's interested, just PM me and I'll email it to you.
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