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post #4501 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Well, the situation is complex. My first listening was with a rented copy but the one I have now is the retail "Ultimate" edition. Popped in and played, the audio is quite dynamic. I did fiddle with the playback modes and, once, found that the sound was compressed when I returned to the straight THD mode. This was cured by pushing the "Late Night" button once but that would not have been necessary had I not screwed around intentionally. So, no real conclusion until and unless I decide to watch the movie again.

Kal,

Out of curiousity when you press the "Late Night" button does it show on the 885/9.8s display that it is off? In other words if you press the button each time does it show each setting as you go? I have not watched a TrueHD disc since this has been discussed.

Bill
post #4502 of 5571
If you press the button once, it shows the current status. Subsequent pressings cycle it. (Not Kal. )
post #4503 of 5571
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

If you press the button once, it shows the current status. Subsequent pressings cycle it. (Not Kal. )

I know that and what I found is curious and, so far, unreproducible. Hit button once and it showed AUTO when I was in ALL STEREO. Cycled back to THD and it still said AUTO. Hit it to cycle through OFF (and AUTO) and the compression went away.

May have been a fluke as the THD was not compressed by default with the Auto setting. Gotta say that this interests me little.
post #4504 of 5571
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Not Kal.

Are you sure? Thanks for letting me know. Silly question I know but I was just curious.

Bill
post #4505 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Are you sure? Thanks for letting me know. Silly question I know but I was just curious.

Bill

post #4506 of 5571
Another new 885 owner here! Pulled the trigger on Saturday after enough research to realize its a no-brainer at $799. Seems everything on the horizon for less than $2,500 is playing catch up to the 885/9.8 in terms of features and potentially sound quality. I was originally going in the direction of a used Anthem AVM 20/30 or Sunfire TGP5, but consistently excellent reviews, current technology and great value swayed me towards the 885.

I'm still using my five year old Mitsubishi Diamond Series 65" rear projection TV. It's 1080i and does not feature HDMI. Am I going to have any issues integrating it with the 885? I will replace it, but probably not before the end of the year. Also, should I stick with my Denon 2900 for standard DVDs? I will pick up a PS3 for Blue Ray.

As for my other equipment....amp is a Rotel RMB-985, sub is a B&W ASW 3000, speakers are B&W Nautilus 805s up front and DM6s in the rear.

Any and all thoughts, recommendations and comments are welcome.

Dave
post #4507 of 5571
A little TrueHD update here. I watched The Davinci Code last night which has a TrueHD track. I checked the 885 with the Late Night button and it showed Auto as the movie was playing. I set the Late Night to Off and then turned the 885 off. Powered back up and the Late Night setting was back to the Auto setting. This is how the manual states the Late Night setting will function with TrueHD tracks.

In the future I will check the Late Night setting when watching anything with a TrueHD track just in case to see if it goes to the On setting (as with Ironman). I want to make sure I am getting the most bang (pardon the pun)for my listening pleasure.

Bill
post #4508 of 5571
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Originally Posted by dlodi View Post

Another new 885 owner here! Pulled the trigger on Saturday after enough research to realize its a no-brainer at $799. Seems everything on the horizon for less than $2,500 is playing catch up to the 885/9.8 in terms of features and potentially sound quality. I was originally going in the direction of a used Anthem AVM 20/30 or Sunfire TGP5, but consistently excellent reviews, current technology and great value swayed me towards the 885.

I'm still using my five year old Mitsubishi Diamond Series 65" rear projection TV. It's 1080i and does not feature HDMI. Am I going to have any issues integrating it with the 885? I will replace it, but probably not before the end of the year. Also, should I stick with my Denon 2900 for standard DVDs? I will pick up a PS3 for Blue Ray.

As for my other equipment....amp is a Rotel RMB-985, sub is a B&W ASW 3000, speakers are B&W Nautilus 805s up front and DM6s in the rear.

Any and all thoughts, recommendations and comments are welcome.

Dave

Dave,

I have the WS-65813 Mits which only has a DVI connector. I just purchased a HDMI-DVI cable to run from the Onkyo to the Mits and have no issues.

James
post #4509 of 5571
James, I have to go back and look at the model number. There are/were a couple of different models in the Diamond Series, and unfortunately mine does not have DVI. There is an expansion slot as I recall, so maybe it can be added...not sure. I will double check my documentation to see which one I have when I get home. Likely mine pre-dates yours.

I wouldn't think there is an issue with hooking the 885 up via the component inputs but thought I'd toss it out there for clarification. I recall someone having an issues seeing onscreen menus via component, but maybe that was a fluke.

