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post #31 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

Just a slight update to my earlier large post:

I tried PowerDirector v7.00.1628:

The version i have now doesnt appear to have the option to burn to avchd full 1920x1080, let alone a straight bluray format, so i cant even really test this one..

I am using the trial version of PowerDirector: v7.00.1829

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but in the version I have, the "Produce" dialog and the "Burn Disc" dialog both have 1920x1080 listed as options with AVCHD in the drop downs where you choose video quality.
post #32 of 908
To any nero8 users... (nero vision).. i've made several folders with avchd content.. now if i go back to the beginning and choose these folders from "import avchd from hard drive", no matter how i do it.. at the root or down a folder.. i cant get it to work..

I have it set to "DVD" and have a re-writable DVD 4.5gb disc in there (for testing)..

It will say.. "checking the drive for an importable disc".. then.. "no appropriate disc was recognized in the recorder"..

Anyone else gotten around this.. (i also tried a DVDR and a DVDDL.. no luck there either)..

If i cant get this method to work, i guess the only other option is to find an iso maker that can turn the folder structure into an avchd type, maybe isobuster can? Then burn with decrypter?
post #33 of 908
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

I am using the trial version of PowerDirector: v7.00.1829

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but in the version I have, the "Produce" dialog and the "Burn Disc" dialog both have 1920x1080 listed as options with AVCHD in the drop downs where you choose video quality.

Yeah, this version has a bunch of choices.. (no burn to disc though).. to file.. then avc mpeg4.. the only option is 720x480.. not sure why i'm not seeing the option to burn to disc though.
post #34 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

I tried out Ulead VideoStudio 11.5 Plus.. it wouldnt allow me to select any mts or m2ts files, which had me puzzled, so i really couldnt test this one either..

If by "tried out" you mean you used their free trial, be aware that the links for the free trial of 11.5 plus actually point you at 11.0 plus. I fell into the same trap.

Admittedly 11.5 does look promising though.
post #35 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

To any nero8 users... (nero vision).. i've made several folders with avchd content.. now if i go back to the beginning and choose these folders from "import avchd from hard drive", no matter how i do it.. at the root or down a folder.. i cant get it to work..

I have it set to "DVD" and have a re-writable DVD 4.5gb disc in there (for testing)..

It will say.. "checking the drive for an importable disc".. then.. "no appropriate disc was recognized in the recorder"..

Anyone else gotten around this.. (i also tried a DVDR and a DVDDL.. no luck there either)..

If i cant get this method to work, i guess the only other option is to find an iso maker that can turn the folder structure into an avchd type, maybe isobuster can? Then burn with decrypter?

Also.. i tried a burn straight to DVD (rw).. it burnt fine.. but when i took and put it in my Magnavox Bluray player, the player bombed, saying it couldnt play this type of disc... It does, however, play fine in my PC through powerdvd 7.3.. any thoughts here as well? (when i went to burn, it did say.. "you are burning a disc with udf version 2.50 or higher. Many operating systems like windows xp or earlier versions of linux will not be able to mount this disc")

I have added some of these comments to my original thread posting with all the editors i've tried located here.

Note: basically, it seems that at least with menus (nero vision doesnt seem to have a no menu option), nero vision doesnt seem to produce an image that will play on my Magnavox player, even if i try to trick the system, by burning a Bluray type image via Pinnacle 12's burn previously burned content option.

Pinnacle 12 seems to work fine with menus and so does DVDarchitect.. This is somewhat disheartening at this point, as I wanted to avoid Pinnacle12 unless doing fancy edits.. and DVDarch 5.0 doesnt allow for edits.

Ill be testing further with movie studio 6 in the coming days to see if it offers anything better.. and maybe finding a nero setting that i'm missing perhaps?

