Originally Posted by pepar
I have heard (and owned) mid-level Denons, the Integra Research (RDC-7) and Onkyo Pro 885. Amazing .. and amazing value .. that the RDC-7 is/was, the OP885 equals it for digital sources.
I heard the A1HDCI demo'd and it was impressive. I did not hear it compared to the 80.2/5508, which I have also heard and thought impressive. The 80.2/5508 has Audyssey MultEQ XT 32, a trick if you will of the highest order and one that my next pre/pro will have. The A1HDCI lacks XT 32 and will not ... WILL NOT .. be updated to have it. At least not this product cycle. In my opinion, there is no way the Denon unit is worth two times the 80.2/5508. That they are not refreshing it suggests to me that "the market" agrees with me.
Except for a small inconsequential feature here and there, they are identical.
9.8/885, 9.9/886, 80.1/5507 and 80.2/5508
Mainly, they are sold through different "channels."
I just don't think it is necessary to spend the $$$ that the Statement costs to get that level of sound quality. Putting a finer point on it .. and explain where I am really coming from, I don't care to spend for example $10k when I can get 98% of that performance for 20% of the price.
I wouldn't poo poo 9.2. 5.1 was considered a trick at one time, ditto 7.1.
I'd be happy to go PM if you want to continue the OT parts of our discussion.
We are definitely on opposite sides of the spectrum if you think you can get 98% of the performance for 20% of the price
My ears don't tell me that at all..LOL
I don't dislike 9.2( or 11.2) of whatever the flavor of the day is
I would just prefer excellent 5.1 to middle of the road 9.2
I don't compare number of channels when 2 products don't have the same sound quality...to my ears
I could get the 5508..its as easy upgrade as stated before
I likely could sell my 885 and get 50% of the purchase price of the 5508
I just don't think...at the end of the day I would be that more satisfied with its sound than what I already have
And if if has the 2 channel music quality of the 885...then there is even less reason for me to consider switching
Granted...not a lot of money to upgrade ..if I truly received 50% of the 5508's cost in the sale of the 885
But to use your 98% analogy
My thought is ..I would be getting 98% of what I already have...and that is worth "maybe" $150..if that..to me
You seem to have a lot more faith in the Audessey system than I do
I don't consider that to the be all end all. It would likely make the SAME piece sound better...but would have minimal effect of pieces of two different quality levels
The Anthem statement doesn't have as extensive room correction system as the newest Audessey
But..at the end of the day it sure sounded a lot better than anything I have ever heard
I would like to hear the Denon...I just need to find a dealer that has one in stock...as I said before I saw a refurb for 50% of retail...still a little high for my budget but very tempting
The 5508...IMO...seems like natural progression in technology added to the same quality of electronics
And again..I think the 885 was a stellar piece at its price point
I haven't heard the 5508
But the way the spec sheet reads is that they have added more tricks to the same dog
So..for an 885 owner..its more of a lateral update than a step up in quality
Kinda like me moving from My Onkyo 875 to the new 3008...other than 3D, networking , more channels and improved Audessey...again "tricks"
Will I hear a definite difference in the sound quality...and as I said before will it be more musical than the 875?
Thats what would make me pay more
Not just tricks
I don't care if the Denon doesn't have Audessey XT32( or whatever)....if my ears thought it sounded to be 98% of the Anthem Statement the 50% off Denon refurb..IMO...would be well worth the money
I say that because my local Anthem dealer wants full retail.
I get the feeling that is pretty standard after talking with two dealers.
I am not sure what you mean by the market agreeing with you on the Denon...to my knowledge its always been customary for Denon( and Yamaha) to hold their higher models for a longer period of time...likely without the bells and whistles of the most recent
The Yamaha Z7 ,Z11 and the Denon 5308 are perfect examples of that
Not sure if you have ever looked...but have you ever looked at what some of those..even used examples...still command today...ditto with the now discontinued Denon 4308
That ..IMO..is the market speaking