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post #1561 of 1767
Robert ,
Interesting idea. Personally I don't see the need to go fullrange on the surrounds but I don't have your setup either
post #1562 of 1767
at this point, many folks are probably lost in space with respect to your thread. perhaps if you could restate your question succinctly, the experts will weigh in with comment.
post #1563 of 1767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

at this point, many folks are probably lost in space with respect to your thread. perhaps if you could restate your question succinctly, the experts will weigh in with comment.




I would not know how to say it to make others understand. Here it goes again.


I have 5 bi-amped channels w/ 2 LFE cabs.

I am going to add the other 2 channels to go to 7.1

Should I bi amp the 6 and 7 channels and use the epics for the subs, or go with the high cabs crossed at 40 or so and redirect the bass to the LFE. In doing so, I will be wanting to use the Mal X 18's that I will be getting when I buy the Face amps. This will allow me to use the epic's in my other setup where they will be more effective as LFE. Any better?
post #1564 of 1767
Robert,
re-routing 40Hz & below to the LFE would be my choice just because any single sub will have trouble keeping up if it's required to go as deep as the rest of the system. The TC Epic 12" would probably die trying...
post #1565 of 1767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

Robert,
re-routing 40Hz & below to the LFE would be my choice just because any single sub will have trouble keeping up if it's required to go as deep as the rest of the system. The TC Epic 12" would probably die trying...


That would be the way I would like to go. I want the cabs to double as some sort of table top or stand. That is why I want to go with the Max build, plus I think it is way too cool to not have one or two.. I really think you went to the max on the design-pun intended.

Does anyone see any reason not to have the new LFE cabs in the rear of the room?
post #1566 of 1767
Robert,
You have so much more capability with your current subs, tacking on the MAX would seem to be of little benefit. Pushing a cab per side would be risking there safety to keep up with the dynamics. I recommend going up to the 21" and a custom design, maybe even a Pro 21" driver to get the efficiency up. I'm curious as to what the heck do you have for surrounds that will keep up down to the 40Hz HPF anyway?
post #1567 of 1767
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

I would not know how to say it to make others understand. Here it goes again.


I have 5 bi-amped channels w/ 2 LFE cabs.

I am going to add the other 2 channels to go to 7.1

Should I bi amp the 6 and 7 channels and use the epics for the subs, or go with the high cabs crossed at 40 or so and redirect the bass to the LFE. In doing so, I will be wanting to use the Mal X 18's that I will be getting when I buy the Face amps. This will allow me to use the epic's in my other setup where they will be more effective as LFE. Any better?


I would effectively have 4 LFE cabs.
post #1568 of 1767
Robert,
maybe I am cornfused , are you wanting a MBM between say 40-160Hz, or extra rear subs from 40Hz down?
post #1569 of 1767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

Robert,
maybe I am cornfused , are you wanting a MBM between say 40-160Hz, or extra rear subs from 40Hz down?

I think it best to use the rear surround cabs as is from 40-20000Hz and instead of using a subwoofer for that channel, the Mal X's would be fed LFE signal like the LMS's. The rear surrounds would have the lo bass redirected to the LFE. ??
post #1570 of 1767
OK, well it's gonna take something with serious balls to keep up from all the way back there. Any non array hifi sub is at a disadvantage due to distance and low efficiency.
post #1571 of 1767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

OK, well it's gonna take something with serious balls to keep up from all the way back there. Any non array hifi sub is at a disadvantage due to distance and low efficiency.


But, the max boxes with the Mal's should be able to answer that??? Given enough power, right or wrong?
post #1572 of 1767
Thread Starter 
I was really hoping to do some A B testing at my GTG,but it does not look promising. Not any interest at all. I will be building these bad boys in the hope of some kind of unity
post #1573 of 1767
I'd love to get this in front of the guys at the GTG, but your long term needs for them are what has me worried a bit. Kind of a David vs Goliath situation. Sure I got hopes for David, but your Goliath ain't gonna give up first by no means. If anythings gonna bite the bullet it's gonna be the Mael-X and it won't be pretty. Now vs "normal scale subs" it's a level field and mostly a matter of preference WRT design trade offs.
post #1574 of 1767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

I'd love to get this in front of the guys at the GTG, but your long term needs for them are what has me worried a bit. Kind of a David vs Goliath situation. Sure I got hopes for David, but your Goliath ain't gonna give up first by no means. If anythings gonna bite the bullet it's gonna be the Mael-X and it won't be pretty. Now vs "normal scale subs" it's a level field and mostly a matter of preference WRT design trade offs.