**I guess another option may be to do the edits in Nero Vision.. save the image as Bluray type.. then use DVDarchitect to import the stream and then create menu's and export to DVD (this should not require a recode):
UPDATE.. this didnt work either: **Attempt to browse to the stream folder from a Nero image (in architect 5.0), choosing the mts file, it tells me that its not of the required type when I try to create a bluray disc
post #36 of 908
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

Use Ulead Movie Factory 6 plus (You may have to add the HD package as well depending on what you're doing)

I tried out the movie factor 6 plus.. without the hd package, at least, it wont import mts or m2ts (only references HD DVDs).. ill have to try the hd package and see if this changes (though a quick search on the ulead site isnt showing me this option)..
post #37 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

... (nero vision doesnt seem to have a no menu option)...

Edit Menu Screen:
Top right corner: Menus to use, "Do not create a menu" in the drop down list.
post #38 of 908
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Originally Posted by Playing View Post

Edit Menu Screen:
Top right corner: Menus to use, "Do not create a menu" in the drop down list.

Thanks for this..

Tried it without menus in Nero8.... no luck here either.. it wouldnt play on the magnavox..

This is a big bummer.. as so far in my tests, Nero8 was the only one that did re-encode the whole thing when doing edits..
post #39 of 908
Here is another bummer:

It would be nice to trim clips in Pixela ImageMixer as it smartrenders without loss of quality.
Only: Once they have been edited in ImageMixer, Vegas Pro 8 no longer wants to know the m2ts files. Only the audio.

Anyone have any answer to that one?
post #40 of 908
I've played around with a few.

VoltaicHD conversion to WMV then using Windows Movie Maker. Movie Makers has a very limited feature set.

Ulead's trial version. Pretty nice stuff.

Powerdirector 7 Ultra build 1829 by Cyberlink. This is the one I've settled on. It's price is 'reasonable' and is feature rich. It also uses Smart Rendering to create AVCHD movies from AVCHD clips (makes for faster rendering). It also renders to most all commonly used file types; WMV, MOV, AVI although I've run into a few issues with HD WMV rendering. PD7 also burns AVCHD, SD DVD and BD disks although I've run into a few issues burning SD DVDs using their menu templates.


All-in-all I'm pretty satisfied with PD7U but am working through a few issues with Cyberlink.

Cyberlink also has a very useful (members only) forum that contains a lot of tips and tricks.
post #41 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

If i cant get this method to work, i guess the only other option is to find an iso maker that can turn the folder structure into an avchd type, maybe isobuster can? Then burn with decrypter?

If you have all the files and folder structure ready, just use imgburn (free) to burn to the disc (using "Build" mode).
Just make 100% sure that you select UDF 2.5 format.
post #42 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

Ulead Video 11.5
*Wont import m2ts or mts files

If you are using the version, it is only ver 11.0. You need to apply the patches and power pack to upgrade it to 11.5.... but they won't allow you to do that if you have a trial version though
post #43 of 908
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Originally Posted by kalak View Post

If you are using the version, it is only ver 11.0. You need to apply the patches and power pack to upgrade it to 11.5.... but they won't allow you to do that if you have a trial version though

Actually it was 11.5...
post #44 of 908
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Originally Posted by hauptm View Post

I've played around with a few.

VoltaicHD conversion to WMV then using Windows Movie Maker. Movie Makers has a very limited feature set.

Ulead's trial version. Pretty nice stuff.

Powerdirector 7 Ultra build 1829 by Cyberlink. This is the one I've settled on. It's price is 'reasonable' and is feature rich. It also uses Smart Rendering to create AVCHD movies from AVCHD clips (makes for faster rendering). It also renders to most all commonly used file types; WMV, MOV, AVI although I've run into a few issues with HD WMV rendering. PD7 also burns AVCHD, SD DVD and BD disks although I've run into a few issues burning SD DVDs using their menu templates.


All-in-all I'm pretty satisfied with PD7U but am working through a few issues with Cyberlink.

Cyberlink also has a very useful (members only) forum that contains a lot of tips and tricks.

If PowerDirector7 works out for me, in that it can do this smartrendering menus, transitions and all.. ill probably use that for everything, unless i'm doing complex edits with fancy stuff, then either Sony or Pinnacle.

