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post #721 of 908
3/10/10 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by Mike52 View Post

Hey Tom.
I just downloaded Corels' Videostudio Pro x3 (a trial version). I am concerned about rerendering which results in a lesser video quality. Back then, when producing an AVCHD DVD without transitions, etc., Corel put out a pretty good video, but when anything like transitions, etc. are added, the quality seemed to go down. How is the quality of your AVCHD video when you add transitions, titles, etc.? With Pinnacle, it rerenders things so badly that the resulting AVCHD DVD isn't much better than if I were to simply burn the AVCHD DVD as an SD disk. Nero does much better, but still not to the level I would like.
A year and a half ago, I tried Videostudio Pro x2 and thought the results were similar to Neros, but found that there were less tools to work with (at least that was my impression at the time), especially compared to Pinnacle 12s' suite of tools.
What is your opinion of the Pro x3 program? Especially compared to the x2 program? Does it render AVCHD video even better than x2 did, or is it about the same (even when adding transitions, etc. to it)? Is it easier working with AVCHD or about the same?

Thanks Tom.

Mike

This problem has been around since VideoStudioX2. I highly recommend you download a 30 day trial of Neo 2 with booster. I've added all kinds of transitions and the output is stunning.
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post #722 of 908
3/11/10 at 3:50am
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Originally Posted by Tom Gull View Post

I exercise a small fraction of the Corel software's features so I'm not sure how useful my input will be. It has all the features I need and a ton more.

All I do is render after trimming and splicing and sometimes adding transitions. X3 seems to render as well as X2 with one exception but it's faster. If it encounters a transition like a dissolve in an existing clip it seems to want to re-render it instead of just leaving it alone. The transition frames end up pretty rough. But I haven't tried doing that AVCHD to AVCHD, only AVCHD to MPEG-2 720p. Now that I can render MPEG4-HD out of Corel and YouTube accepts it, I have stopped rendering the 720p. I haven't tried taking an AVCHD clip with transitions and rendering it to MPEG4-HD. This issue with rendering transitions to a different format is the only place I've seen a loss of quality. I need to confirm the boundaries of the issue at some point.

AVCHD to AVCHD with transitions has looked fine to me so far (I bought X3 in early February). I don't add titles, effects, or music to my clips. Example editing I do: I took about 20 clips of trains the other afternoon. I combined those into two ten-minute AVCHD clips, rendered those to AVCHD and those are what I'm keeping. I haven't perceived any loss of quality AVCHD to AVCHD so far. (I deleted the original 20 clips.) I also rendered these to MPEG4-HD and uploaded them to YouTube.

I'm not rendering anything to put on a DVD, so I'm not sure whether you're talking some variant of AVCHD itself that is different from the original format of these Sony clips. Everything is played back by Picture Motion Browser, a PS3, or a Western Digital Media Player, with the latter two going to HDTVs. I seem to recall that AVCHD clips can be put on regular DVDs and played back on a Blu-Ray player only. But I'm wondering if you're losing quality because you're creating some variant of AVCHD for DVDs instead of just the clips in their original formats.

The UI changed some between X2 and X3, generally for the better. There's not much difference between working with AVCHD as I do in the two versions. The only thing I have to remember is to click the Dolby 5.1 sound "on" in a menu instead of with a more visible icon.

Tom, thanks for the information. I have a Sony SR11 and I use the AVCHD clips directly from Picture Motion Browser into any Editing program I am using.
When burning AVCHD onto a DVD, I have been limited to burning only the raw footage from PMB because it seems whenever I start adding transitions, titles, and menus with chapters, the editing program rerenders everything and the results are poorer quality video. Pinnacle is particularly bad at this, with Nero being less so. I am hoping that Corel will not downgrade the video quality too much when I start working the video files by adding transitions, etc.. I am going to start trying out the trial download today, so hopefully, I can find out some definitive answers to my questions.