Well, I have been bitten by the DIY bug, and I do not have much room left for projects. I am fitting them where they will or can go. I have very little room in my living room setup. The cabs are going to have to be thought out and if I use the epic 12's down there, I have a few more options than if I went with an 18. In the HT room, I can use the 18, probably as easy as the 12, but very little choice as to placement. So, there it is. Once I were to build this next system, and a couple of smaller boxes for downstairs, I really will not have any more room left at all. With all the work I am doing around the house, I really need to do something that is not so much "work" as it is hobby. Plus, my 5 year old really likes helping out. Imagine that! I have a 7 year old boy who does not like to work at all with me, but a 5 year old girl who can read and use a tape measure. When I get home in the evening, she is first at the door to ask if she can work with me tonight. How can I tell her "No". It really is cool to have a helper.

Could having two extra LFE cabs actually be a detriment in the final mix?


Thanks,

Robert
post #1575 of 1767
well robert after a thorough read of this thread, i have to say, what an excellent job you have done! i have managed to blow my sheet rock off the wall of my room with only 2 15" and 2 12" monitors before. and that was only running about 800 watts as well. i can imagine what your setup would do!

Congrats, friend- Kudos to you!
post #1576 of 1767
"But, the max boxes with the Mal's should be able to answer that??? Given enough power, right or wrong?"

I think the issue being pointed out, correctly, is the surrounds keeping up w/the bass, i.e. from XO on up.

You might want to look at Mark's Sparks or Geddes' Harpers.
post #1577 of 1767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

"But, the max boxes with the Mal's should be able to answer that??? Given enough power, right or wrong?"

I think the issue being pointed out, correctly, is the surrounds keeping up w/the bass, i.e. from XO on up.

You might want to look at Mark's Sparks or Geddes' Harpers.


They can and do at this point. All I want to do is clean up the electrical and finish the rack. Then add the extra 2 channels and tweek it out. Still a bunch of work to go.
post #1578 of 1767
I don't really see much benefit in using the Mal-X in the LFE channel with the LMS Monsters.

It would make more sense to have them as mid-bass crossed over at 40hz and up but there are better drivers for this purpose.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Mal-X and use one myself but they would have a hard time keeping up with the LMS array you have if they are used in the same channel.

If you have the DIY bug then why not try some kits from Parts Express or Madisound and make yourself some nice speakers for an office or bedroom?

Check out Passinginterest's thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1157847

That should keep you and your excellent helper busy
post #1579 of 1767
Thread Starter 
Like I said, I am at the complete fullness of my home. I have no more room left for cabinets except for the spots in the rear of the HT. That area will get some kind of table or stand either way, so why not a sub or lFE of some sort. I will post pictures of all of my speaker cabs when I get a chance. It will take a while to load them all.

Thanks,

Robert
post #1580 of 1767
Thread Starter 


Slideshow of my exterior speakers. I am having trouble loading things because of some virus, so this is as far as I got, so far.
post #1581 of 1767
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

Like I said, I am at the complete fullness of my home. I have no more room left for cabinets except for the spots in the rear of the HT. That area will get some kind of table or stand either way, so why not a sub or lFE of some sort. I will post pictures of all of my speaker cabs when I get a chance. It will take a while to load them all.

Thanks,

Robert

How about your master bathroom? A couple of Mal-X in there would facilitate movement without any user input......just output
post #1582 of 1767
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

How about your master bathroom? A couple of Mal-X in there would facilitate movement without any user input......just output

High volume with a tone "burp" would fulfill the phrase scared sh!+less.
post #1583 of 1767
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

How about your master bathroom? A couple of Mal-X in there would facilitate movement without any user input......just output


No room at all. I got a computer virus as I was loading my pics last night and I had to reboot my entire system. I used disc purge and just got the aol to work. Lost all my pictures and songs etc. So, I will be a while posting new pics.
post #1584 of 1767
Hey Robert, I met up with Ricci last night down here in Murfreesboro and got the video from my meet. I've got to mess around with some of the clips as they're pretty large (87+gigs total). The largest youtube will let me upload is 2 gigs at a time so I need to try and split them somehow. It may take a few days to get going, but I'm hoping some of the shorter clips will fit on there tonight. I'll update my thread with the info when the ones tonight are done.

