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post #1531 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:44am
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I prefer the full range sound myself, most of the people that say otherwise are not using dual 15's or dual 18's for the bottom end of their mains that are good enough for the LFE by themselves.


I feel the same way. I like my system as is-but it needs all the tweeks, I am sure of that. But, I have 2 other systems that are not even close to what this one is and enjoy them very much. I really do not think that there is one particular way to set things up. I feel that a little wiggle room is avaiable-plus a taste of individuality. I think that like at the GTG, each system has it's strengths and weaknesses. We just need to learn how to exploit the strength's and minimize the weaknesses.
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post #1532 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:46am
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They are the 2241 but if I am not mistaken they have been re-built using genuine parts. The cabinets are like new. I just remember taking a look at them and the owner telling me that is the JBL 2241 driver and at the time I had no idea what it was. I did call and they still have them just taking up space. I am in S California and half of these poor stores are empty in certain area's.

That would be 375 each for the driver and cab plus tax. If the driver was rebuilt by JBL, it is new. 375 plus tax and a warranty sounds good to me. What model is the cabinet?
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post #1533 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:51am
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That would be 375 each for the driver and cab plus tax. If the driver was rebuilt by JBL, it is new. 375 plus tax and a warranty sounds good to me. What model is the cabinet?


The cabinet is going to determine the depth of the extension.
The smaller cabs are extremely punchy. They will kick you in the chest. If you never experienced these, go listen to them Make sure you set them up with a crossover to them and the top cabs. Run the JBL cabs 100 to 150 down and see how you like it. You can go higher, but I think that the sound will be better if you crossed lower- just my opinion. We are not looking for sheer output here-just good quality sound. They will easily do DD requirements for output.

Would you be using these for main duty or LFE? They would be better suited for mains
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post #1534 of 1767
9/11/09 at 11:07am
I will have to get some more info on these, if I can swing it I will try to get there tomorrow to check them out more but it is not looking good.

My only problem if trying to dress them up so they are more presentable, the cabinets are like new but still are pro speakers. If I can't wind up using them then either my brother in-law of best friend can probably hide them better than me.

Speaker wise I am using Von Schweikert's all around as it has to double for music and movies and these are the best for both that I have owned. SPL wise the VS crank in all channels, just not as much as pro but I can't do that.

I am thinking it might be a pipe dream to squeeze these into my set-up without getting a pan to the back of the head but the deal seems good enough to try.
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post #1535 of 1767
9/11/09 at 11:09am
"Then, the LMS's are on the discreet .1 channel-LFE only-no redirected bass. All of my channels are set to large. Some people-as a matter of fact, a lot of people, seem to think that is not the way to go."

IMO that mostly wastes the LMS's.

I was under the impression that a lot of content doesn't use the LFE (music not at all AFAIK), and you're also not getting the benefit of smoother response from multiple sub locations.
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post #1536 of 1767
9/11/09 at 11:14am
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I will have to get some more info on these, if I can swing it I will try to get there tomorrow to check them out more but it is not looking good.

My only problem if trying to dress them up so they are more presentable, the cabinets are like new but still are pro speakers. If I can't wind up using them then either my brother in-law of best friend can probably hide them better than me.

Speaker wise I am using Von Schweikert's all around as it has to double for music and movies and these are the best for both that I have owned. SPL wise the VS crank in all channels, just not as much as pro but I can't do that.

I am thinking it might be a pipe dream to squeeze these into my set-up without getting a pan to the back of the head but the deal seems good enough to try.

Which Von's do you have. Those are some nice systems.
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post #1537 of 1767
9/11/09 at 11:19am
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"Then, the LMS's are on the discreet .1 channel-LFE only-no redirected bass. All of my channels are set to large. Some people-as a matter of fact, a lot of people, seem to think that is not the way to go."

IMO that mostly wastes the LMS's.

I was under the impression that a lot of content doesn't use the LFE (music not at all AFAIK), and you're also not getting the benefit of smoother response from multiple sub locations.

