The "Official" Yamaha RX-Vn800 anticipation thread (with HDMI 1.3) - Page 10

Crap. I didn't realize the 3800 doesn't up-scale via HDMI. I'm more concerned with audio but this blows.

Both of these units support 24p video....BTW the RX-V1800 and RX-V3800 Now Shipping ...Should have mine within the next few days...Already have a couple of them sold....

While their may be somewhat of a plateau on the audio side, the RX-Z11 is already deficient and out of date on the video side for a flagship product.

Too bad Yamaha did not design the video portion to accept upgradable daughterboards containing the video processing chip. That way, for instance, Yamaha could have offered an upgrade next year containing the newer ABT 2010 chip. This would make an investment in a flagship worth it.

Considering the rapid advancement in these processing chips combined with the lead time for bringing a flagship to market, you gaurantee the video will not be up to date for too long.

Cheers,

Gary

This is from the Yamaha site and applys to the 3800, 2700 & 1800: "HDMI Up Conversion • (Scale to 480p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p)" So why the "I didn't realize the 3800 doesn't up-scale via HDMI. I'm more concerned with audio but this blows."

Page 94 of the manual : This unit does not up-scale the digital video signals input at the
HDMI input jacks.

Can someone explain the difference between up-scale and up convert?

if your tv is native 1080p, then it should up scale the content already. why would you need this feature in a receiver?

Conversion means Analog > Digital, ie Component input to HDMI output;

Scaling however means changing the resolution to output at your HDTV native resolution. ie input 480i > 1080p.

The 3800 does not scale any HDMI inputs! But perhaps you have an excellent scaler in your HDTV?

a couple of yamaha authorized retailers are listing the v1800 as being in stock. looks like they're out in the wild now...

Jusat a ?????

If my TV upconverts, would this not being in the receiver be a real issue?

TV = Samsung LN-T4665F

I meant up-scale.

Mea culpa

After a lot of deliberation and reading through the various forums, I don't think that video up-scaling is really an issue for me. I just want great sound and the ability for the receiver to switch hdmi sources. And the 1800 is a pretty good value with 4 HDMI inputs. I even looked at last year's models that had 4 HDMI inputs, and I don't see anything out there that's as appealing as the 1800 on a features/cost basis. So I've got one on pre-order, and wishing it would get here before the weekend, but probably won't happen.

Just curious if anyone had any thoughts on the following. Perhaps you've compared the 2700 and 1700 in the past.

Sound quality between the 1800 and 3800?

- Big difference.
- Small difference.
- same -- only difference between the two receivers is slightly more power and features.

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't believe the 1700 or the 2700 will do 1080p HDMI up-conversion. They will only go up to 1080i. I think the 1800 and the 2800 do the 1080p up-conversion, even though all models have the ABT1010 chip. I'm thinking a firmware update could bring the 1700/2700 up to par with the 1800/2800 as far as up-conversion to 1080p?

Yes. Every TV (well, every recent one) is going to do upconversion itself, and often will do it quite well. There's no point in wanting the receiver to upscale everything unless your TV has a crappy scaler. However, the receiver can impose limits on conversion by scaling things unnecessarily- like many of the new Onkyos, if given an analog 1080i input, will scale it to 720p when converting the video to digital for output via HDMI. That's an unnecessary scaling, and its why I'm no longer looking at the Onkyos or Integras. Better to leave it be and let the TV do its thing.

What's more, 1080i to 1080p is more deinterlacing than scaling, and again, there's no major reason for it to happen in the receiver. If your TV will accept a 1080p input, then it should also deinterlace a 1080i signal quite acceptably.

I think all the worries about receiver video upconversion are a bit overblown, except as you don't want the receiver to impose unnecessary limitations on the resolution as it gets converted from analog to digital. Anything else is gravy, and if you have a good quality TV, it's unnecessary gravy.

I just wanted to compare the difference in sound quality regardless of features.

Basically, I'm torn between the new 1800 and the less-new 2700. I'm aware of the difference in features, but I would like to know if the 2000 series generally has better sound (especially for music). Or if the only difference between the 1000 series and 2000 series is extra features.

This can't be turned off or passed through in the Integra? There was only a slight chance of considering the 8.8 for my new AVR but forget it now.

thx technosavant!

So .... given a choice between the Denon 3808CI or Yammy 3800?

We mostly watch DVD's and DIrecTV, sometimes CDs, no games or computer.

Currently have a DSP-A1.

Thx

For those owners of previous model receivers that did upconverting, what happens with 4:3 480i content? Does the receiver add black or grey bars on either side? My Pioneer upconverting DVD player adds black bars and I actually prefer this. Since I use HDMI output with the player, I know the receiver will just pass it through so I should see no difference here. I was more curious about how it handles S-Video, composite or component 4:3 content.

Thanks.

I'm not sure about the 8.8. If it has the HQV scaler, I think that doesn't apply (IIRC, the 8.8 is the cousin of the Onkyo 905, and the 720p limit doesn't apply there), but you'll be best off looking in those specific threads for that. I just know what I read about in the other threads and peeking in the owners manuals for the 705 and the 6.8. The 8.8 is out of my price range, so I haven't paid attention to anything in regards to that model, but I think that it will upscale analog inputs all the way to 1080p (excessive, IMO, but it matters for some- like I said, I just want the receiver to not get in its own way there, and I'll let the TV do the scaling).

I've just been comparing receivers in the $1000 range, but with the RX-V1800 hitting the street for $1200, I think I can pretty well make my decision now.

Finally found one, got it out of the box. Seems like a nice little (well, not so little) rcvr. Remote sucks, but I knew that would happen.

Having some problems, wonder if anyone else that has one might have seen.

I have a Velodyne F1500 connected to the sub port on the rcvr, but I'm just not able to get much of anything out of it. I've got it jacked up full tilt, which should knock me over, but you can barely tell there is a sub at all.

About the only thing I can find it mentions to set a setting to "both" indicating that the low freq goes to front speaks and sub, that doesn't change anything. Two subs, neither gives me what I want. Surely I must be doing SOMETHING wrong, but what? 3 hours of playing and reseting, and still not a clue.

Anyone?

Rob,

I've got mine on order.

Looking at the manual, to get the sub working:

Yea, saw that in the manual after hour #1, did that, no change.

Make sure you use the sub output in the pre-out section not the Multi channel in sub jack

Check and recheck. No Joy.

Tried this?

Page 82

Barely, or not at all? Flicked through the manual as well and it seems there are a few settings (direct 2-channel?) that disable bass management and would not engage the subwoofer in stereo mode, regardless of the speaker settings.

I really doubt that you will see such a firmware update for the 1700/2700. Because it likely would be a lot harder to add such a new feature such as 1080p upconversion than you think it is.

I think you're right. And there may not be a way to apply a firmware update. I'm looking into trading my Mitsubishi HC3000 for the HC5000, the latter which may do 1080p upscaling within the projector. Not sure. Checking into that. Although about 1,000 people on this forum could probably tell me right now

I hooked my 2nd sub, which is a cheaper one, that turns on when it sees a signal, and it just never comes on, best I can tell. I currently have my Velodyne connected to the pre-outs (front) and I am able to go that route to have some bass, but I'm not thrilled with how it is. I should be able to use it the conventional way.

I'm sure its just some setting, that remains as of yet undocumented etc etc, and one of the big brained folks here that gets one, will sort out the why of it all. Surely I'm not the only person that will see this issue, though I may be one of the first ones to get an 1800.

Time will tell

For now I leave the cheap sub on just to watch for signs of life from the sub output line.

has anyone seen the 1800 in the wild in the nyc area yet?