Dave
post #4510 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

A little TrueHD update here. I watched The Davinci Code last night which has a TrueHD track. I checked the 885 with the Late Night button and it showed Auto as the movie was playing. I set the Late Night to Off and then turned the 885 off. Powered back up and the Late Night setting was back to the Auto setting. This is how the manual states the Late Night setting will function with TrueHD tracks.

In the future I will check the Late Night setting when watching anything with a TrueHD track just in case to see if it goes to the On setting (as with Ironman). I want to make sure I am getting the most bang (pardon the pun)for my listening pleasure.

Bill

I checked this on my 9.8 and with the Iron Man Ultimate 2-disc Edition it set dynamic EQ to "AUTO" and I had to manually change it to "OFF". If I shut the 9.8 off and then back on it would go back to "AUTO"

I then checked Transformers and it also sets it to "AUTO" so I guess that is how the unit works.

I take it that it should be set to "OFF" for the best sound?

What is the difference between "AUTO" and "ON"?
post #4511 of 5571
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Originally Posted by A/Vspec View Post

I checked this on my 9.8 and with the Iron Man Ultimate 2-disc Edition it set dynamic EQ to "AUTO" and I had to manually change it to "OFF". If I shut the 9.8 off and then back on it would go back to "AUTO"

I then checked Transformers and it also sets it to "AUTO" so I guess that is how the unit works.

I take it that it should be set to "OFF" for the best sound?

What is the difference between "AUTO" and "ON"?

AUTO lets the content decide. Works fine until some content is improperly flagged. OFF is off and ON is . . .
post #4512 of 5571
Dave,

I would not see a problem with using component (although I have not read every thread in here). Just search for component and see what it catches.

Also, my understanding (and anyone can correct me if I am wrong) but any device you connect to the 885 with HDMI will not output through the component cables to the Mits.

James
post #4513 of 5571
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

AUTO lets the content decide. Works fine until some content is improperly flagged. OFF is off and ON is . . .

Got it... so with Iron Man you would need to listen to it both ways and see if it makes a difference to know if you have a properly flagged disc?
post #4514 of 5571
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Originally Posted by A/Vspec View Post

Got it... so with Iron Man you would need to listen to it both ways and see if it makes a difference to know if you have a properly flagged disc?

Iron Man is the one disc that I have read that will default the 885/9.8 to the On position. What you can do when watching a movie in TrueHD is press the Late Night button while the movie is playing at the very beginning. If it the display shows Auto then you are all set. If it says On then the disc is not properly flagged and you need to change the setting to Off. You can always set it to Off at the beginning just to be sure if you want. No need to listen to it both ways just check the setting at the start of the movie to see if you have a properly flagged disc.

Bill
post #4515 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

No need to listen to it both ways just check the setting at the start of the movie to see if you have a properly flagged disc.

Bill

Thanks for the correction. I deleted my erroneous information.
post #4516 of 5571
I'm wondering if I'm the only one that is having problems getting the remote to control other components. I've reset it, programmed it with the supplied codes for my components to no avail. While it isn't an issue that would cause me to send this back, it is annoying as hell. I downloaded the proper code list and it jives with the printed one that came with the unit.

I'm not ready to just up and buy a Harmony one, but I'm close.
post #4517 of 5571
In my experience this remote is one of the worst I've come across in this regard. It runs the unit and that seems to be it. Of course a lot of my gear is older but---

My old HK635 remote was far better than this ... so much so I had put my Harmony away. Time to break it out again.
post #4518 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

I'm wondering if I'm the only one that is having problems getting the remote to control other components. I've reset it, programmed it with the supplied codes for my components to no avail. While it isn't an issue that would cause me to send this back, it is annoying as hell. I downloaded the proper code list and it jives with the printed one that came with the unit.

I'm not ready to just up and buy a Harmony one, but I'm close.

I never used the Onkyo remote for either the 805 or the 885. I just break it out for tweaking or setting up Audyssey. I guess I could set up my Harmony 688 for that but probably not worth the bother. Harmony has other remotes that are not as expensive as the One.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/re...otes/&cl=us,en

When I bought the 688 I believe it was one of Harmony's less expensive remotes. It has worked quite well after I figured out some the little tricks to set it up properly (very computer challenged). I would be lost without it and it is great for the whole family. Nothing better than pushing one button to turn everything on for a specific function as well as all the correct settings as well (inputs/outputs for prepro and TV etc.).

Bill
post #4519 of 5571
Hey Bill,

I've got the same Harmony and haven't used it in over 3 years. Pissed the Mrs. off but good since she said never again would she pay that kind of money for a stupid remote (one of my Xmas presents in '05, I think). She doesn't want to know what some remotes cost.

