The "Official" Yamaha RX-Vn800 anticipation thread (with HDMI 1.3) - Page 6

May I just ask: Was the RX-V4800 just pure speculation earlier in this thread and over the internet? Will there be something between the RX-V3800 and the RX-Z11?

Thanks

When you do a compare with the 3800/2700 on the website its a bit disheartening to see so little difference

Why no mention of 1080p

Anchor Bay Technologies' ABT1010 scaler engine that can independently scale an image horizontally and vertically to further improve the picture quality on high resolution displays (to 1080i/720p with HDMI output).

Hi guys... just following up on a post from yesterday on the Z11 ABT processors...also I have word from my Yamaha rep that the RX-V1800 will be in our store by end on August and the V3800 in Mid Sept.... too bad the Z11 is still for November....Yamaha sure pushing it. was on their home page and they pushing it hard and looks like they are making it a limited edition...So going back on the video processors... My reps was not able to get me the info today but should have it tomorrow... Guess he is out visiting all his Yammie dealers getting these new models on other dealers floors...No wonder he is slow....but he always comes though... If anyone get the info 1st please post it... But as HD Zone2 outputs with HDMI down convert to component for other Zone...That will work great for some of the custom installs that we do... since im not familiar with any AVR doing this... if there is let me know...
Well I will continue to keep you posted as I hear things

Shame also that zone 2 is only composite.

Will be buying in October so hopefully any possible 4800 rumours will have surfaced by then.

If by that you mean "can you take in a signal into the receiver on HDMI and then downconvert it to component for another zone?", then the answer should always be "no" if the source material is copy protected. This is because the HDCP rules do not allow you to convert digital video back to analogue under these circumstances - not even composite video with macrovision. Stupid I know - I don't think they actually thought of this when drawing up the HDCP specification and it's too late to change it now.

HTH.

John Dawson (Arcam)

I was comparing the RX-V3800, 2700 and 1800 on Yamaha's website and saw that the OSD differs between the tree. The 3800 and 2700 have "OSD (with GUI)" while the 1800 only has "OSD". What excactly is the difference? They all have on-screen displays, does it mean that the 1800's isn't as graphical - less fancy?

Cant seem to find any info on whether firmware updates can be done if neccessary

As a mostly happy owner of the 2700, I don't think the 3800 adds anything I could use. Looks like a a more fully implemented multi-zone feature, but I don't use that. At most one more HDMI input (I forget whether the 2700 has 3 or 4.) Same power. TrueHD/DTS-HD is not useful as all current players will do that decoding themselves.

Looks like a nice unit, but if stores reduced the price of the 2700 quite a bit, I could see taking the 2700 over the 1800. Now if Yamaha fixed the HDMI/overheating issues with this model, that would change my decision.

1080p scaling is mostly pointless as most people's displays do as good of a job.

If I had the money, which I don't, to buy another $1000+ AVR, I would certainly look at the 3800.

I also note that the 3800 does not have any picture adjustments, something that the Denon 3808CI does have.

The two still compare very closely, but at this point the Denon has the edge, AND is already available.

I am torn between all the new receivers coming out. I have an old Yamaha that needs an upgrade, and it seems like now would be a good time to do it. It looks like that for the 3808, 3800, 5300ES, 94TXH, and 875, there really isn't a standout difference for these receivers in the $1600+ range. 875 has Reon, but what is that worth really, when other devices can do the upscaling just as well? Between my Oppo and Panasonic plasma, regular DVDs look great. Sometime of the SD cable channels look terrible, but I don't watch much of that anyway. As some folks were mentioning earlier, my main consideration would be sound quality, and not sure if anything else really matters that much. But how can you make an educated decision without hearing it for yourself?

I would assume that since the yamaha does not scale up on the HDMI connector...that this would be a big deal ! no?

[quote=bboncorr1]you can get the denon 4308ci for $2000 shipped from an authorized dealer....

Where can a 4308ci be obtained for $2000?

