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post #4741 of 4820
Does anyone have any experience with using this WD10EURX drive in Tivo HD (XL)?

http://www.amazon.com/WD-AV-GP-TB-Hard-Drive/dp/B006IMFT32/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There appears to be some sketchy success reports, one even states that the Intellipark is disabled by default, which would make things simple. But there is also one failure reported on tivocommunity.

Anything more definitive?
Edited by oregonalex - 3/6/13 at 5:35pm
post #4742 of 4820
Kudo's to TiVo Inc!

I got interested in the HD (with Lifetime Service) again after seeing a post stating how good its OTA tuner is. (I've searched for that darned post but haven't been able to find it; thought it was at this Forum.)

Anyway the HD tuner was credited with being as good as the S3 and better than the Premiere OTA.

I dug out the old HD and fired it up. It kept rebooting.

I called TiVo Support and spoke with a live agent. Didn't have to wait on hold more than 5 mins.

The rep said to unplug the TiVo from the Surge Protector power strip and plug it directly into the wall socket. I thought 'improbable' but followed the instruction. Surprisingly it worked! (I've since replugged the HD back into a Surge Protector.)

Today I tried to connect a MY Book DVR Expander. The HD didn't see it. After two attempts I swapped to another brand new My Book Expander. Didn't see it. After trying again, I called TiVo Support. Didn't have to wait more than a couple minutes on hold. The rep suggested swapping out the eSata cable. I thought 'a long shot' but followed the instruction.

Voila, it worked! So just because some things are improbable doesn't mean they're impossible.

HD's OTA tuner is better than Premiere's and is arguably very close to or on par with S3's. Say what you will about TiVo; their products work and they stand behind them. If they decide to bring out an OTA Premiere compatible with the Mini, with a tuner as good as the S3's, I'll probably buy the pair!
post #4743 of 4820
In this case, you get what you pay for.
post #4744 of 4820
If anyone wants a gently used Tivo HD XL with original box, the new remote, lifetime service included please IM me. I am thinking of upgrading to the premiere XL. I Will part with the HD XL for 300 including free shipping.
post #4745 of 4820
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Originally Posted by blacksnakeball View Post

If anyone wants a gently used Tivo HD XL with original box, the new remote, lifetime service included please IM me. I am thinking of upgrading to the premiere XL. I Will part with the HD XL for 300 including free shipping.

I highly recommend the Premiere line to you. Exactly one year ago my daughter and her family gave me a Premiere Elite to replace my old Series3. The Elite has proved to be s significant upgrade, including but not limited to 4 tuners and 2GB of disc storage.
post #4746 of 4820
A caveat on the premiere line, in case this matters to you - note that it does not accept antenna input! only cable.

I have no reason to talk you out of premiere, just wanted to make sure you know that, since they seem to bury that in the fine print a bit. I'm still thinking of getting one myself for the 4 tuners, but I'll have to keep my current units to be able to record from antenna - uncompressed signal and no worries about cable going out...
post #4747 of 4820
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Originally Posted by Ron View Post

A caveat on the premiere line, in case this matters to you - note that it does not accept antenna input! only cable.

I have no reason to talk you out of premiere, just wanted to make sure you know that, since they seem to bury that in the fine print a bit. I'm still thinking of getting one myself for the 4 tuners, but I'll have to keep my current units to be able to record from antenna - uncompressed signal and no worries about cable going out...

To clarify, it's the 4-tuner TiVo Premiere models that can receive only digital cable channels, with the use of a cable card. The older 2-tuner Premieres can also receive OTA digital channels from an antenna plus even NTSC (analog) channels. But the new TiVo Mini extender unit works only with the 4-tuner cable-only models, at this time anyway.
post #4748 of 4820
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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

To clarify, it's the 4-tuner TiVo Premiere models that can receive only digital cable channels, with the use of a cable card. The older 2-tuner Premieres can also receive OTA digital channels from an antenna plus even NTSC (analog) channels. But the new TiVo Mini extender unit works only with the 4-tuner cable-only models, at this time anyway.

