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post #4981 of 5085
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Although the version of XT and Dyn EQ are exactly the same as on the 7005, the XX09 and newer models (to include the 7005) feature a "Reference Level Offset" setting that reduces the bass boost at lower reference levels which is especially helpful to improve the center channel dialog for TV and music sources. You can do something similar by lowering the Source Level setting by -10db and then increasing the master volume by +10db.
You nailed it. I did spend some time looking for the non-existent RLO setting. The previous owner had all the sources set at +10 dB. Lowering the Blu-ray to 0 dB and the DVR to -10 dB helped a lot.

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post #4982 of 5085
This is weird. xpa 5 running sl c sr. xpa2 running fl fr. put zone 3 on and music was coming out of my sl sr speakers plus zone 3. any ideas? Im thinkin I have to switch something around in amp assign. Thing is when juat using xpa5 w/ denon 4308 this never happened. Under amp assign I have zone 2 zone 3 mono. What am I doing wrong?
Other then that the xpa2 is great! I still cant upload pictures.
Any thoughts/help guys?


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post #4983 of 5085
With AMP ASSIGN set to Zones 2/3 (mono), you should have a single Zone 2 speaker connected to the SBL posts and a single Zone 3 speaker connected to the SBR speaker posts. Is this the case? Also when you turned Zone 3 ON, did you turn the main zone OFF? What source audio are you passing to Zone 3?

Also note, the other 4308 thread you posted in you responded to a 3 year old post. eek.gif
post #4984 of 5085
Yes that is the case. Turning main zone off fixes issue. Turn main zone back on sound from sl n sr plus zone
3. Net/usb source specifically internet radio. Wasnt tryin to Hate, just couldnt believe u said that.
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion. Btw thanks for responding. Have to get this thread goin
again.
post #4985 of 5085
Well guys I am finally going to jump ship and move to the Denon 4520 when it comes out here in the next few weeks. Looks like my 4308 will be going up for sale and trying to decide between ebay and craigslist...
post #4986 of 5085
My 4308 and 3312 have both had extensive problems with streaming and HDMI boards that had to be replaced plus countless freezing, rebooting issues.

Why would anyone buy this product without others suffering the bugs of a new Denon receiver never mind the ones we have in our homes that don't work?

I'm not bashing because I'm living the Denon nightmare.

What leads you to believe that the next Denon will not be just as bad from a quality control perspective and be plagued with HDMI , streaming and freezing issues?

Thank you
post #4987 of 5085
My 4308 has been rock solid...
post #4988 of 5085
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Originally Posted by filcro1 View Post

My 4308 and 3312 have both had extensive problems with streaming and HDMI boards that had to be replaced plus countless freezing, rebooting issues.
Why would anyone buy this product without others suffering the bugs of a new Denon receiver never mind the ones we have in our homes that don't work?
I'm not bashing because I'm living the Denon nightmare.
What leads you to believe that the next Denon will not be just as bad from a quality control perspective and be plagued with HDMI , streaming and freezing issues?
Thank you

While it is unfortunate that you have experienced so many problems, I don't agree that it is an indication that Denon products are unreliable or suffer from quality control issues. I am on my third Denon AVR (4802, 4308, and now a 4311), and all have been problem-free. If there were serious quality issues, the Denon threads would be filled with reports, and that just isn't the case.
post #4989 of 5085
Fwiw, my 4308CI is almost 5 years in service trouble free.

W/o access to warranty data we are speculating here, however there does appear to be more complaints against Onkyo than Denon on this forum.


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post #4990 of 5085
Holy crap! Cleaning the mic hole worked! Yes! Thanks smoothie!
post #4991 of 5085
The internal amp for my 4308 on the Front Left seems to of died or is not getting the juice it needs. It does it for tuner and multiple sources across the board. Nothing else seems off or wrong. Already switched right and left so it is not the cable, or speaker (which would be equally depressing) and is just something relating to the front left posts or amp. Reset did not help. Wish i could turn off the front amps and just assign zone 3 to front left/right if there was a chance of no further damage.

Figured would toss something here see if anyone had that happen before or any ideas. What might a repair run on it, ballpark? I did not have time open it and inspect anything, but did not get any ozone smell so likely not a visible short or anything.
post #4992 of 5085
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Originally Posted by lonestarr View Post

The internal amp for my 4308 on the Front Left seems to of died or is not getting the juice it needs. It does it for tuner and multiple sources across the board. Nothing else seems off or wrong. Already switched right and left so it is not the cable, or speaker (which would be equally depressing) and is just something relating to the front left posts or amp. Reset did not help. Wish i could turn off the front amps and just assign zone 3 to front left/right if there was a chance of no further damage.
Figured would toss something here see if anyone had that happen before or any ideas. What might a repair run on it, ballpark? I did not have time open it and inspect anything, but did not get any ozone smell so likely not a visible short or anything.

