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post #331 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I just got all of the features set for the PS3 and I must say the video and sound are excellent. I know I will be playing around with the settings for some time until I get everything set the way I want it. I am using my Dave Koz (The Dance) disk as a reference because it has DTS Digital 5.1, Dolby Digital 5.1, and Advanced Resolution Stereo. I have listened to this so many times on my Denon 2900 so I can compare the sound in A/B tests.

When I listen to this DVD auto my screen reads "Multi Channel In" . Is there a way to have the amp do the decoding and just have the PS3 as a transport. If not, how would you recommend that I set this up to take full advantage of the amp?

Nevermind, I found it. I was able to change it to bitstream and then the amp changed to "DTS Surround"! That was the change I was looking for and there is a huge difference. I am really glad I went searching to find a solution. I will be putting the Denon 2900 up for sale now on ebay.

I'm struggling getting my PS3 setup. Are you doing everything through HDMI, or do you have an optical hooked up? Does this work for Dolby Digital and such too? I am playing a regular DVD on my PS3 and it shows up as stereo. Any help would be appreciated. (As this is a bit OT, feel free to PM me so I don't derail this thread.)

Thanks!!!

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post #332 of 5085
The PCM almost sounded muffled and the bitstream really cleared up everything. The highs are now very clear and the mids bring chills, and the SVS sub seems to be mixing well. My ears are happy after making this change. I amde the change in the PS3 and if anyone needs me to let them know where to go to change this let me know.
post #333 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

The PCM almost sounded muffled and the bitstream really cleared up everything. The highs are now very clear and the mids bring chills, and the SVS sub seems to be mixing well. My ears are happy after making this change. I amde the change in the PS3 and if anyone needs me to let them know where to go to change this let me know.

So I guess that proves you SHOULD let the receiver do the decoding instead of the player.
post #334 of 5085
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Originally Posted by StressPuppy View Post

I'm struggling getting my PS3 setup. Are you doing everything through HDMI, or do you have an optical hooked up? Does this work for Dolby Digital and such too? I am playing a regular DVD on my PS3 and it shows up as stereo. Any help would be appreciated. (As this is a bit OT, feel free to PM me so I don't derail this thread.)

Thanks!!!

I am going to answer in this thread since it seems there are many who are using the PS3 with the new 4308. I am running everything under HDMI and I have spent the better part of a day getting it fine tunned the way I want. I would start by making sure you have the latest version of the firmware. Aftre that go into the system and start making changes to the sound and change HDMI audio out to bitstream as it defaults to PCM.

I have HDMI going into HDMI 2 and you only need to select HDMI when you are setting it up in your system. You do not need to set up the sound to say optical 2 because the video and sound are being sent in the HDMI. I am testing the DVD-A and SACD quality right now and I must say once you get it set up you are going to be very happy. Let me know if you have anymore questions and I will try and help if I can.
post #335 of 5085
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

So I guess that proves you SHOULD let the receiver do the decoding instead of the player.

It sure sounds that way to me. Night and day difference.
post #336 of 5085
Bring On The Blu Ray Transports Now!!!
post #337 of 5085
Well.. My local store just called me and said that my 4308 is there... I dont want to pick it up until I hear the reviews.. has anyone found any reviews yet??? Like CNet or audioholics?? (and I dont mean the prerelease reviews but rather a hardcore review).. Thanks!!!!!
post #338 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

The PCM almost sounded muffled and the bitstream really cleared up everything. The highs are now very clear and the mids bring chills, and the SVS sub seems to be mixing well. My ears are happy after making this change. I amde the change in the PS3 and if anyone needs me to let them know where to go to change this let me know.

You're talking about the PCM that the PS3 converted from DTS, right?
post #339 of 5085
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Originally Posted by Slim GoodBooty View Post

You're talking about the PCM that the PS3 converted from DTS, right?

Yes.
post #340 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I am going to answer in this thread since it seems there are many who are using the PS3 with the new 4308. I am running everything under HDMI and I have spent the better part of a day getting it fine tunned the way I want. I would start by making sure you have the latest version of the firmware. Aftre that go into the system and start making changes to the sound and change HDMI audio out to bitstream as it defaults to PCM.