When the HK 635 showed up I fell in love with that big boootiful silver wonder of a remote and never looked back. Hell, I asked for the 688 for her in the first place since it had those simple activity hot buttons. She never used the darn thing...would rather make fun of me and my overflowing remote basket then learn how to use it. Women? What can ya do?

Anywhooooo, got the 688 all freshly batteried, upgraded software, shoot the works and have to say this is a sweet piece now and works much better than before. The activity setups work like a charm. I'm shocked at how much of the component menus are in there, although they can still be cumbersome to use. Like why are the power toggles for most units at the end of the menu?

Hope you're still enjoying the 885 as much as I am as a new user. I really love this piece and now have it dialed in where I want it. Sweet!

Also, don't know if you saw the thread I opened on the new V-DAC from Musical Fidelity. I know we already own basically digital machines in the 885 but hey! ...that write-up has me thinking.
post #4520 of 5571
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Hey Bill,

I've got the same Harmony and haven't used it in over 3 years. Pissed the Mrs. off but good since she said never again would she pay that kind of money for a stupid remote (one of my Xmas presents in '05, I think). She doesn't want to know what some remotes cost.

When the HK 635 showed up I fell in love with that big boootiful silver wonder of a remote and never looked back. Hell, I asked for the 688 for her in the first place since it had those simple activity hot buttons. She never used the darn thing...would rather make fun of me and my overflowing remote basket then learn how to use it. Women? What can ya do?

Anywhooooo, got the 688 all freshly batteried, upgraded software, shoot the works and have to say this is a sweet piece now and works much better than before. The activity setups work like a charm. I'm shocked at how much of the component menus are in there, although they can still be cumbersome to use. Like why are the power toggles for most units at the end of the menu?

Hope you're still enjoying the 885 as much as I am as a new user. I really love this piece and now have it dialed in where I want it. Sweet!

Also, don't know if you saw the thread I opened on the new V-DAC from Musical Fidelity. I know we already own basically digital machines in the 885 but hey! ...that write-up has me thinking.

Paul,

Glad to hear you have the Harmony back in service. I am sure your wife will like the one button approach and will forget about the cost.

I am enjoying the 885 as well and feel I have it dialed in as good as I can get it. Audyssey takes all the guess work out of it and now I do not wonder if it is setup properly. When I had the BA AVP7 a ways back I always felt I did not have it set up correctly.

I have not seen the V-DAC thread yet. Is it in this forum or the 2 CH forum? I have added a TADAC preamp/DAC to my system for 2 CH listening and it sounds excellent. So no harm and adding an external DAC that is for sure IMO. Here is a link to the TADAC:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bizzyb/TADAC.html

There is quite a bit of talk about the TADAC as well in Zissou's Best Sounding Prepros...thread.

Bill
post #4521 of 5571
I still have trouble getting anything out of the HDMI-out ports. I can get the OSD to work if I turn off the source, go into Setup->select HDMI monitor out->Main (if connected to Main)->Resolution->Through. But if I exit the Setup menu, and turn on the source, no picture. Tried both HDMI-outs, different cables, different sources, turned off 24Hz movie frame on the source, reset the 885 osv..

So I guess something is wrong with it. Maybe loading newer firmware could do the trick?

The sources have been connected to a Lumagen Radiance scaler, where output one is connected to the RS-1 projector, and output two is connected to HDMI-input one on the 885. This works, but the Radiance can`t pass bitstream DTS-MA. So I want to put the Radiance after the 885 in the chain, but then the HDMI-out on the 885 has to work..

Gunnar
post #4522 of 5571
I may have missed it but does using the setup without the scaler at all result in the same problem?

If so, then either the 885 is dodgy and should be replaced (it's not a firmware fix), or there's a cable that is having trouble somewhere.
post #4523 of 5571
Bill,

Yes, it's in this forum. Wasn't sure whether I should have posted it over in the 2 channel or here. Sorry I should have linked to it...my bad.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post16416109

I'm sure this poor man's DAC is not needed when you have the TADAC. Enjoy!

Paul
post #4524 of 5571
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Bill,

Yes, it's in this forum. Wasn't sure whether I should have posted it over in the 2 channel or here. Sorry I should have linked to it...my bad.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post16416109

I'm sure this poor man's DAC is not needed when you have the TADAC. Enjoy!

Paul

Paul,

I just checked out the V-DAC on the MF site. Looks to be a nice unit especially for the price. Have you bought one? I see Audio Advisor and Listen Up have them for sale. Both great on-line retailers that you could buy from and have the 30 day return policy if it does not work for you. I would not call it a poor mans DAC, you never know coming from MF.