I'm downloading the trial version of this now, so i can see the new feature set.. hopefully tonight ill see how she goes.

The key is whether the final rendered image/disc will work on my bluray player with menus.
post #45 of 908
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

I am using the trial version of PowerDirector: v7.00.1829

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but in the version I have, the "Produce" dialog and the "Burn Disc" dialog both have 1920x1080 listed as options with AVCHD in the drop downs where you choose video quality.

Ok, i now have this version .1829...

Under Produce.. File.. The only place i see anything near 1920x1080 is under .mpeg2 (HD mpeg2 1080i...

The avchd is still a max of 720x480..

Now if i goto create disc..

Properties of the pproject at the bottom.. It has a bunch of bluray choices and avchd.. but upon selecting avchd it says.. "this profile only support wide screen".

I also went to the editor and tried to set the aspect to 16:9 (note the preview window had black bars at top and bottom still)..

But then i went to the main menu.. and found another aspect picker.. changed it.. started over.. and now under file.. avchd.. i see both options.

Now i will play with each option (avchd file) and avchd disc (hoping this disc option allows for an image file to be saved too)..
post #46 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

Actually it was 11.5...

Are you using the trial version? Because you must update the videostudio with the power pack before it would work with m2ts and AVCHD. And apparently you cannot do that with the trial version.

Also check the About Dialog for the real version number. As far as I know, none of the trial versions were 11.5.
post #47 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

Ok, i now have this version .1829...

Under Produce.. File.. The only place i see anything near 1920x1080 is under .mpeg2 (HD mpeg2 1080i...
The avchd is still a max of 720x480..
Now if i goto create disc..
Properties of the pproject at the bottom.. It has a bunch of bluray choices and avchd.. but upon selecting avchd it says.. "this profile only support wide screen".
I also went to the editor and tried to set the aspect to 16:9 (note the preview window had black bars at top and bottom still)..


**But then i went to the main menu.. and found another aspect picker.. changed it.. started over.. and now under file.. avchd.. i see both options.
Now i will play with each option (avchd file) and avchd disc (hoping this disc option allows for an image file to be saved too)..


So far i've tried the avchd file option.. it had its smart render option checked off.. it took over 12 mins for my 1m 23 second clip.. not a very fast smart rendered.. ie: Nero8 took about 2m 23 seconds.. the resultant file was smaller than the original and very pixelated and the video was very jerky..

I'm now trying the burn to disc (HDD folder) option.. it is taking roughly the same time, hasnt finished yet, guessing 10-12 minutes as well.. Hopefully the video quality will be just as good as the original this time...



This is a bit troubling.. i was hoping this program would be what Nero8 isnt (something that can quick transcode and produce a disc with menus that a bluray player can read)..

Otherwise it will probably be MainConcept Mpeg2 25mbps for me, via render as in Sony Vegas, taking about 8 hours for 1 hour of video, but alot less than the 30 or so for Pinnacle (avchd).


UPDATE.. tried the disc mode option and it was the same jerky pixelated mess as before with the direct to file.. so short of a BD type image miracle.. its looking like Power Director is out for me..
Btw.. i did compare in media info, the original m2ts and this one.. the original says BDAV and 15.1mbps, while the new file says MPEG-TS and 14.6mbps (the average bit rate could only be set to like 14,800 or so).


UDPATE: tried the mpeg2 option, it too was a jerky pixelated mess.. not sure why, its almost like it lost fps for some reason, in all of these cases. (it took about 6m 23 sec to complete)



Ill also be testing pixela tomorrow as well.
post #48 of 908
Thanks bigbarney for the tips. I plan to try some of this stuff out this weekend. I plan to remain in DVDA 5 for now.

Someone asked what video card I was using-

Nvidia 8800 GT with half gig of ram.