Thanks.
Mike

PS. Trains? I have shot hours and hours of trains on my SR11 and on an FX7, putting the footage on DVD. Lots of great stuff if I do say so myself.
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post #723 of 908
3/11/10 at 9:17am
Hey Guys. I decided to go with Premiere CS4. Two questions I have though is 1st I am using 30p video from my Canon HG20, when I select project settings should I be choosing one of the AVCHD options, or DV, or HDV??? Does it really matter as long as it is 1080x1920 and 29 fps (they all say 29.xx frames I guess thats the 30p option). It's just a little confusing, I guess DV stands for Digital Video, and hdv is High def Video??? but since my camcorder is a AVCHD should I select one of the AVCHD sequences?
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post #724 of 908
3/11/10 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by Mike52 View Post

whenever I start adding transitions, titles, and menus with chapters, the editing program rerenders everything

You realize that the transition-sections have to be re-rendered, right? Or, are you saying that adding a transition results in the entire movie being re-rendered?
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post #725 of 908
3/13/10 at 6:51am
Hey guys. What's the best format to use with Adobe Prem cs4 for Blueray playback, M4V or M2T??.. As far as what more blueray players would read??? also I made a clip today and it seemed like it played really smooth, but almost like it played a little slower than when I rendered it in Video Studio x3,

do you guys know what I may have done wrong?? does it have something to do with the drop frame settings, I remember there was a drop frame or something else I could have chose in beginning of project.

I noticed I have to check Macroblocking for anything to play on my PS3. I heard if I render in M4V all I have to do is rename it to .MP4 to playback on PS3, hope thats true. I rendered my first file in M2T.

I couldn't believe the improvement in using Adobe over Corel, night and day just in render quality, BUT I do have to admit it took like 5 times longer to render.
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post #726 of 908
3/14/10 at 6:22pm
been looking through this thread, but couldnt find out:

What's the best software for very basic editing (smart rendering):

1. Cut and past
2. Transitions
3. Add audio

I have a canon hf100, and the default software, pixella does this, but would like a more robust software, and possibly something that can use 64 bit architecture? I dont need anything dvd related, and usually play the files raw because of my htpc setup.
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post #727 of 908
3/14/10 at 6:50pm
bighairnee7,

I'd make sure the bit rate wasn't so low and use at least 4.1 as the h.264 profile. M4V is fine.


Chardog,

Edius Neo 2 Booster is very good for only $200. You should download the free trial.
Check this out:
http://vimeo.com/10145562
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post #728 of 908
3/14/10 at 10:20pm
[quote=Paulo Teixeira;18312015]bighairnee7,

I'd make sure the bit rate wasn't so low and use at least 4.1 as the h.264 profile. M4V is fine.


As far as rending HD video's in Adobe PRemiere, only the M2T files will work on PS3, m4v ps3 says corrupt data,, big bummer, unless im missing something???
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post #729 of 908
3/14/10 at 10:22pm
also I use bitrate 18, isnt that good one to use?
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post #730 of 908
3/14/10 at 11:15pm
Did you change the extension to .mp4
Does you PS3 have the latest firmware update? -That's very important.

With Premiere, I use Main Concepts H.264 and it works perfectly fine on my PS3, like this video for example.
http://vimeo.com/8497083
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post #731 of 908
3/14/10 at 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Did you change the extension to .mp4
Does you PS3 have the latest firmware update? -That's very important.

With Premiere, I use Main Concepts H.264 and it works perfectly fine on my PS3, like this video for example.
http://vimeo.com/8497083

What I really want to do is convert these H264 m2t files from premiere to something that will play on a normal blueray player, not just a ps3. does anyone know how to convert them?? what program can I get to do that that will make it easy??
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post #732 of 908
3/15/10 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Did you change the extension to .mp4
Does you PS3 have the latest firmware update? -That's very important.

With Premiere, I use Main Concepts H.264 and it works perfectly fine on my PS3, like this video for example.
http://vimeo.com/8497083

are you saying you bought the main concepts program for adobe premiere?? I rendered like 30 second h264 m2t files, played on my ps3, but when I rendered a 5 minute one, halfway through the clip sound cut off and the clip played real fast, on my pc the 5 minute clip plays fine, I dont understand it.
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post #733 of 908
3/15/10 at 9:00pm
All I do is export it to h.264.
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post #734 of 908
3/16/10 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

All I do is export it to h.264.

So it saves it as a .m4v then or a .m2t?? read this thread, only one guy I know of (two counting you) has been able to get files working on ps3 from premiere. And the other guy who got it working had to click on macro blocking, which I tried and it's buggy.

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/416008

Read that link, no one can get this working. I dont understand how it works so easily for you. Are you exporting as PAL or NTSC??
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post #735 of 908
3/16/10 at 6:58am
Hey guys. I broke down and got Sony Vegas. What is the best way/format to render my files to playback on a Blueray player. M2TS,MP4???
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post #736 of 908
3/16/10 at 8:38am
It shoots out as .mp4.
Do you at least have the latest firmware update? I would strongly make sure that you do.
http://us.playstation.com/support/sy...date/index.htm
If that doesn’t work, than try updating Premiere.

