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post #1501 of 1767
9/9/09 at 8:43am
I am not there yet, I have 2 girls, 5 and 3. They do like the cinema though, I have trained them well.
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post #1502 of 1767
9/9/09 at 9:45am
We are hoping to go back to Disney next year. My younger kids will be 5 and 7 by then. Hoping we get to go because we haven't been since 2003. What park was the philharmagic in? I didn't see it when we went.
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post #1503 of 1767
9/9/09 at 9:56am
MK,

It doesn't seem to mess with your screen at those levels. Is your screen solid or tensioned? Those vids are VERY impressive!

dbldare
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post #1504 of 1767
9/9/09 at 10:00am
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MK,

It doesn't seem to mess with your screen at those levels. Is your screen solid or tensioned? Those vids are VERY impressive!

dbldare

You should post that in the weekly thread but it is tensioned. The screen does a great job, DIY all the way.

Brandon,
Philharmagic is in the Magic Kingdom next to Cinderella's carousel behind the castle.
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post #1505 of 1767
9/9/09 at 10:07am
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We are hoping to go back to Disney next year. My younger kids will be 5 and 7 by then. Hoping we get to go because we haven't been since 2003. What park was the philharmagic in? I didn't see it when we went.


We went because the price was right. We paid 1350 for the week and the dining plan. The dining plan has changed in the past few years, but all in all you can't beat the price for the included stuff, if you know how to use it.
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post #1506 of 1767
9/9/09 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

You should post that in the weekly thread but it is tensioned. The screen does a great job, DIY all the way.

Brandon,
Philharmagic is in the Magic Kingdom next to Cinderella's carousel behind the castle.

OOPS! Had both screens open. Sorry!

mike
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post #1507 of 1767
9/9/09 at 10:20am
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We went because the price was right. We paid 1350 for the week and the dining plan. The dining plan has changed in the past few years, but all in all you can't beat the price for the included stuff, if you know how to use it.

Is that the price for 2 adults and 2 kids with hotel and dining??? We paid more than that 6 years ago for 4 days and no dining.
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post #1508 of 1767
9/9/09 at 10:28am
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Is that the price for 2 adults and 2 kids with hotel and dining??? We paid more than that 6 years ago for 4 days and no dining.


6 days/5 nights/hotel. Dining plan included for 5 nights- not for the 6 days like it used to be. Total price was 1351 for 2 adults and 2 kids. Of course, the tips were added at the table service meals, but I paid 2350 for 8 days-8 months ago and I was happy to get the lower price and go at a slower time of the year. It was really hot though. The thing I see the most is a decrease in bus services, and smaller portions in the table service and walk up meals.
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post #1509 of 1767
9/9/09 at 10:37am
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Fantasmic only plays on certain days now, but just seeing the fireworks once was worth the whole price of the trip. I spend at least 1000 to 1500 on fireworks for the new year and I have to do all the work. It really is cool to watch the action and enjoy it, rather than do all the work and everyone else enjoys it- but me. I have been using only multi shot cakes and fountains lately-no reloads. I use cannon fuses and multiple ignition points. I light it and let it go.
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post #1510 of 1767
9/9/09 at 10:58am
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Well, I have always wanted to get some fireworks videos, and now I am defintely going to go at that full steam. I hope I can find something that is both visually and sonically effective.

Any ideas?

I have the Danley demo, but sound is only 1 part of the experience. Gestault theory works for this. The whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts.
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post #1511 of 1767
9/9/09 at 11:24am
There was some talk about the Macy 4th of July special on NBC. I watched it and thought it was great. You could tell the sound was compressed overall, but it was crisp. You could actually feel the thud when the shells blew and it was shown in high def so it was in 5.1. Really your best bet is to wait for a firework holiday and record a few shows on the dvr. I have done that for years. You could always call up discovery channel to see if they could put one of their shows on DVD. They have had specials about the best shows in the world like Sydney, las Vegas, nyc, Boston, Tokyo, and some others. Video was great on those and the sound was ok. The danley recording just has a crazy dynamic range that broadcast TV can't compare to.
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post #1512 of 1767
9/9/09 at 12:32pm
Hey Robert, the only fireworks I found doing a search on blu ray was called taipei 101. Its either sold out or never was released. Had a release date of 7-14-09. Found several on DVD though, but not much in the way or reviews of their sound quality.
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post #1513 of 1767
9/11/09 at 1:29am
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Well, if anyone comes across some good fireworks dvd's, let me know.