The Minis do work with an OTA only Premiere, but the Mini does need a P4 to be paired to for it to work with streaming from the OTA Premiere. I use my two Minis to stream content from my OTA only Premiere sometimes. .
Edited by aaronwt - 4/9/13 at 1:31pm
post #4749 of 4820
RU sure? According to Dan203 on page 4 of this thread in TCF you can only stream previously recorded programs but not live programs.
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

To clarify, it's the 4-tuner TiVo Premiere models that can receive only digital cable channels, with the use of a cable card. The older 2-tuner Premieres can also receive OTA digital channels from an antenna plus even NTSC (analog) channels. But the new TiVo Mini extender unit works only with the 4-tuner cable-only models, at this time anyway.

The Minis do work with an OTA only Premiere, but the Mini does need a P4 to be paired to for it to work with streaming from the OTA Premiere. I use my two Minis to stream content from my OTA only Premiere sometimes. .
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Originally Posted by Dan203 
Even with that setup you wouldn't be able to watch live OTA. You can only watch live TV from the 4 tuner host, which you pointed out doesn't do OTA.

I think OTA users are going to have to wait for the next gen hardware.
post #4750 of 4820
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Originally Posted by fallingwater View Post

RU sure? According to Dan203 on page 4 of this thread in TCF you can only stream previously recorded programs but not live programs.

Yes that is correct. The only way to steam a live channel is from the P4 that the Mini is paired to. Any other Premiere TiVo you stream previously recorded(or in the process of recording) programs. With the TiVo tablet or cellphone app. You can initiate a recording on the OTA only Premiere and start watching it on the Mini once the recording has started.. That is as close as you can get to live TV with the Mini and a Premiere it is not paired to.
post #4751 of 4820
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Yes that is correct. The only way to steam a live channel is from the P4 that the Mini is paired to. Any other Premiere TiVo you stream previously recorded(or in the process of recording) programs. With the TiVo tablet or cellphone app. You can initiate a recording on the OTA only Premiere and start watching it on the Mini once the recording has started.. That is as close as you can get to live TV with the Mini and a Premiere it is not paired to.

If all that is desired is to stream previously recorded stuff from a 2 tuner Premier, is the P4 paired to the Mini required at all? In other words... without a 4 tuner Premier, can I use the mini with my 2 tuner premier (but without the live TV capability)?
post #4752 of 4820
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

If all that is desired is to stream previously recorded stuff from a 2 tuner Premier, is the P4 paired to the Mini required at all? In other words... without a 4 tuner Premier, can I use the mini with my 2 tuner premier (but without the live TV capability)?

It needs to be paired to a P4 to be able to use it. You can remove the P4 from the network and the Mini can still stream from the other TiVos, but no one knows how long that will work without the P4 making a connection to TiVo..
post #4753 of 4820
Gwsat, Ron, Aaronwt et al:

Yeah i have FIOS so no problems with digital cable for my new premiere XL4. One question though: how long will it take to move 100 hours of recorded shows from a Tivo HD Xl to the new Premiere xl4? They will both be wired to my network. i know the process is fairly simple but how long do expect this to take?

Also I believe my tivo HD xl has just one cable card currently. Do i simply remove that card and insert in my new premiere xl4 and then call Tivo and VZ to activate or do i need 2 cards to take advantage of the 4 tuners?

Any other pitfalls or advice for moving my shows from tivo hd xl to the premiere xl4? Once i complete the transfer i plan on wiping the old tivo and selling it...
Edited by blacksnakeball - 4/10/13 at 1:42pm
post #4754 of 4820
I did exactly this when I got my Elite (moved about 100 hours of shows from an HD) and it took a couple of days IIRC. It's not a speedy process because you only get about 20-25 mb/s transfer speed out of the HDs. Put the HD in standby mode (or change both tuners to dead channels) when you do it so it'll go a little faster.

You only need 1 cablecard, just move it and re-pair.
post #4755 of 4820
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Originally Posted by blacksnakeball View Post

Any other pitfalls or advice for moving my shows from tivo hd xl to the premiere xl4?
You will not be able to transfer any copy-protected shows.
post #4756 of 4820
thanks for all the advice. I will probably whittle my shows down to 30 hours of recordings I will want to transfer. Believe most of the items i record from Fios are not copy protected but i guess we will see. In any case what is the exact process for adding a new tivo to your setup? I only have one TV and one Tivo (HD XL). It has one Mcard cable card. When the new premiere XL4 comes i want to activate that and swap out the cable card to the new premiere. But I also want to move the shows from HD XL and then wipe it so i can sell. So do i need to keep the acble card in the old tivo (hd xl) before I make the transfers or after? I know i need to activate the new tivo to get it online so i can initiate the show transfers so does that mean i need to move the cable card first? Will that gimp the old tivo (losing its cable card) and thus stop me from making the transfers?