I have HDMI going into HDMI 2 and you only need to select HDMI when you are setting it up in your system. You do not need to set up the sound to say optical 2 because the video and sound are being sent in the HDMI. I am testing the DVD-A and SACD quality right now and I must say once you get it set up you are going to be very happy. Let me know if you have anymore questions and I will try and help if I can.


PS3 doesn't do DVD-A... SACD only.

Mike
post #341 of 5085
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Originally Posted by BinaryLinguist View Post

PS3 doesn't do DVD-A... SACD only.

Mike

He is correct. It will not play the DVD-A track but, it will play the DTS track that is on most (all) DVD-A. The DTS track is no where near the quality of the DVD-A track.
post #342 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

The PCM almost sounded muffled and the bitstream really cleared up everything. The highs are now very clear and the mids bring chills, and the SVS sub seems to be mixing well. My ears are happy after making this change. I amde the change in the PS3 and if anyone needs me to let them know where to go to change this let me know.

This is for SD-DVDs right? I don't think you can choose "Bitstream" as your output with Blu-Ray disk.
post #343 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I am going to answer in this thread since it seems there are many who are using the PS3 with the new 4308. I am running everything under HDMI and I have spent the better part of a day getting it fine tunned the way I want. I would start by making sure you have the latest version of the firmware. Aftre that go into the system and start making changes to the sound and change HDMI audio out to bitstream as it defaults to PCM.

I have HDMI going into HDMI 2 and you only need to select HDMI when you are setting it up in your system. You do not need to set up the sound to say optical 2 because the video and sound are being sent in the HDMI. I am testing the DVD-A and SACD quality right now and I must say once you get it set up you are going to be very happy. Let me know if you have anymore questions and I will try and help if I can.

If you select "bitstream" you will not get lossless audio on Blu-Ray disks.
post #344 of 5085
can someone somehow compare this machine with the onkyo 875

thanks
post #345 of 5085
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Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post

NO! Not on my 4308 & ps3 combo, no poping.

Thanks for your answer and have a lot of fun with your new toy!

@ DenonLover:
Whats your experience with the PS3 and the 4308 if you are watching Blurays or playing games. Do you have any poping sounds???
post #346 of 5085
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Originally Posted by Babel_Fish View Post

Well.. My local store just called me and said that my 4308 is there... I dont want to pick it up until I hear the reviews.. has anyone found any reviews yet??? Like CNet or audioholics?? (and I dont mean the prerelease reviews but rather a hardcore review).. Thanks!!!!!

any answer for this one yet? Also.. so at this point.. Is there any reason why the 905 (onkyo) or the 8.8 (integra) would look better?? It was stated before that on paper the other units look better but we would have to see how everything was implemented and how the 4308 actually looks.. are we at that point yet? Just curious.
post #347 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

Yes.

The PS3 doesn't have a proper DTS chip. It has to do it in software. It is funny that it makes that kind of difference. It does explain a lot, however.
post #348 of 5085
Can someone take pics of the new GUI?
post #349 of 5085
Hi,

So, got my 4308 yesterday. It's a bit of a complicated animal, but the sound quality is quite impressive. It's a solid step up from my Marantz SR7200.

But... I ripped a bunch of my favorite CDs to loseless WMV files, and have a Media Player 11 server hosting them. On my Xbox360, I have no problem playing them in "album order" (the order they can be played on the CD).

On the 4308, they only come up in alphabetical order. Really annoying. Is there a way to fix this that I'm missing?

John
post #350 of 5085
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Originally Posted by vrmerlin View Post

Hi,

So, got my 4308 yesterday. It's a bit of a complicated animal, but the sound quality is quite impressive. It's a solid step up from my Marantz SR7200.

But... I ripped a bunch of my favorite CDs to loseless WMV files, and have a Media Player 11 server hosting them. On my Xbox360, I have no problem playing them in "album order" (the order they can be played on the CD).

