Denon's DVD-3800BDCI Blu-ray Player Discussion Thread - Page 9  

I am someone who was interested in a dual format from Denon (and still would be), since I'm a bit... reluctant... to buy a Toshiba (mostly since the pricing is always cheaper) and I would like something value added like SACD and DVD-A as well as a great upscaler, so I have some utility when I believe HDDVD will be dead. I also recongize we have a Forum for dual format players and don't appreciate HDDVD partisans trying to pee on the parade here. That said, it seems more like people who don't appreciate the Denon brand, or more accurately the pricing it usually goes for, than HDDVD partisanship.


Indeed.

I don't really get this product. It seems to be a niche of a niche. Seems pretty interim to me. No network port is a failure to understand where the market is going.

Forget the HD DVD/Blue Ray partisanship if you are going to put a Realta in something then you might as well make the video processing open to any outside source through, HDMI, USB, and most importantly Ethernet. Put the Realta to work... not much thought or engineering required there and suddenly you have a device that is more than a niche botique interim product.. one to sell, not to say you have a BD player in your lineup. Even Oppo's new budget player has USB 2.0 and will play mpeg from an external hdd.

Mostly this is a big yawn.

I am looking at buying the Panasonic and keeping my 3930 for this exact reason.

Me to, but in my case the Samsung 2400.

What about a Dutch (Europe) version of the player? Any rumors about this?

Audioholics' write up on the 3800 says that the audio circuitry and DACs for the analog outputs was taken from the Denon DVD-5910. If true, it makes those of us with 5910s feel extra special(ly ripped off). That would surely account for the price, and MIGHT be worth it...for those using analog outputs.

5910 should be content knowing they have more features (SACD and DVD-A) not available on the 3800BDCI

Exactly my thoughts too.
With a 9.8 on the way and a 1080p/24 display on the horizon, the transport player is a perfect fit for me.
With Denon quality and a Realta on board, I don't know what else to ask for...excepting Deep Color or whatever it is called.
Beyond that, I can't think of anything else....

If they added DVD-A and SACD (including passing DSD via HDMI) ... I'd definitly get this.


A bit pricey, but this thing is a monster.

Why is everyone ignoring the transport? It seems like a cool piece.

I'm certainly not. I plan on getting the 5308 AVR, which has HD audio decoders built-in, so the Denon 2500 BD player will be a perfect compliment and it will save me a few hundred (I hope).

What about a Dutch (Europe) version of the player? Any rumors about this?

Passed via bitstream??
Heck yeah, that would be a no-brainer if that turns out to be the case.

I noticed everyone ignored this question.

cheers

If I were in the market for a BR player I'd probably be in the market for the Denon or Pioneer Elite.

The Sony players are interesting but I'm leary of the compromises that have been made, especially in the audio section and power supply, to reach a $1000 price point, let alone $700 or $499.

If all you need is a transport because you're going to be passing 1080P to your display and HDMI audio to a receiver, they've got that covered too.

When will 2.0 be avalible ?

Got some nice pics here:

Denon introduces high-end Blu-ray Player

According to the article "It's very disappointing this player doesn't have Ethernet support, so you can't download content, or upgrades straight from the internet (only by transfering it to SD card)"

This is indeed a major disapointment, especially with a player like this which has such a high price-tag!

No date has been set and, per spec, 2.0 is optional i.e. player manufacturers are free to choose to implement, or not.

The announcement says the DVD-2500 won't have any audio decoders, but I don't see anything about video. Does anyone know whether it will also have the Realta to upscale DVD's?

I thought it's just a transport and will not do any processing.

I read (at blu-ray.com??) that it will have the Realta too.

I was very excited to hear about this. I deliberately "missed" the 3930 because I wanted the ultimate in HD player, combined with a great DVD-player and support for SACD and DVD-Audio.

Well, I COULD live without SACD and DVD-Audio, but no Denon Link is a real downer. Having experienced sound over Denon Link vs. HDMI on the 3910, I won't spring for this. I will hang on to the PS3 as an interim BD player and hope for a coming 2nd. generation player to support this.

Very very very disappointed with Denon!

How is Denon Link better than HDMI??

Ironically, I found the same to be true for i-Link vs HDMI - no idea why - but my preception is that it was better sounding. Native DSD from my 59AVi to Z9 via i-Link was outstanding.

Does i-Link and Denon Link have greater bandwidth than HDMI?
BTW, I believe HDMI 1.3 has much greater bandwidth when compared to earlier versions of HDMI.

1.3 has a bigger bandwidth spec, but it always had enough bandwidth for audio. If optical can do 8 X 24/48 HDMI surely can.

Less jitter over Denon link and i-link i guess compared to HDMI, which evidently has higher jitter issues.

Not sure if its fact because depending who you speak to you get different answers.

hDMI uses the video clock to generate the signal where Denon link and i guess i-link with QLS (pioneers method) have proper clocks for the audio stream. or somthing like that.

Exactly. Some will swear on a stack of bibles that HDMI is so much better.

I said I "perceived" it because I'm going by memory - I don't use either right now. I just wasn't as impressed by HDMI as I recall being impressed by i-Link, and come to think of it - I didn't really even find it to be better than toslink or coax..

I do recall some saying that it had to do with either jitter or clock issues as well.

With regards to decoded MLP for DVD-Audio, I think the audio quality is identical via HDMI and Denon Link. As long as your surround sound processor has good clock correction, the HDMI interface shouldn't hinder audio quality.

I still use Denon Link because it's the only way for me to get DSD digitally, and because it's neat to use.

So come to think of it, the fact that Denon didn't include the Denon Link must mean they have confidence in HDMIs' capabilities. Perhaps the issues we alluded to have been rectified in the 1.3 hardware.