The base machine is the HP 9280F with 8Gb ram, Vista64, additional 2 1TB hard drives, additional sata BD burner drive, and replaced the power supply with a larger one. The case is tight but it all fits.
post #49 of 908
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Originally Posted by kalak View Post

Are you using the trial version? Because you must update the videostudio with the power pack before it would work with m2ts and AVCHD. And apparently you cannot do that with the trial version.

Also check the About Dialog for the real version number. As far as I know, none of the trial versions were 11.5.

It is the full blown version of 11.5.. i had already uninstalled it out of aggravation though

Now with powerdirector being a bust (for whatever reason).. i'm losing hope on the non-recode editor.. maybe Pixela will be the answer.. ill find out tonight.
post #50 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

.......I'm now trying the burn to disc (HDD folder) option.. it is taking roughly the same time, hasnt finished yet, guessing 10-12 minutes as well.. Hopefully the video quality will be just as good as the original this time...

I didn't time the burn to disc operations when I tried them, but I think they took longer than that for about the same length video as you tried. But my Pentium 4 3.2GHz is way under-powered for AVCHD.

As part of testing the software for possible purchase (after I upgrade the PC), I have created several short AVCHD discs on DVD+R for playing on my Blu-ray player and the playback quality of the discs was excellent - no jerkiness or pixelization at all.

But when I try a burn to disc operation with video longer than about 2-3 minutes, Power Director gets to a certain percent of completion and gets stuck there. It doesn't crash, but it sits there on the same percent completion for hours. I am not sure whether this is because my system is below the minimum required specifications, bugs in the software, or a conflict with my system. I would have thought the under-powered system would just make it take longer.

Since I was able to burn good discs on my under-powered system, maybe there is still hope for the software on your system. Maybe a setting or something needs changed? But maybe not, since you undoubtably know more about this stuff than me (I've bought my first camcorder less than a week ago, so this is all new).
post #51 of 908
Hi,

I just bought the HF-100 along with a mag-carbon fiber tripod and video head from Bogden Manfrotti... I also picked up a stereo mic. I assume the cannon only records in 2 channel? The $1400 Sony claimed 5 channel recording???

In any case, I'm hoping to chose the best PC based video editing software since I plan on recording in max mode, Blu Ray, etc... I do not plan on doing standard def recording. Which program (s) do you recommend? Vegas Platinum, Vegas Pro? ????

Thank-you,

Chris
post #52 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

Just a slight update to my earlier large post:

I tried PowerDirector v7.00.1628:

The version i have now doesnt appear to have the option to burn to avchd full 1920x1080, let alone a straight bluray format, so i cant even really test this one..

I tried out Ulead VideoStudio 11.5 Plus.. it wouldnt allow me to select any mts or m2ts files, which had me puzzled, so i really couldnt test this one either..

I'm using VideoStudio 11.5 and it imports mts/m2ts from a Sony HD hard drive camcorder without any problems. Haven't had any issues working with the mts files in VS 11.5 and burming several AVCHD discs on both single and double layer DVDs. Only wish the rendering was faster - not sure that VS 11.5 is taking full advantage of my Intel quad core. Haven't tried burning a Blu-ray disc yet - the prospect of a $10-20 coaster is not too appealing.
post #53 of 908
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Originally Posted by Health Nut View Post

Hi,

I just bought the HF-100 along with a mag-carbon fiber tripod and video head from Bogden Manfrotti... I also picked up a stereo mic. I assume the cannon only records in 2 channel? The $1400 Sony claimed 5 channel recording???

In any case, I'm hoping to chose the best PC based video editing software since I plan on recording in max mode, Blu Ray, etc... I do not plan on doing standard def recording. Which program (s) do you recommend? Vegas Platinum, Vegas Pro? ????

Thank-you,

Chris

Its only 2 channel ac3, not 5 unfortunately.. i wish it were 5, though what would it really sound like coming from a camcorder?

Personally, i dont know yet on editing.. if your doing fancy edits that cant just be transcoded, i'd go with Pinnacle 12 or Vegas Pro 8.0.. Then with vegas pro, you can export to DVD Architect (but only if its mpeg2 mainconcept, currently, that is, without a re-render from Architect itself).