Brandon,

Do you think you could upload a copy of the GTG demos?
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post #1514 of 1767
9/11/09 at 5:22am
What about the sound clip on Danley's site:

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/techn...downloads.html

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post #1515 of 1767
9/11/09 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

Well, if anyone comes across some good fireworks dvd's, let me know.

Brandon,

Do you think you could upload a copy of the GTG demos?

I posted on your other thread.

Be thinking of anything else you want to. If you want a completely new DVD just let me know and I will make you one. May try to make a menu for this one too.
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post #1516 of 1767
9/11/09 at 8:37am
Oh, and you will like the svs cylinder sub. I heard on at htman's house a little over a month ago and I was impressed with what it could do. I think he said he has the 20-39 model. Its a couple years old but had great quality and output for a smaller room. He was at my meet but didn't bring his sub.
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post #1517 of 1767
9/11/09 at 9:18am
Robert,
How does the JBL 18's compare with the LMS 18?
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post #1518 of 1767
9/11/09 at 9:46am
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Robert,
How does the JBL 18's compare with the LMS 18?

Another animal altogether.

The sad thing about it though is I am more afraid of damaging the LMS than the JBL, even though the JBL does not have HPF on them at this point.
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post #1519 of 1767
9/11/09 at 9:53am
I can't remember but are you using the jbl's as LFE's as well as the LMS's? I know the LMS subs dig deeper but I wonder while watching a movie like WOTW if you can tell the deep extension apart from one another? I remember when I had pro subs(cheap and nothing like the JBL 2242's) that during the movie pulse the pro subs hit the same spl as the sealed subs I have now and that scene was 15-19hz and the pro subs were tuned to 25 hz. Makes me wonder. The DIY subs does have more hair standing up effects though but I am using 8 sealed subs vs 4 pro subs. I also wonder how much of facing the subs upward helps with that effect.
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post #1520 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:01am
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I can't remember but are you using the jbl's as LFE's as well as the LMS's? I know the LMS subs dig deeper but I wonder while watching a movie like WOTW if you can tell the deep extension apart from one another? I remember when I had pro subs(cheap and nothing like the JBL 2242's) that during the movie pulse the pro subs hit the same spl as the sealed subs I have now and that scene was 15-19hz and the pro subs were tuned to 25 hz. Makes me wonder. The DIY subs does have more hair standing up effects though but I am using 8 sealed subs vs 4 pro subs. I also wonder how much of facing the subs upward helps with that effect.

I am using the JBL's as subs for the mains and surrounds. Basically a 3 way system for each channel. Then, the LMS's are on the discreet .1 channel-LFE only-no redirected bass. All of my channels are set to large. Some people-as a matter of fact, a lot of people, seem to think that is not the way to go. I need to experience some of these setups in order to see for myself what is going on .
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post #1521 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:04am
Hey Robert,

What would a good price for a pair of JBL 2241H each in there own folded horn enclosures?
Also what is the effective range of these drivers?

Thanks

Mike
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post #1522 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:14am
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Well, that 25 hz extension is where it is 10 db down, but at 136 db overall, that would be about 125 db at 25 hz with 1 cab no room gain. Mine are corner loaded. With the correct crossover and EQ, it seems that you could reduce the top end-effectively flattening it out, and get wonderful bass out of it. I had some graphs of just the JBL's with REW, but the files were lost the day I screwed up my computer. I will try to get that going again. I have a ton of things going at one time right now.
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post #1523 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:19am
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The cheapest I have seen for used cabs like mine was 1600 for a pair-4 drivers. But, they were in Texas, $ for gas and time.

At one time Guitar center had a pair in the building for-I think, 1000.00 per cab- but with tax, that adds another 180 for the pair.