Bill
post #4525 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

I'm wondering if I'm the only one that is having problems getting the remote to control other components. I've reset it, programmed it with the supplied codes for my components to no avail. While it isn't an issue that would cause me to send this back, it is annoying as hell. I downloaded the proper code list and it jives with the printed one that came with the unit.

I'm not ready to just up and buy a Harmony one, but I'm close.

Yeah, the remote issue isn't enough to send this back, but this is:

Heres a first! Quoting myself. Turns out the remote programing problem is the least of my worries. It appears the video processing chip(s) decided to take a dump on me last night, so....the 885 is on its way back to New Jersey. It was getting somewhat slow in switching video sources, taking as long as 10-12 seconds to make the switch the past few days. I figured something was going on, and last night when I went from the DVD player back to the Sat box, all I got was a nice pattern of green and pink lines. Sometimes just a pretty (in) pink screen.
Onkyo was kind enough to pay the freight back to them. They'll send me another as soon as they get this one, and its already on its way.

And so it goes!

Listening to the HK 3480 driving the Emo 8.3s. Sounds ok, but no 5.1 tonight.
post #4526 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

Yeah, the remote issue isn't enough to send this back, but this is:

Heres a first! Quoting myself. Turns out the remote programing problem is the least of my worries. It appears the video processing chip(s) decided to take a dump on me last night, so....the 885 is on its way back to New Jersey. It was getting somewhat slow in switching video sources, taking as long as 10-12 seconds to make the switch the past few days. I figured something was going on, and last night when I went from the DVD player back to the Sat box, all I got was a nice pattern of green and pink lines. Sometimes just a pretty (in) pink screen.
Onkyo was kind enough to pay the freight back to them. They'll send me another as soon as they get this one, and its already on its way.

And so it goes!

Listening to the HK 3480 driving the Emo 8.3s. Sounds ok, but no 5.1 tonight.

Sorry to hear that but it was good of Onkyo to pay the shipping back to them. Also pretty good that they are sending you another unit so you do not have to wait for the defective one to be fixed. Hopefully they will get it back to you as soon as possible. Did you buy it as a refurb from shoponkyo?

Bill
post #4527 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Sorry to hear that but it was good of Onkyo to pay the shipping back to them. Also pretty good that they are sending you another unit so you do not have to wait for the defective one to be fixed. Hopefully they will get it back to you as soon as possible. Did you buy it as a refurb from shoponkyo?

Bill

Yeah, refurb, got in on the $529 deal. I still feel a little like I stole it. It looked like new when I got it, so I hope the next one is cosmetically as clean. I think I'll survive with 2 channel for a few weeks. If not I'll yard the 506 out of the BR and see if it can drive 4 ohm speakers. No preamp output on that.

Inside a 30 day window they pay the shipping back, outside of that I'd have had to pay. Although I bought it over 30 days ago, I only had it less than 30 days. Once I pointed that out, they decided to pay shipping. From all I've heard about how crappy Onkyo customer service is, I expected less. Right now I'm feeling pretty good about them. I hope it stays that way.
post #4528 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

Yeah, refurb, got in on the $529 deal. I still feel a little like I stole it. It looked like new when I got it, so I hope the next one is cosmetically as clean. I think I'll survive with 2 channel for a few weeks. If not I'll yard the 506 out of the BR and see if it can drive 4 ohm speakers. No preamp output on that.

Inside a 30 day window they pay the shipping back, outside of that I'd have had to pay. Although I bought it over 30 days ago, I only had it less than 30 days. Once I pointed that out, they decided to pay shipping. From all I've heard about how crappy Onkyo customer service is, I expected less. Right now I'm feeling pretty good about them. I hope it stays that way.

If yours was like mine it was a brand new unit. Maybe you can talk them into sending you a 886 if there are no 885s left. It is good to here something positive about Onkyo service for a change.

Bill
post #4529 of 5571
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

If yours was like mine it was a brand new unit. Maybe you can talk them into sending you a 886 if there are no 885s left. It is good to here something positive about Onkyo service for a change.

Bill

Heck yeah, I'd take a refurbed 886 - if I had to.
But they have 885 units just waiting for ones like mine that need replacing and thats what I'll get.

The Onkyo customer service people were nice and polite, and very helpful. Very different than what I've heard from others here. I was on the phone for maybe 15 minutes total! Unheard of!
post #4530 of 5571
I have the 885 and when I change the listening mode to PL II Movie , I only get sound out of the center channel. When I select PL II Music I get sound out of all 5 channels. Is this the way it should be, or am I doing something wrong?

PreAmp = Onkyo PRO 885
Amp = Emotiva XPA-5
Source = Directv HR22-100

Thank You Bob H.
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