I am working on arranging things. Right now that is how it is set up. I tried redirecting the bass, but it seems like the reduction of the mains and surrounds and the added bass in the LFE was not as pleasing to me as the way it is now- so I put it back until I get the whole thing built.
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post #1538 of 1767
9/11/09 at 11:31am
I still have the older VR4 MKII, LCR-31 and the best surrounds I have ever owned and will never give up the TS-310's which are full range, tripole and have some sort of spatial circuit which requires you to connect each speaker to each other. The surrounds always get a reaction from my friends with a sigh of "I should break into here and steal these"

I have tried in vain to replace them with Aerial 9's, Thiels, newer Von Schweikerts and a few others but I still prefer these. I missed out on a deal for some VR-4SR latest version but I can tell you the VR-4 MKII kills the VR-4JR's which are actually pretty good.

I just wish the VR-4's were better looking like the Aerial's which I was surprised didn't beat out my VR's.

I just picked up a EAD PowerMaster 2000 and the matching TheaterMaster 8800Pro. With the Oppo BDP-83 feeding this pair from it's analog outputs the Von's are singing like crazy. I did have a PM2000 about 2 years ago and kicked myself for selling it but I finally got another.

I will probably pull the trigger on a pair of Von's VR-4SR as I did hear them and they are nice. I am not getting rid of my surrounds though and the center also beat out the Aerial top center and Thiel as well.
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post #1539 of 1767
9/11/09 at 4:28pm
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I still have the older VR4 MKII, LCR-31 and the best surrounds I have ever owned and will never give up the TS-310's which are full range, tripole and have some sort of spatial circuit which requires you to connect each speaker to each other. The surrounds always get a reaction from my friends with a sigh of "I should break into here and steal these"

I have tried in vain to replace them with Aerial 9's, Thiels, newer Von Schweikerts and a few others but I still prefer these. I missed out on a deal for some VR-4SR latest version but I can tell you the VR-4 MKII kills the VR-4JR's which are actually pretty good.

I just wish the VR-4's were better looking like the Aerial's which I was surprised didn't beat out my VR's.

I just picked up a EAD PowerMaster 2000 and the matching TheaterMaster 8800Pro. With the Oppo BDP-83 feeding this pair from it's analog outputs the Von's are singing like crazy. I did have a PM2000 about 2 years ago and kicked myself for selling it but I finally got another.

I will probably pull the trigger on a pair of Von's VR-4SR as I did hear them and they are nice. I am not getting rid of my surrounds though and the center also beat out the Aerial top center and Thiel as well.

Those are some really sweet systems.
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post #1540 of 1767
9/11/09 at 5:44pm
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I am working on arranging things. Right now that is how it is set up. I tried redirecting the bass, but it seems like the reduction of the mains and surrounds and the added bass in the LFE was not as pleasing to me as the way it is now- so I put it back until I get the whole thing built.

there is a good lesson in there.
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post #1541 of 1767
9/11/09 at 6:47pm
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Those are some really sweet systems.

Thanks Robert,

I just wish I had a dedicated room like yours to put up something like you have, well almost like you have since your system is hard to beat

Those Klipschhorns are excellent as well, one of my first systems was with a pair of Forte II's and an academy center which are great speakers. I have heard the Klipschhorns and they are outstanding.
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post #1542 of 1767
9/11/09 at 10:22pm
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Thanks Robert,

I just wish I had a dedicated room like yours to put up something like you have, well almost like you have since your system is hard to beat

Those Klipschhorns are excellent as well, one of my first systems was with a pair of Forte II's and an academy center which are great speakers. I have heard the Klipschhorns and they are outstanding.

The khorns are in a different system than my LMS's. I have a set of forte's and I will say they definitely handle their own.
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post #1543 of 1767
9/12/09 at 6:05am
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"Then, the LMS's are on the discreet .1 channel-LFE only-no redirected bass. All of my channels are set to large. Some people-as a matter of fact, a lot of people, seem to think that is not the way to go."

IMO that mostly wastes the LMS's.

I was under the impression that a lot of content doesn't use the LFE (music not at all AFAIK), and you're also not getting the benefit of smoother response from multiple sub locations.

Not just one sub. Robert has 8 LMS drivers, 4 in each cabinet in an opposed configuration.
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post #1544 of 1767
9/12/09 at 9:49am
noah is well aware of the configuration.
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post #1545 of 1767
9/12/09 at 9:56am
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Not just one sub. Robert has 8 LMS drivers, 4 in each cabinet in an opposed configuration.