On the 4308, they only come up in alphabetical order. Really annoying. Is there a way to fix this that I'm missing?

John

Are you talking alphabetical by filename or by info in the IDv3 tag? If its filename, download MP3Tag and convert your filenames based on the id so track number is inserted first.


Does Denon play the entore CD or folder when you select a track or do you need to continuously slect tracks?

Any iTunes support? They said yes, but no mention in the manual.

Mike
post #351 of 5085
Hi Guys

I have not read any of this thread as of yet and Im jumping right in with my comments after spending a few days with the 4308. I bought this for the HDMI 1.3 inputs.

So far the hand shaking has been a night mare. My source are as follows, digital cable, HTPC server HD content, BD,HD DVD.
I find I have to try different order of plug in to get the receiver to see everything. Then at time if I switch from one source to another and go back it no longer sees the last source. What a nightmare. It refuses to see my Pioneer elite BD player. All this is hooked to my Sim FP. Once the hand shaking breaks down if I switch my projector ( HDCP capadible ) to a different input not being used the audio locks on and if I switch back to the input used all is well again. I have to use different tricks to get different source to lock on again. I was previously using my Panasonic SA XR700 with two HDMI inputs and did not experience any issues. I bought into the Denon for the additional HDMI inputs and I was intrigued about the 1.3.
Am I the only one with the hand shaking issues. Will there be a down load to fix this. I will spend some time tonight and read through this thread.
Thanks for your help.
post #352 of 5085
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Hi Guys

I have not read any of this thread as of yet and Im jumping right in with my comments after spending a few days with the 4308. I bought this for the HDMI 1.3 inputs.

So far the hand shaking has been a night mare. My source are as follows, digital cable, HTPC server HD content, BD,HD DVD.
I find I have to try different order of plug in to get the receiver to see everything. Then at time if I switch from one source to another and go back it no longer sees the last source. What a nightmare. It refuses to see my Pioneer elite BD player. All this is hooked to my Sim FP. Once the hand shaking breaks down if I switch my projector ( HDCP capadible ) to a different input not being used the audio locks on and if I switch back to the input used all is well again. I have to use different tricks to get different source to lock on again. I was previously using my Panasonic SA XR700 with two HDMI inputs and did not experience any issues. I bought into the Denon for the additional HDMI inputs and I was intrigued about the 1.3.
Am I the only one with the hand shaking issues. Will there be a down load to fix this. I will spend some time tonight and read through this thread.
Thanks for your help.

I have the 4308 connected to 2 displays and have had no HDCP issues. I have a 94HD and it works perfectly, including 24p, though the 4308.
post #353 of 5085
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Hi Guys

I have not read any of this thread as of yet and Im jumping right in with my comments after spending a few days with the 4308. I bought this for the HDMI 1.3 inputs.

So far the hand shaking has been a night mare. My source are as follows, digital cable, HTPC server HD content, BD,HD DVD.
I find I have to try different order of plug in to get the receiver to see everything. Then at time if I switch from one source to another and go back it no longer sees the last source. What a nightmare. It refuses to see my Pioneer elite BD player. All this is hooked to my Sim FP. Once the hand shaking breaks down if I switch my projector ( HDCP capadible ) to a different input not being used the audio locks on and if I switch back to the input used all is well again. I have to use different tricks to get different source to lock on again. I was previously using my Panasonic SA XR700 with two HDMI inputs and did not experience any issues. I bought into the Denon for the additional HDMI inputs and I was intrigued about the 1.3.
Am I the only one with the hand shaking issues. Will there be a down load to fix this. I will spend some time tonight and read through this thread.
Thanks for your help.

This is not the kind of news we want to hear. I would assume this same issue is present in the 3808 too. I was really hoping that 1.3 switching in these new receivers would eliminate the HDMI handshake issues.

The irony for me is that my cheapo Monoprice HDMI switcher has been, by far, the most reliable HDMI switcher I've had. I had a variety of Gefens and the Monoprice proved to be the best.

