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post #61 of 1767
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I hope they really rock. Like I said before, I am really not looking for super high spl's, but what I would like is a really powerful enveloping low end to complement what I already have set up. NEO Dan has really helped me settle down as far as my choices go and I can't wait to start building. I am very happy with the tall opposing driver configuation, and I think it will be very cool when it is done. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Robert
post #62 of 1767
A really powerful low end can be had with a single LMS in a sealed box.
A crazy low end is with a LMS and 2 PR's
A INSANE low is with a pair of LMS's and 4 PR's

you my friend are asking for an inferno of low end. I think you will be pleasantly surprised with what one of these will do, 4 of them will give you a grin that will be impossible to wipe off.

Good luck, I can't wait to see how this turns out!
post #63 of 1767
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Judging from the pictures, I assume that this is a common air chamber for all parts. If so;

* Did you estimate the cabinet weight with all the parts installed? Can you move this?

* Assuming two amps to power this. If one amp breaks, the subwoofer is down
as it wouldn't be wise to operate this with only one woofer being powered because
you now have one woofer driving four PR's and a non-powered woofer which by itself
is a PR. You have to check the model to see what issues may manifest.

* If you break a woofer and you need to remove it to have it fixed, your subwoofer
is down. You can plug the hole but now you have one woofer driving
four PR's. You have to check the model to see what issues may manifest.

* If a PR breaks and you need to remove it to have it fixed, your subwoofer
is down. If you operate the subwoofer with a the PR hole open, that is not good.
If you plug the PR hole, then you have two woofers driving three PR's and you
may damage the rest of the PR's.

In other words, making a two woofer, four PR subwoofer sharing a common airspace
can cause your subwoofer to be non-operational if one thing breaks.

Another idea is to break the design into two seperate subs like Jai's rig. One LMS,
two PR per seperate box. If one item breaks, only one subwoofer is down, the
second one is still working which is better than having nothing working.

Two subwoofer boxes also allows experimentation with placement.
post #64 of 1767
Thread Starter 
Good points all around. Maybe the center brace could just be solid and the cross braces have holes in them. Wouldn't that solve most of the problems? What do you think?
post #65 of 1767
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My new replacement motor for my lms 5400 is on the way to me. Tc sounds says that the passives are about 2-4 weeks out, and I am read to start building something.

Hopefully soon.
post #66 of 1767
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Anyone have any info about tc sounds passive delivery date?

Thanks,

Robert
post #67 of 1767
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

Anyone have any info about tc sounds passive delivery date?

Thanks,

Robert


Last I heard 6-8 weeks. Don't trust any deadlines given by TC Sounds, they almost never meet any of them.
post #68 of 1767
Neo Dan,
How bout mounting the speakers on the bottom of the box with an added "magnet support board" for each speaker? Cut airspace holes on all four corners of these" magnet support boards".
The center of gravity for the cabinet will be low and the additional "magnet support boards" will decrease the torsion component on the speaker baffle which appears to be at a minimum of strength because of the large hole cutouts for speaker and passive radiators.
My guess is that this combination of speaker and passives driven by the high watt amps will be idling along for most of it's life only to be launched into service orbit when another DIYer happens along.
Most certainly we ALL must be careful with our DIY creations so that congress doesn't start taxing us on SPL levels measured outside our homes or apartments. Or worse yet start taxing robertcharles on the number of inches of circumference of speakers and passives kinda like the number of feet of frontage on a lake or river. LOL
post #69 of 1767
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As of today, fedex has officially lost my replacement lms 5400 motor. They can't find it anywhere in the terminal or on any of the trucks. Well, I will just have to wait to get the update on if they find it. Hopefully, the passives that I already paid for will be delivered to me eventually. Good luck to all.

Robert
post #70 of 1767
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

As of today, fedex has officially lost my replacement lms 5400 motor. They can't find it anywhere in the terminal or on any of the trucks. Well, I will just have to wait to get the update on if they find it. Hopefully, the passives that I already paid for will be delivered to me eventually. Good luck to all.

Robert

Sorry to hear that robert. I hope it gets sorted out soon.
post #71 of 1767
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Fedex said they found a crate that is destroyed and has no labeling at all. They say that the thing inside is very heavy and looks like a motor, but it also looks very old and definitely not at all polished. I wonder, I have the only missing package, and they have only one package in the terminal that has no labeling at all and the crate is destroyed. I wonder. Has anyone got a shipment from TC sounds in a crate with no labeling or a label that could have just fell off?

Thanks,

Robert
post #72 of 1767
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

Fedex said they found a crate that is destroyed and has no labeling at all. They say that the thing inside is very heavy and looks like a motor, but it also looks very old and definitely not at all polished. I wonder, I have the only missing package, and they have only one package in the terminal that has no labeling at all and the crate is destroyed. I wonder. Has anyone got a shipment from TC sounds in a crate with no labeling or a label that could have just fell off?