I was hoping PowerDirector was the answer, i guess ill try some settings changes and see if i have any luck, but i'm doubting it.

Tonight i'm trying ImageMaker 3.0 SE (pixela) and i will see how that goes as far as edits without a re-render

If your curious on render times, take a look at my previous post with a listing of some test values.
post #54 of 908
I've started using Pixela ImageMixer 3 SE tonight.. so far, no great luck here.

I'm running x64 vista on the dual core 1.86ghz with 4gb memory..

I was able to do an import from the canon camera just fine.. but when i try to browse the library files (now on the harddrive).. it will frequently lock up and show "not responding".. i then have to kill the task..

Havent even been able to try edits and transcoding yet...

Update: i unplugged the canon camcorder and its more responsive, but now having trouble doing the file.. import file/folder.. files arent showing up anywhere on the left hand side. I'd prefer a files and folder type view here rather than "album".

...However, after trying it some more it continues to lockup.. apparently after searching some more, this is a common problem with ImageMaker and most people avoid it.. I think i'm about to dump this idea as well:
I did manage to click the edit button.. it began to do "adding clips" and just sat there on the progress bar.. it was one file.. 159mb in size.. stuck.. (I did notice that the "haali media splitter" icon appeared by the clock in the sys tray.. it was using this for something.. but i had to end task.

This now leaves me with a buggy PowerDirector (may still just need tweaked, but doubt it)..




Is there any other non re-encoding software out there to try?

I never did find the "hd pack" for ulead movie maker 6 (not even sure if this was a fast encoder one or not)..

I really hate to "settle" for mpeg2 mainconcept under Sony Vegas.. as i feel even it looks close to the original quality there has to be some loss of data somewhere (?)...

**Has anyone ever gotten Nero Vision 5 burnt discs (AVCHD or bluray) to play on a bluray player?
post #55 of 908
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Originally Posted by kalak View Post

If you have all the files and folder structure ready, just use imgburn (free) to burn to the disc (using "Build" mode).
Just make 100% sure that you select UDF 2.5 format.

I'm trying this to make an iso of a "BD type folder image i have".. i just set udf rev to 2.5.. any other check boxes needed? Then click the folder to iso create button? (after i clicked burn to iso.. it then detected it was a bluray image.. but when i tried to play it back, just in powerdvd.. pdvd said it was an unsupported disc in the drive). Of course this is trying to make an iso from a folder image of a nero BD image type, which wouldnt play on the commercial bluray player either.. i was hoping making into an iso may fix the Nero Vision issue, but it may be a problem with Nero directly

Thanks
post #56 of 908
Its also interesting.. PowerDVD will only do an open harddisk on any of the AVCHD Nero folder structure roots and also the PowerDirector ones.. ANy of the bluray ones Nero created or the avchd or bluray ones from Pinnacle cant be opened by this method.. of course you can always browse to the stream file, but you lose the menu.. not sure why this folder issue is going on.
post #57 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

I've started using Pixela ImageMixer 3 SE tonight.. so far, no great luck here.

I did notice that the "haali media splitter" icon appeared by the clock in the sys tray.. it was using this for something.. but i had to end task.

There is your problem, at least for XP. Uninstall Haali and try again.
post #58 of 908
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Originally Posted by Playing View Post

There is your problem, at least for XP. Uninstall Haali and try again.

I think it came with the mega klite codec pack.. dont see an uninstaller per say..
post #59 of 908
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

I think it came with the mega klite codec pack.. dont see an uninstaller per say..

Don't know Vista but in XP it shows up under ControlPanel, Add or Remove Programs.
post #60 of 908
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Originally Posted by Playing View Post

Don't know Vista but in XP it shows up under ControlPanel, Add or Remove Programs.

Well, uninstalling the Klite Mega codec pack has now allowed it to get to the edit screen.. ill be testing render times shortly...

So my question is, which codec pack will play nicely with ImageMixer.. Not having the codec pack installed isnt going to work in all cases...
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