If i sound confused it is because i have been doing my taxes all day
post #4757 of 4820
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Originally Posted by blacksnakeball View Post

thanks for all the advice. I will probably whittle my shows down to 30 hours of recordings I will want to transfer. Believe most of the items i record from Fios are not copy protected but i guess we will see. In any case what is the exact process for adding a new tivo to your setup? I only have one TV and one Tivo (HD XL). It has one Mcard cable card. When the new premiere XL4 comes i want to activate that and swap out the cable card to the new premiere. But I also want to move the shows from HD XL and then wipe it so i can sell. So do i need to keep the acble card in the old tivo (hd xl) before I make the transfers or after? I know i need to activate the new tivo to get it online so i can initiate the show transfers so does that mean i need to move the cable card first? Will that gimp the old tivo (losing its cable card) and thus stop me from making the transfers?

If i sound confused it is because i have been doing my taxes all day

You can make transfers without the cable card. As long as it has an active TiVo subscription and it is on the same network and account as the other TiVo. Any recording I made when I had a cable card in place, I was still able to transfer it with the cable card removed. As long as the program was protected, like from HBO, which can't be transferred anyway.
post #4758 of 4820
Great and thanks for all the info. I am looking forward to setting up my new tivo this monday.

One final question: Coming from Tivo HD XL to the Premiere XL4 will I notice any sluggish performance? I know this was an issue with previous models when they went to HD GUI. Hoping the new firmware and new model will be snappier than my HD XL. Anyone have both boxes care to weigh in?
post #4759 of 4820
Hello everyone,

Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm enjoying and lovin my Tivo Premiere XL. I live in Toronto, Canada and I use it exclusively for OTA recording of broadcasts/programming.

Having the Tivo now for 2 years has been quite an enjoyable experience and when I say that I think I'm understating my happiness with this STB recording device. I purchased life time service and there is no looking back especially with all the money I'm saving after cutting the cable company gougers service.

I wish Tivo had a greater presence in Canada, however, the cable company's up here will not upgrade their hardware to cable card compatibility. What a monopoly! However, I don't care now because the OTA programming in the Toronto GTA/Western New York area is very generous with plenty to watch. I can see where a sports TV fan (which I'm not) would suffer with OTA programming only, with not being able to watch their favourite teams. However, if there was a way to cherry pick sports programming over the internet (pay per view) maybe there could be a way to accomodate a dual hobby (free OTA TV and paid per view sports programming).

You can see by my post that I'm enjoying my Tivo so so so much. It is such a great device that has given this Canadian lots of entertainment satisfaction. If someone could point me to how I could thank Tivo (senior level) for having such a great device, please let me know. I want to be heard and I want Tivo to know that they have a great product that I hope they will continue to support and improve on.

Also, if someone could let me know what Tivo's position is on continuing to support OTA in their product line up. I'm just concerned that Tivo may be a leaning towards cable card/tuner supported tivo's and not OTA Tivo's. I wonder what the market share is for their customer base (antenna vs cable Tivo STB's).

Thanks everyone for your time.

Edwin from Toronto
Edited by Edllguy - 4/14/13 at 7:03am
post #4760 of 4820
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Originally Posted by blacksnakeball View Post

Great and thanks for all the info. I am looking forward to setting up my new tivo this monday.

One final question: Coming from Tivo HD XL to the Premiere XL4 will I notice any sluggish performance? I know this was an issue with previous models when they went to HD GUI. Hoping the new firmware and new model will be snappier than my HD XL. Anyone have both boxes care to weigh in?

I've had both and the HDUI on my Elite (now XL4) is roughly as slow as the SDUI was on the HD. Neither is fast enough IMO, but both are tolerable. The thinking is that Tivo's new boxes rumored for later this year will be fast enough to run the Flash HDUI without the occasional lags you get now.
post #4761 of 4820
In my case, I bought my first TiVo (a Premiere), which I am using strictly as an HD STB (no interest in the DVR functionality, or any of the other features of the TiVo Service). Let me answer some questions from the cable-subscriber end of things.