Did you ever decide if you wanted me to make a duplicate of the DVD from my meet or add some other stuff?
post #1585 of 1767
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Originally Posted by brandonnash View Post

Hey Robert, I met up with Ricci last night down here in Murfreesboro and got the video from my meet. I've got to mess around with some of the clips as they're pretty large (87+gigs total). The largest youtube will let me upload is 2 gigs at a time so I need to try and split them somehow. It may take a few days to get going, but I'm hoping some of the shorter clips will fit on there tonight. I'll update my thread with the info when the ones tonight are done.

Did you ever decide if you wanted me to make a duplicate of the DVD from my meet or add some other stuff?


Duplicate would be fine. I just got my computer working from the virus. It seems to be running faster, so I might be able to retrieve the files if you send them email. Anyhow, I have had very interest in the planned GTG. I guess I will have to rethink the date and get some feedback. I have been working frantically around here to tie some of the loose ends, but my interest has slowed with such little motivation from the planned GTG interest. We will see.
post #1586 of 1767
Hey Rob,

I'm sort of agreeing with Dan here. I don't think that your LMS monsters need any help and the Mal-X's will give up before they do. You'd probably need to run them at a reduced level compared to the LMS's. Not sure if it's worth it. I guess it could help even out the bass response.

Let me see if I've got this right. You are adding 2 back surround channels to expand to 7.1 and you have the room to add another pair of subs to be run as part of the LFE as well. Is this correct? What are the mains that you'll be using on the rear surround channels? More large JBL pro speakers?
post #1587 of 1767
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

Hey Rob,

I'm sort of agreeing with Dan here. I don't think that your LMS monsters need any help and the Mal-X's will give up before they do. You'd probably need to run them at a reduced level compared to the LMS's. Not sure if it's worth it. I guess it could help even out the bass response.

Let me see if I've got this right. You are adding 2 back surround channels to expand to 7.1 and you have the room to add another pair of subs to be run as part of the LFE as well. Is this correct? What are the mains that you'll be using on the rear surround channels? More large JBL pro speakers?


Mains have yet to be decided.
post #1588 of 1767
Robert,
System matching always results in the best seamless cinema.
post #1589 of 1767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Robert,
System matching always results in the best seamless cinema.

The mounting depth for the rear surrounds will be somewhat limited. I am looking at some JBL floor monitors in the MRX or old SRX line. They have a shallow depth to them. It is all a process, so I quess I will just keep working on the 5.1 setup, and get it working like I want. Then, when I finalize some things, I will go further.

Thanks,

Robert
post #1590 of 1767
Thread Starter 
I just need to rant for a moment. Whether it is the economy or just people do not care any more -about anything, I do not know. In the past few months, I have seen and heard some overwhelming stories and excuses. As most of you know, I am a landscaper, and I also have a few rental homes. Each one of these businesses has seen a major downturn in the past couple of months and years, but can the people who both work for me and I work for be one in the same. It seems so. Not only have I seen a lowered work ethic and drive on the part of the people that work for me, I have started to see it in the people I work for. I seem to get the same stories day after day. I hear, "I'm sick", "I can't make it", "The train was in the way", "It is at my mom's house", "I'll do it tomorrow", "I need to go to the doctor", " I'll pay you tomorrow" and in the same breath "I need my money" or "Can I borrow such and such" which never is returned. And for all the old timers, the ever so popular," My dog ate it" is seeming to creep into the system-amazing! I actually had that one kicked at me last week. Is it just me, or is this the way it is everywhere. I cannot be alone in the cosmic realm. I seem to be hearing these types of fantastic excuses not once or twice a week, but at intervals that seem to be getting so close that the actual feeling is that it is a constant thing- like a line with no breaks in it.

Anybody have any of this going on?

Where is the morality?

Has our self esteem and honor gone by the wayside?


My only salvation is that I know there is nothing I can do to change other people, and I must not lower myself to their level. I must do what is right and accept the fact that I was brought up differently.

My parents are from the era of if you did the work, you get paid, and if you get work done, you pay them- period, end of story. For my entire life, I have heard, "If you can't pay for it, don't buy it", "Hard work never killed anyone", " and every other little one liner that you can think of. With those words in mind, I know that I must do the right things for myself and my family. I must help others who are actually in need. I must give thanks for all of the good that I and my family have experienced, and kick off all the negativity brought by those around me like dust from my shoes. In that way, I can walk forward with a clear conscience and instill in my children the same good qualities that my parents showed me.

Sorry for the rant, but things have really been crazy around here. The stories are endless. I am actually worn out from hearing them for the last couple of weeks. but, nevertheless, I am off to work.

Good luck,

Robert
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