That particular file that I linked to is inside my PS3 and it works flawlessly. The resolution is 1280x720 60p which is NTSC. I really don't think that would matter but you never know. I'll do some experimenting when I get home.



If it's still giving you a headache after all that, you should try to download a free trial of Edius Neo 2.
http://vimeo.com/10189412
He also has a video that was done on a laptop.
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post #737 of 908
3/16/10 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by bighairnee7 View Post

Hey guys. I broke down and got Sony Vegas. What is the best way/format to render my files to playback on a Blueray player. M2TS,MP4???

Did you get Pro or one of the studio Apps? With pro, there is both an mpg2 and an h264 template built in for render to bluray (iirc, they were m2t files and can be used directly in DVD Architect), not sure about vegas studio though. (I imagine it would be similar)
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post #738 of 908
3/16/10 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by Expletive View Post

Did you get Pro or one of the studio Apps? With pro, there is both an mpg2 and an h264 template built in for render to bluray (iirc, they were m2t files and can be used directly in DVD Architect), not sure about vegas studio though. (I imagine it would be similar)

Pro 9.0c
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post #739 of 908
3/16/10 at 4:09pm
Use the option "Make a DVD/Blu-Ray Disc" in the "File" drop-down menu (or something similar to that). It'll take care of the rendering for you. Make sure you've installed the DVD Architect Pro 5 software that should have been included with Vegas. That will allow you to produce discs with menu structures.

Whatever you do, don't try to pre-render the files yourself. I've tried that under Vegas Movie Studio Platinum, and the results were horrible. Let the software do its job.
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post #740 of 908
3/16/10 at 5:13pm
Do you guys know how to advance forward and backward in Sony Vegas one frame at a time preferably with mouse wheel, but arrow keys will do. and be able to hear audio like you can in premiera CS4. Frame by frame with sound, I can do it frame by frame with keyboard but doesnt do sound, or with mouse with sound but thats not frame by frame.
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post #741 of 908
3/17/10 at 5:07am
If you grab the scrubber with the mouse in the middle and slide left/right you get scrubbing with no audio. If you grab the scrubber at the top (the little knob and move it you will get scrubbing WITH audio.

You can move at frame level by zooming in on the time line. The mouse wheel will zoom in/out. If you have a programmable tilt wheel mouse then you can play/reverse the time line by programming J-K-L into the mouse.
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post #742 of 908
3/17/10 at 6:43am
Okay two more issues I found. 1 - I made a 25 clip with a buncha small clips and added some effects. It seemed like I had to apply the effects and the settings for each effect to all the videos, it didn't let me breakdown different effects for different clips in my timeline, you know so if I want noise reduction on one of the clips in my timeline, but on another I want detail enhancer instead can I do that??

Or do the effects and settings for them have to be applied to all the clips, is there a way to have different effects for different clips??

Another issue I ran into was weird, when I selected Blueray 1080 60i template, I click on the audio tab and select to include audio,,, I render the clip, no audio, as a m2ts. Now if I do basicly the same thing but select AVCHD, it makes a m2ts file, include audio, render and boom theres my audio. I'm guessing the AVCHD M2TS will play on blueray just as the blueray template that's AVCHD anyways right???
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post #743 of 908
3/17/10 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by bighairnee7 View Post

I'm guessing the AVCHD M2TS will play on blueray just as the blueray template that's AVCHD anyways right???

I don't remember which "template" I use, but I think it's "Sony AVC" and it's the m2ts file with audio. it will play on a blu-ray just fine. When you render the final file and take it to DVD Architect to burn a blu-ray there won't be any issues.

Brandon
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post #744 of 908
3/17/10 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by bighairnee7 View Post

Okay two more issues I found. 1 - I made a 25 clip with a buncha small clips and added some effects. It seemed like I had to apply the effects and the settings for each effect to all the videos, it didn't let me breakdown different effects for different clips in my timeline, you know so if I want noise reduction on one of the clips in my timeline, but on another I want detail enhancer instead can I do that??

Or do the effects and settings for them have to be applied to all the clips, is there a way to have different effects for different clips??