Alan, 'hopefully' you simply have a bad unit.
post #354 of 5085
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Hi Guys

I have not read any of this thread as of yet and Im jumping right in with my comments after spending a few days with the 4308. I bought this for the HDMI 1.3 inputs.

So far the hand shaking has been a night mare. My source are as follows, digital cable, HTPC server HD content, BD,HD DVD.
I find I have to try different order of plug in to get the receiver to see everything. Then at time if I switch from one source to another and go back it no longer sees the last source. What a nightmare. It refuses to see my Pioneer elite BD player. All this is hooked to my Sim FP. Once the hand shaking breaks down if I switch my projector ( HDCP capadible ) to a different input not being used the audio locks on and if I switch back to the input used all is well again. I have to use different tricks to get different source to lock on again. I was previously using my Panasonic SA XR700 with two HDMI inputs and did not experience any issues. I bought into the Denon for the additional HDMI inputs and I was intrigued about the 1.3.
Am I the only one with the hand shaking issues. Will there be a down load to fix this. I will spend some time tonight and read through this thread.
Thanks for your help.

I previously was using a Radiient HDMI switch, before I got my 3808. I had lots of handshaking issues with the Radiient, I even had to unplug the power from my TV a couple of times to get it to sync. In the few days I have had my 3808, it has performed way better in this respect. It has worked without problem except for one time, I switched to another source, then back, and then it synced.

It is possible that your hdmi cables or your projector could have some affect with this issue, especially when using DVI-HDMI cables.
post #355 of 5085
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Am I the only one with the hand shaking issues. Will there be a down load to fix this. I will spend some time tonight and read through this thread.
Thanks for your help.

Are you manually assigning an HDMI connection to a source, or letting it do the Auto thing?

BTW, there is a firmware update for the receiver. The only thing that I have noticed so far is that it fixes the Standby/Power Off problem.
post #356 of 5085
John, what was the 'standby/power off problem' and how do you get the firmware update? Is this simply done by a USB stick?
post #357 of 5085
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mark.hannis View Post

Can someone take pics of the new GUI?

Any specific areas? There are many nested menus throughout the GUI. I put a picture in the opening of this thread that shows the speaker setup area of the GUI. In another post, I showed a picture of the GUI while streaming music from my PC. Let me knowwhat you are looking for and I will try and get something for you.
post #358 of 5085
Has anyone successfully setup audio streaming to an Apple Mac? Someone asked this question earlier, but I did not see a response. I have tried updating all of the File Sharing preferences and nothing seems to work. I'm assuming that if everything was setup correctly that my computer name would show up in the list when I select the NET/USB source item, along with Internet Radio (which works fine).
post #359 of 5085
Its encouraging to hear others are not having trouble.

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Originally Posted by DuallyDave View Post


It is possible that your hdmi cables or your projector could have some affect with this issue, especially when using DVI-HDMI cables.

I thought of this as well. All cables are good. If I bypass the Denon everything locks just fine. Using the Panasonic receiver with the same chain of source everything worked great.

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Originally Posted by DVRDude View Post

Are you manually assigning an HDMI connection to a source, or letting it do the Auto thing?

I have tried both. Same results.

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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

John, what was the 'standby/power off problem' and how do you get the firmware update? Is this simply done by a USB stick?

Ken you beat me to it. Good questions!
post #360 of 5085
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

John, what was the 'standby/power off problem' and how do you get the firmware update? Is this simply done by a USB stick?

The quirk that I found was that pressing the On/Standby switch alternately turned the receiver On (Green) or Off (Red). It should not work that way. The only way to turn the receiver truely Off should be with the little power switch to the right. Why this is a problem for me is that I use Homeseer and MainLobby as my home automation system. MainLobby can control the Denon through its network interface. If the receiver is in the "Off" state, so is the network interface - can't turn it On remotely. The firmware update fixed this, in that now the On/Standby switch alternates between On (Green) and Standby (also Green).

The firmware update is done over the network. Assuming that you have your network connection setup, you go into Manual Setup -> Option -> Firmware Update
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