Thanks,

Robert

Robert,
You have been skeptical about TC and I don't know why. Things happen in shipping. Just call TC and they will take care of it. You may have to wait, but it is worth it. Don't give up yet. Take it easy, things will fall in place. Just give it some time and enjoy the DIY process. The pain and the pleasure, if you sum it up all, will be positive when you are done.
Take care buddy.
post #73 of 1767
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I just called TC sounds and they told me my passives are being built today, and they should be shipped by monday. I hope so. The build will hopefully start soon.
post #74 of 1767
Good news.
post #75 of 1767
well maybe someone wanted to still it and they thought it was a complete woofer so they opened it up and noticed it was just a big magnet and left it their and took off hte label to delay them finding out what happened

but heh most likely that didnt happen LMFAO


I had big problems with fedex recently, they couldnt find me house.... also I just got a package from ups and you should of seen the box....
post #76 of 1767
Robert,
any luck with theTC shipments?


Later
Dan
post #77 of 1767
Thread Starter 
Finally got the replacement motor. I still have not hooked up any of the drivers to check. I was told that the passives were going to be shipped this week, but when I called yesterday, julie told me that something was wrong with the cones and they won't be ready for a couple of weeks, but my passives are on the line, she said.

Thanks, Robert
post #78 of 1767
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Seems like tc sounds has the passives for their new audiopulse line ready to go. I wonder why the ones that were ordered in the last month or so have taken so long? Maybe priority is not in our little orders. Who knows. Anyone else waiting on speakers from TC Sounds right now?

Thanks,

Robert
post #79 of 1767
I was supposed to get a quote for 4 18" passives from TC over a month ago - and to date, nothing, I've left emails, voice messages, etc., and no return info. I've spoke to at least three different people, including Kyle. For me, I'm at the point of just building two sealed LMS5400 18", since I can't get any info from them ( I even asked them to just tell me if they cannnot do the passives for me - and no response ) - frustrating. Good luck with your build and getting the passives ( I'm sure you'll receive them since you've paid for them ).
post #80 of 1767
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The passives are on the way. They were shipped on the 31st and are almost here. Hopefully, DHL will get them here with no damage. Next step is finalizing box design.

By the way, does anyone recommend using one crossover and splitting the signal to the right and left LFE or do I need to use a separate crossover for each sub box. Any thoughts? I was going to use the Rane pe 17- do I need two?

Thanks,

Robert
post #81 of 1767
I got mine yesterday.... ordered 2 - 18" of which I tried to change my order to a couple more 15" TC-2K's.. as I have been settling on a different design..... ported...

But I guess I will doing some experimenting with different designs... what the hell right... One can never have enough subs in the house...
post #82 of 1767
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Are your cones the new aluminum or the Ti? What about dual spiders?
post #83 of 1767
cones are aluminum... they look great... with the tcsounds screenprint image
post #84 of 1767
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dual spiders?
post #85 of 1767
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

dual spiders?

Sorry robert... I didn't spend alot of time looking at them, they have 2 steps of bracing if thats what you mean... like 2 stories of windows of a house. very light weight... Painted Black on the spider and Black cone...
post #86 of 1767
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

dual spiders?

All that was changed was the cone. It went from Ti to powder coated Al. If it had dual spiders before it has them now....
post #87 of 1767
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Originally Posted by jpmst3 View Post

All that was changed was the cone. It went from Ti to powder coated Al. If it had dual spiders before it has them now....

TC site says (archive) single 10" spider. Audiopulse site says dual 10" spider.
post #88 of 1767
I believe that they always had dual 10" spiders. How else would you control a 4" VC that heavy, and with that much throw?
post #89 of 1767
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Just got home. 4 passives arrived today. They seem to have dual spiders which is good. Very light weight. Way more packing than the 5400's. It looks like more attention to detail was put into these as opposed to the 5400's. I guess they are coming down the same assembly line as the new lines. They seem well made, and hopefully, they perform admirably. By the way, I had a TC Sounds decal in the box. Very happy so far.
post #90 of 1767
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

Just got home. 4 passives arrived today. They seem to have dual spiders which is good. Very light weight. Way more packing than the 5400's. It looks like more attention to detail was put into these as opposed to the 5400's. I guess they are coming down the same assembly line as the new lines. They seem well made, and hopefully, they perform admirably. By the way, I had a TC Sounds decal in the box. Very happy so far.

My 5400 arrived on Wednesday. It was shipped surrounded by heavy foam packing in a cardboard box. My previous 5400 was shipped in a wooden crate. I am assuming all is well, but I wonder how many get damaged with only a foam/carboard shell. I have not had a chance to remove it from the box...
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