You can apply effects to one clip at a time or to the entire track in one shot if you wish. It's all in the manual.... which I suggest you sit down and read because there is A LOT under the hood in Vegas.
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post #745 of 908
3/18/10 at 7:50pm
If we can get back to Premiere for a moment, I have a question. Judging from some of the replies here, it looks like there is some misunderstanding as to weather bighairnee7 was trying to burn a blu-ray disk or put something into a blu-ray'ish format. Since I've spoken with him and since I have a similar setup, I'm trying to do the same thing so wanted to be clear. I've not yet sprung the $550'something dollars for Vegas and am attempting to not have to do this if it's possible. So here's what is trying to be attempted as I too am trying to do it.

I'm trying to create video files of the H.264 variant that will play on the PS3 and not burn them to a blu-ray disk but direct stream them.

A lot of people seem to have found this nearly impossible and I haven't found a straight forward way of doing it. Yes, Premiere seems to be able to create blu-ray disks that the PS3 can play. But, I just want to create the H.264 files and then stream them over to a PS3.

There has been some mention of Main Concepts in here so I looked up Main Concepts MPEG Pro. It seems to have countless options; options for the multiplexer, options for the video format, and options for the audio format. But, the question is, "Is there a combination of these options in Main Concept MPEG Pro that will create an H.264 file that a Playstation 3 will play without hitches not when burnt to a blu-ray disk but when streamed or better yet, copied over to the PS3's hard drive and if so, what is the correct combination or profile" Thank you.
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post #746 of 908
3/19/10 at 3:52am
Premiere is not the best thing in the world to use for streaming because it can't produce a M2TS, and M2TS is what you want since it's the native format of Blu Ray.

BUT.... you can still do it. Edit your work in Premiere and when finished render out separate video/audio files (M4V and dolby digital stereo audio file)

Download the (free) TSmuxeR and import your video file to it (TSmuxeR will not automatically see a M4V file but will work with it, so you have to choose *all files types* when trying to open and import the M4V), then click the 'ADD' button and add your audio file. Set TSmuxeR up for a M2TS output, give your file a name, and hit the 'START MUXING' button.

This will mux the audio/video and output a M2TS which can now be streamed to the PS3.
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post #747 of 908
3/19/10 at 5:30am
But what if I purchase Main Concept MPEG Pro which has tons of codecs in it and claims to be a very good importer / exporter for Adobe Premiere promising many formats and combinations? This is what I'm asking. Yes, it is well known that in Premiere, you have to use an external muxer. But if you purchase this plugin from Main Concept, will you then be able to make PS3 compatable video files from within premiere since it incorporates itself into the program? If noone here is familiar with it, it's on http://www.mainconcept.com .
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post #748 of 908
3/19/10 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

Premiere is not the best thing in the world to use for streaming because it can't produce a M2TS, and M2TS is what you want since it's the native format of Blu Ray.

BUT.... you can still do it. Edit your work in Premiere and when finished render out separate video/audio files (M4V and dolby digital stereo audio file)

Download the (free) TSmuxeR and import your video file to it (TSmuxeR will not automatically see a M4V file but will work with it, so you have to choose *all files types* when trying to open and import the M4V), then click the 'ADD' button and add your audio file. Set TSmuxeR up for a M2TS output, give your file a name, and hit the 'START MUXING' button.

This will mux the audio/video and output a M2TS which can now be streamed to the PS3.


Is there any noticable loss in quality when converting m4v out of premiere in tsmuxer as a m2ts? if it's really that easy I might have to give it a try. How long does it take to mux it though? because the rendering takes forever, if it's as long as it takes to adobe to render the m4v file, then that would be kinda unacceptable. Also it's not just PS3 but I guess you have to do that if you want to play your videos in a blueray player.
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post #749 of 908
3/19/10 at 8:32am
So sorry to sorta of change the convo here, but I have a situation in FCP 7. I recently dl'ed the M2TS files from someone who has the Panasonic TM700. I use Toast to convert these files to Apple ProRes 422 then I bring them into my FCP 7 project.

Here is my issue my laptop is not good at playing back 60p (59.94), and I am planing on exporting to the 30p (29.97). So what is the best method of getting this footage to play back smoothly? I simply have just created a new sequence and made the editing time base be 29.97. It seems to fix the issue but I do not know if there is a better way of doing this.

I want to go from 60p to 30p but not in slow-mo. Conforming in CinemaTools all i know makes it slow mo. Do you guys have any recommendations? Or is changing the editing time base in the sequence settings from 59.94 to 29.97 the best way to go about doing this?
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post #750 of 908
3/19/10 at 10:31am
I would just put the files on the time-line and export to the desired frame-rate.
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