Wrong. That would be nice though
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post #1546 of 1767
9/12/09 at 10:20am
don't beat him up. we all have brain farts.
4 drivers dual opposed with 8 passive radiators.
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post #1547 of 1767
9/14/09 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

Wrong. That would be nice though

Boy, I would just love that. I would just toss some of the other stuff out of the room to get them in there. Even though I feel I have enough now, more has to be better, right???? Just 3 db, ??Man, that is a lot of work for just 3 db.
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post #1548 of 1767
9/15/09 at 12:06am
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What I would like to do is to get my REW working, and then get other people who are using REW to measure the same systems at a GTG. That way, we could get some kind of comparison of measuring equipment. That way, it would be a lot easier for us to determine if the REW was or is working correctly for each user. I like the idea. Any thoughts?
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post #1549 of 1767
9/15/09 at 1:10am
Are people worried about the accuracy of REW now? Ive used it and it seems believable, and when Ive made changes it react in a linear, predictable way.

The GTGs Ive read about seemed pressed for time and using that time to verify others REW results would make sense if people are having problems, but if not it would seem tedious.

Someone needs to have a Socal GTG.
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post #1550 of 1767
9/15/09 at 8:57am
I'm not worried about the accuracy of the REW program itself. It has to be set-up and used right like anything else though. You can make it read almost anything you want. When it is set-up to be accurate it usually gives you results that make logical sense. If something looks weird or out of place, it probably is and there's likely a cause for it in the set-up or the signal chain.
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post #1551 of 1767
9/15/09 at 11:56am
Well thats what I thought too. I don't get to be here as much as Id like.I thought
something was uncovered recently about REW from what Robert said about double
checking others setup. I still cant believe REW is free.

Ive upgraded to an HDMI video card (no audio in) and disabled my sound card so I don't know what Ill do next time I need to run it though. I think Ive driven straight off the OT cliff now so Ill just slide on out
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post #1552 of 1767
9/15/09 at 7:21pm
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Well thats what I thought too. I don't get to be here as much as Id like.I thought
something was uncovered recently about REW from what Robert said about double
checking others setup. I still cant believe REW is free.

Ive upgraded to an HDMI video card (no audio in) and disabled my sound card so I don't know what Ill do next time I need to run it though. I think Ive driven straight off the OT cliff now so Ill just slide on out


Nothing wrong with program design, it is the setup and use that needs to be worked out. What I was getting at is that we should be able and willing to use the program and get accurate results.

For instance, if Josh brought his setup to someone's house and got a totally different graph of the setup, I would tend to believe Josh's graph, because he has been able to see and compare his measurements and Ivan's in the same room. Very close indeed. That is the point of multiple setups and tests. Replicating results.
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post #1553 of 1767
9/15/09 at 9:24pm
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HAVERHILL, Mass. Carlos Beltran, one of the most wanted sex offenders in Massachusetts, has eluded police for a year.

Investigators said they have been looking for him since July 2008, when he failed to appear at a probation hearing and register as a sex offender.

Yesterday, the state added his name to its list of the 10 Most Wanted Sex Offenders in Massachusetts.

Police said Beltran, 43, who was convicted in 2006 of sexually assaulting two teenage girls in Haverhill, poses a threat to other young people. They are asking for the public's help in finding him.

"He is a convicted sex offender. He's not registered so nobody knows where he is," said Deputy police Chief Donald Thompson. "It's not a good thing for the community that he's out there."

In August 2006, Haverhill police arrested Beltran and charged him with rape and indecent assault and battery on a person 14 or older. In December 2006, Beltran was convicted on those charges that he sexually assaulted two Haverhill teenage girls after luring them to his 622 Main St. home with job offers. Police told The Eagle-Tribune at the time that Beltran encountered the two girls, ages 16 and 17, as they sought employment applications at a local fast-food restaurant. He offered the girls jobs at a business he owned that dealt in stereo speakers, police said.

Beltran served 18 months in state prison. He also served one year for possession of a device used for wiretapping.