1. Must you subscribe to the TiVo service to use the basic functionality of the Premiere? Surprisingly, no. The very reason I didn't is because it duplicates functionality accessible via my computer - if I want to get a recording of ANY show that I would normally watch, the odds are high to extremely-high that a torrent of the show is available, and of at least as high a quality as the Premiere's tuner+CableCARD combo. (Both PC and TV are 1080i-ready - therefore, the quality loss is none.)

2. The one thing you DO need (TiVo subscription or not) is a connection to the TiVo service - a broadband connection (wired OR wireless) is preferred. However, if your TV is NOT in the same room as your router, this can be problematical - especially since the TiVo wireless adapters are quite expensive. However, once you get the pairing done, here's how I tackled it:

A. I set up a staging area at my PC (so I could use its display, which supports HDMI, in addition to running a wired connection to the router). I went through the entirety of the Guided Setup (documentation is included with the Premiere) - remember, I had already gone through the pairing portion, so I was able to skip that section and continue with the rest of Guided Setup. The wired connection is only 100 mbps (signifcantly underwhelming for a gigabit router, which this is); however, it is still pretty darn spiffy. It asks a leading question about your cable provider and channel lineup (so it knows WHICH channel lineup to grab - some cable companies have different channel lineups by location) and asks about premium channels (so it can properly set the Guide to grab information about those channels), then it gets busy. The entirety of this portion takes maybe thirty minutes from beginning to end - the end is a reboot after the guide updates - taking you to TiVo Central.
Since I did NOT have an adequate length of cable to reach the Premiere at the staging area, I unplugged both power and Ethernet from the Premiere and moved it back to its destination.

B. Remember, I mentioned that I did not subscribe to the TiVo Service - nor do I have any intention to. Is my Premiere a brick? Hardly - I can still access the TiVo Guide (which looks like a cross between the existing Xfinity Guide and the TiVo Guide). It's at least as solid as any guide in existence.
post #4762 of 4820
You can use an unsubbed Tivo as an HD STB, but you won't have program guide data for long. The guide data is the main part of the sub you pay for.
post #4763 of 4820
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

You can use an unsubbed Tivo as an HD STB, but you won't have program guide data for long. The guide data is the main part of the sub you pay for.

That and it's ability to record just the new episodes of shows vs every episode at a given time and since some shows end up showing a new episode on a funky day and time it's a life saver.

It can be used to digitally record just like having a VCR - which I don't want.
post #4764 of 4820
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

It can be used to digitally record just like having a VCR - which I don't want.
I thought one of the recent firmware releases disabled the ability of an un-subbed TiVo to do manually scheduled recordings. I thought the only thing it could do, once the trial subscription ended, was scan for and tune in channels and capture the viewed channels to the 30 min buffer for trick-play. No recording (manual or guide-based) without a subscription.
post #4765 of 4820
I am using my Premiere in just that fashion; however, unlike some, I'm not all that het up over the guide. The Premiere is thus certainly usable as a straight-up HD STB. What sells TiVos, though - admittedly - is the service(s); how many folks would normally even consider the base Premiere otherwise?
post #4766 of 4820
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I thought one of the recent firmware releases disabled the ability of an un-subbed TiVo to do manually scheduled recordings. I thought the only thing it could do, once the trial subscription ended, was scan for and tune in channels and capture the viewed channels to the 30 min buffer for trick-play. No recording (manual or guide-based) without a subscription.

I'm not familiar with the new models however my S2 (w/lifetime and collecting dust) could be used like a VCR - schedule day and time and duration to record.
post #4767 of 4820
Hello ALL:

I have upgraded to Premiere 4 and XL4 and wonder if AVS lets us sell our not needed units. My THD (TCD652160) looks as new as the day I bought it, and has lifetime. I JUST put a 2TB drive in it 3 weeks ago for 318 HD hours. A few weeks later Tivo had a FIOS deal I could not pass up.

Sorry if this is not an allowed post, but I did not see if this is allowed.
Edited by mpsan - 5/2/13 at 4:10pm
post #4768 of 4820
They have a classified section for buying, selling, and trading.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/208/classifieds
post #4769 of 4820
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

They have a classified section for buying, selling, and trading.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/208/classifieds

Great. Not sure if there is a category TIVO fits in but I guess we can post in Video Source?

Can anyone post?
post #4770 of 4820

Just look under "Most Bashed Items".

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