Picture adjustments are only on the analog inputs. You can't adjust the picture via HDMI.

not sure if 905 offers such adjustable items over HDMI? will find out after open box.......

Yes, Ken, yes! Just trying to point out differences. The Denons pic adjust is analog only.........BUT the Yamaha has none!

Otherwise, the Denon 3808CI and Yamaha 3800 seem to be twins.....almost

im dissapointed HDRadio is not in either receiver and i see nothing about wireless networking. guess im looking at the 1800 for sure because there isnt much of a difference to me.

I don't understand why any one needs the receiver to do anything with video other then send it along. I have a HTPC with I use to Scale everything to 1080p. Have my PS3 for my Blu-Ray again 1080p. I don't watch TV because it looks like crap any way you look at it . If it's not on DVD or in HD I don't watch it. Like alot of people are saying, why are you buying somthing for sound to do somthing to Video. I spent alot of money else where to make my picture look the way I want it. I wish they would just put every bit of it in to making it sound well because in my opion thats all it should do. Just my .02

My bad the Zone 2 component will not take content via HDMI...thanks for the catch JD... Have some news that the RX-V4800 is no where in sight...my yamaha sales rep mentioned that NO 2800 nor 4800 anytime soon...ie this selling season...

thats what i figured. yamaha likes to release models through out the year and not just all at once. this is a smart strategy because it gives them time to improve future models and give potential buyers something to look forward to if whats out now doesnt fit what their looking for.

im impatient though and dont want to wait for the 4800 so i crossed over to denon. i want my setup in place for football and basketball season (because its gonna be fun watching the pats, celtics, and redsox in the post season).

I'm guessing that's how long it takes the video signal to be processed. Since there are 60 video fields per second, a 1/2 field delay would be around 8.3 milliseconds while a 8 field delay would translate to 125 milliseconds. It's handy to know this info when setting the A/V sync (delaying the audio to match the video latency) on a receiver.

Sanjay

don't know how big that deal is, xxx ms delay?

anyone knows Reon delay at ?? fields?

Not a big deal. 125ms means the audio is 1/8th of a second (3 film frames) behind the video. Can easily be compensated for in most modern receivers.

Sanjay

I can tell you why I would. Simplicity!!. I do not have to have hdmi cables or DVI cables running all over the place. But you are correct that it appears these receivers do not offer the same functionality as seperates, which is a shame.

I have my eye on the Onkyo 905, but like the rest of the Onkyo line, they have some issues with sound. I am a die hard Yamaha fan. I think I am on my 5th Yamaha reciver. Got my first in high school nearly 20 years ago, but my needs have changed over that time from 100% audio to about 10% audio to 90% video.

Are any of the new Yamahas THX certified? Or has Yamaha abandoned THX?

Can you be more specific about Onkyo's sound issues? I have an 805 and it is by far the most powerful and best sounding AVR I have owned. I have owned midlevel Denon and Pioneer for reference.

hmm.. now this is worrying to me, i know the reciever can compensate to sync the audio, and that is fine for just watching things.
but i am a keen gamer, and an 8 field delay is lag, quite a big lag when you are playing somthing fast at 60hz, and i dont like the sound of that.

i was looking at the 875/905 for the reon, but if it has that sort of delay in visual feedback, i think i am more inclined to got with the super fast yammy 3800.

Dougal

the comparison from the yamaha site linked to on the previous page to this,
says that the z11 is thx-ultra 2 plus, but the others dont seem to be.

Depends on the software implementation in the receiver. Video scalars will scale at any number of speeds, depending on the various options enabled in the processing blocks. High-end scalars like the Reon even have a 'gamer' modes, where there is essentially no video lag - rarely do you see this implemented, however.

Some of us have TVs that do a lousy at upscaling SD sources, and for this reason, good video processing would be appreciated. I just don't understand how Yammy could skimp out and put a processing chip that is aimed at "low cost DVD players" (meaning, garbage) in a $2K product.