After his release from jail, Beltran was enrolled in a sex offender counseling program, according to probation officials. But he violated his probation when he failed to complete the program and did not notify the court and police that he left the program. William Moynihan, Haverhill's chief of probation, said he does not know why Beltran left the program.

On July 21, 2008, a warrant was issued for his arrest after he failed to appear at a probation violation hearing in Haverhill District Court. When police went to his listed address to arrest him on the warrant, they could not find him. A second warrant was issued after he failed to register as a sex offender, probation officials said.

Haverhill police and probation officials subsequently requested that his name be added to the most wanted list. But because only 10 people can be on the list at a time, they had to wait.

"Someone has to be arrested to vacate a space for you to be included in the top 10," Moynihan said.

The Massachusetts State Police and the state's Sex Offender Registry Board added five people to their list of the 10 Most Wanted Sex Offenders yesterday. The newcomers, including Beltran, replace offenders who were captured since the list was last updated in the fall.

Moynihan said new regulations that were put in place after Beltran eluded them require sex offenders to wear GPS devices that allow their movements to be tracked.

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9/15/09 at 9:26pm
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CARLOS I. BELTRAN WANTED FOR:
Indecent A&B over 14,
Failure to Register as a Sex
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DOB:…………………….03-20-66
Height:…………………..5’ 10”
Weight:………………….190
Hair:…………………….Brown
Eyes:…………………….Brown
Complexion:……………Fair
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MA SOR Number….…..159830
F.B.I.#:…………………..153746NC9
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BELTRAN has been classified as a High Risk, Level “3” Sex Offender by the Massachusetts Sex Offender Registry
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BELTRAN was convicted of (2) counts of Indecent Assault & Battery over 14 in 2006 and served 18 months in a state
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Warrant #’s 0638CR002084 and 0838CR001733 have been issued for BELTRAN out of Haverhill District Court for
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post #1555 of 1767
9/16/09 at 7:12am
Ummmm....wow

That's not what I expected. Is there a reward?

Carlos get ahold of me...I need to get 8 of those Acoupower 18's...

I gotta say in all seriousness though... Dude had "the look". You know what look I'm talking about.
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post #1556 of 1767
9/16/09 at 9:55am
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Ummmm....wow

That's not what I expected. Is there a reward?

Carlos get ahold of me...I need to get 8 of those Acoupower 18's...

I gotta say in all seriousness though... Dude had "the look". You know what look I'm talking about.

Yeah.....wow, I had no idea...well, I don't think any of us would think of him that way. But ....wow. Hope they find of stock of his Acoupower 18's....I'll show up to that police auction.

Hey, Ricci....your comment about "the look" made me think of this old gem: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....=spot_the_pedo

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9/16/09 at 3:36pm
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crazy
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9/16/09 at 4:45pm
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9/16/09 at 11:17pm
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A question has just raised in my mind.

1. Is or would it be better to biamp my soon to be 6th and 7th channels in a 7.1 setup. Full range cabs and an epic 12 or Mal X

or

2. Run the 6th and 7th channels and high pass the full range cabs at about 40 and redirect the bass to the LFE with a catch- the LFE would be the LMS cabs and a set of MAL X drivers that would be the low end of the bi amp alternative. I would effectively eliminate the low end of the 6 and 7 channel, but increase the LFE section by adding the MALs.

I only say this because I am going to pull the trigger on the Face amps and the MAL X. I was going to use the 12's in the HT and the MALs downstairs in the old setup. But, I can fit the Mals easier upstairs and the 12's down.

I would then have the 6 and 7 channel subs as LFE and they would be directly behind me about 9 feet away.

Any thoughts?
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9/17/09 at 10:30pm
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I was hoping to get a little more input about the 6 and 7 channels in a 7.1 setup before I trudge forward, but, nevertheless, I have figured out the direction of my HT build, with and without the use of extra LFE cabs and with and without the subs on the 6 and 7 channels. I am going forward with finishing what I have started and complete the 5.1 setup and any input about the direction of the 6 and 7 channels would be greatly appreciated.
I have a lot of things brewing at the moment, so it is not imperative at the moment, but sub or LFE determines what I do with the Mal x that I will be ordering.

Thanks,

Robert
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