JBL's are not cheap, but they seem to be road ready. Mine look like the day I brought them home. I looked at them yesterday, and with the exception of a little dust, they are new. Very well built. They probably could be built heavier, but they are portable units, so weight is always an issue for bands.
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post #1524 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:20am
I prefer the full range sound myself, most of the people that say otherwise are not using dual 15's or dual 18's for the bottom end of their mains that are good enough for the LFE by themselves.
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post #1525 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:26am
I think I can get a killer deal on these pair as a local pro audio dealer has had them for awhile. The pair is only 1 driver in each cabinet.

He might be willing to go $750 for the pair out the door but I am not that familiar with these so didn't know if that was good or not.
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post #1526 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:27am
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Hey Robert,

What would a good price for a pair of JBL 2241H each in there own folded horn enclosures?
Also what is the effective range of these drivers?

Thanks

Mike

New, the drivers could be had for anywhere from 495.00-739.00. Plus, shipping needs to be considered. It could come out cheaper to just get the cabinet and all. Tons of companies build commercial cabs, and a huge number of them use the JBL 2241. It is amazing just how many companies use this driver. It may not be the best out there, but I bet that it is built to the level of precision that allows it to be used and abused with no issues. By the way, if you google it, there is lots of info about the frequency range and usable response. I will try to find it later.
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post #1527 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:29am
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I am using the JBL's as subs for the mains and surrounds. Basically a 3 way system for each channel. Then, the LMS's are on the discreet .1 channel-LFE only-no redirected bass. All of my channels are set to large. Some people-as a matter of fact, a lot of people, seem to think that is not the way to go. I need to experience some of these setups in order to see for myself what is going on .

Imho, that is totally the way to go. Unfortunately most don't agree and it isn't very practical for the majority. There was a thread just recently about how the SQ of the bass would be improved by going this route. I have thought that since way back when I got my very first subwoofer. Imo, you just can't offload all the bass onto one system, even powerful subs like users have here.

The only caveat I would bring up is that when you go Large on one or more channels in a surround sound system is that you could lose a portion of the <20hz content as there is a large amount of it mixed to channels other than the LFE channel. Not a gigantic issue but it would be nice to mix that stuff to the LFE and keep 20hz and up in the mains. Most prepro/AVR's I see go down to 40hz (sometimes 30hz in fancier models) for all the speakers. Too bad. Means we gotta add more x-overs, I guess.
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post #1528 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I think I can get a killer deal on these pair as a local pro audio dealer has had them for awhile. The pair is only 1 driver in each cabinet.

He might be willing to go $750 for the pair out the door but I am not that familiar with these so didn't know if that was good or not.


Are you shure it is a 2241 driver. The new cabs use a different driver. The 2241 and the 2242 are JBL's higher end- different from what is in the vertec or the lower end stuff.

The JRX system has a driver with a 3 inch coil. Totally different driver. Make sure you know what driver is in the cabinet. Also, is the cab powered. Give them a call and find out the model number of the cab and post it.
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post #1529 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:38am
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Imho, that is totally the way to go. Unfortunately most don't agree and it isn't very practical for the majority. There was a thread just recently about how the SQ of the bass would be improved by going this route. I have thought that since way back when I got my very first subwoofer. Imo, you just can't offload all the bass onto one system, even powerful subs like users have here.

The only caveat I would bring up is that when you go Large on one or more channels in a surround sound system is that you could lose a portion of the <20hz content as there is a large amount of it mixed to channels other than the LFE channel. Not a gigantic issue but it would be nice to mix that stuff to the LFE and keep 20hz and up in the mains. Most prepro/AVR's I see go down to 40hz (sometimes 30hz in fancier models) for all the speakers. Too bad. Means we gotta add more x-overs, I guess.


Exactly my opinion. I do not like the idea of pumping all the redirected stuff to the LFE. I would love to measure my system- when it is done, with the bass as is and then redirected, and see if there is a difference-or if I can actually notice that difference.
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post #1530 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:42am
They are the 2241 but if I am not mistaken they have been re-built using genuine parts. The cabinets are like new. I just remember taking a look at them and the owner telling me that is the JBL 2241 driver and at the time I had no idea what it was. I did call and they still have them just taking up space. I am in S California and half of these poor stores are empty in certain area's.
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