I just replaced my 4308 and will be listing it for sale here on AVS soon. PM me if you are interested in replacing yours, rather than repairing it.
post #4993 of 5085
Hello, looking for some help as I just inherited this unit.
1. Ran the audyssey setup - how is is selected to use on all inputs.
2. Can you make changes to the audyssey settings? Like channel volume level- small/large? Where in the menu do you do this.
Thanks in advance
post #4994 of 5085
1. Audyssey applies to all inputs (except the EXT IN) by default.
2. Make changes to the speakers in Manual Setup.
post #4995 of 5085
Ok thanks- so I take it that manual settings will override the audyssey settings of the values I change? Can you increase speaker volumes/levels in manual and the will apply to audyssey setting? Thanks
post #4996 of 5085
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Originally Posted by keeper View Post

Ok thanks- so I take it that manual settings will override the audyssey settings of the values I change? Can you increase speaker volumes/levels in manual and the will apply to audyssey setting? Thanks

You don't want to use manual and lose all benefits of Audyssey. Just hit the enter button and cycle through the speakers to change their volume to your liking
post #4997 of 5085
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Originally Posted by keeper View Post

Ok thanks- so I take it that manual settings will override the audyssey settings of the values I change? Can you increase speaker volumes/levels in manual and the will apply to audyssey setting? Thanks

Correct. The Manual Setup settings (SMALL/LARGE, crossovers, etc.) become the "active" settings, although will not impact the Audyssey filters. Review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig to get a better understanding of how to best use the setup mic.
post #4998 of 5085
Haha- still confused. Want to use Audyssey setting but change fronts to small- they were changed to large and also increase center speaker volume. If I do this in manual this wont erase the rest of audyssey. I am thinking that once you run audyssey those setting and values get transferred to manual where you can make changes but still the rest of the audyssey setting remain in tact. Thanks again
post #4999 of 5085
Audyssey doesn't set those changes you want to make (rather the AVR does) so adjusting them will not impact the Audyssey filters.
post #5000 of 5085
Ok thanks a lot.
post #5001 of 5085
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

My 4308 has been rock solid...

Ditto,

Just sold my rock solid 4308 for $450 after almost 5 years of use!
post #5002 of 5085
Does anyone know what the "Color Space" and "RGB Range" settings are used for under the "HDMI Setup" setup menu? I would have thought that they would be used to set the color space of the signal being sent out the HDMI output. However, when I go to the "HDMI Signal Information" menu, which provides info about both the input and output HDMI signal, it appears that if I input a YCbCr signal it will output a YCbCr signal and if I input an RGB signal it will output an RGB signal, regardless of what the settings are in the "HDMI Setup" menu. Does this make sense?

Thanks

Loren
post #5003 of 5085
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Originally Posted by lorenmc View Post

Does anyone know what the "Color Space" and "RGB Range" settings are used for under the "HDMI Setup" setup menu? I would have thought that they would be used to set the color space of the signal being sent out the HDMI output. However, when I go to the "HDMI Signal Information" menu, which provides info about both the input and output HDMI signal, it appears that if I input a YCbCr signal it will output a YCbCr signal and if I input an RGB signal it will output an RGB signal, regardless of what the settings are in the "HDMI Setup" menu. Does this make sense?
Thanks
Loren

Can anyone shed some light on this please?

Thanks
post #5004 of 5085
I think that they ONLY apply to analogue inputs and how they are converted to HDMI for you.
post #5005 of 5085
NET / USB Does not play the :right" song picked from my NAS.

I've had the Denon 4308IC for many years and it's always had the FAULT of not playing the right song picked or it will keep playing the same songs over and over even if there are 500 songs in the folder.

Has anyone fixed this issue?

Thank you
post #5006 of 5085
Same here.

I've learned to go to playback mode and cycle the repeat and random options on/off before playing music from my upnp server, and that seems to "fix" the problem until the next 4308 power cycle.

Also, my 4308 has picked up the annoying habit of not being able to find my upnp server after a reboot. I have to completely power off the 4308, then back on to "fix" the problem. This "feature" was introduced in one of the later firmware updates, but I don't know which one.
post #5007 of 5085
Me too!! I'm sorry for you but I'm glad I'm not alone.
post #5008 of 5085
I just moved my trusty 4308CI from the basement HT to the family room - since the 4520CI is now down there.
In the family room it will power my 14 year old Atlantic Technology System 350's 5.1 set-up as your basic open floor pan family room set-up.
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After I ran the Audyssey XT the front R/L came back as Large, but the trim was set at +12db.
I changed them to small and set the xover at 80hz.
The center and surrounds both came back as small with 100hz xover.

Any reason why just the front R/L would come back with trim needing that much boost?
The center and surrounds came back with trims around +3db, the sub -1db, so all the others in their position came back "normal"

The speakers are all 4ohm, and it's a know fact the Denon 4308CI does not like to drive some 4ohm speakers.
Question:
Since this is only a 5.1 set-up, I could bi-amp the fronts for more power - there are un-used amps, should I do that? Would doing that help my mains then trim closer to 0db?
The audyssey setup guide is vague on what to do when speaker trims at +12db except saying go to ask audyssey. I could do that.
Most of the time the AVR will never be listened at reference 0db, but there is that possibly once in a while......
(I set volume limit at 0db so it can never go above that)
Here is the Atlantic Technology System 350's spec sheet.

Edited by mtbdudex - 12/7/12 at 2:22am
post #5009 of 5085
AFAIK +/-12dB means "I can't get the level I wanted". I expect you are not getting the SPL in the size of space for those speakers and you need something with more sensitivity. Or, you could cheat and move the mail listening position (the first mike position) closer to the front?
post #5010 of 5085
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Originally Posted by Peter Galbavy View Post

AFAIK +/-12dB means "I can't get the level I wanted". I expect you are not getting the SPL in the size of space for those speakers and you need something with more sensitivity. Or, you could cheat and move the mail listening position (the first mike position) closer to the front?
Well, I own those so desire is use them.

I'll try putting the MLP 2 feet closer and see what happens, thx for suggestion.
Yes, there is lots of open ceilings 25 feet high, so the audyssey mic sees loss of soundfield.

Now, being 90db/w is not the most sensitive, plus 4ohm load taxes the AVR, that's why I thought bi-amp might help, I'll try that also.

Now, what about buying the -6db or -12db in line attenuators for use on the center and surrounds?
Those would in effect bring the mains closer.

As I type that just realized those only work on the low level signal, not the high current speaker wire side, so not possible for my issue.



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