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post #121 of 202
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Ok ok heres another question I had that bothered me. Im sure its simple but for some reason I didnt catch it and I guess it really doesnt matter cause the guy died anyway lol. When hes giving orders to the reporter and he tells him to stand the opposite way of the guy in the hat....why did they go after the guy in the hat? They werent dressed the same were they?

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I believe that it was simply to fool whoever was watching the reporter. They would think that he was talking to the guy, and thus throw them off. I don't think that there was anything special about the guy ... just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
post #122 of 202
One thing I've notice in these "shaky" movies is that once I buy them on DVD (or HD-DVD, or Bluray, or whatever) I notice the shaking WAY less at home. I run a 130" projector, so it isn't like my screen is tiny, but it is smaller than the theater and I think that helps a ton. My buddy's place with a 65" 1080P doesn't seem to translate the shaking image nearly as much as the theater either. Just a thought for those who are steering clear of this, that I didn't notice the shaking nearly that badly in the theater for this film, but am sure it will be even better at home.
post #123 of 202
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Originally Posted by tonybradley View Post

What are you looking for when you read a thread about a movie that's been released?

Debates like this.
post #124 of 202
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Debates like this.

What can I say....I'm a Master Debater (I may go blind doing that though).
post #125 of 202
Damon is a trip -- this WILL make you laugh!

Yason Bourne Identity:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dGXr4uOnBrw
post #126 of 202
And for those not familiar with the long-running Jimmy Kimmel / Matt Damon gag of Damon always getting bumped from Kimmel's show:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e5ZEAqZIem4
post #127 of 202
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And for those not familiar with the long-running Jimmy Kimmel / Matt Damon gag of Damon always getting bumped from Kimmel's show:

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LOL I'm not sure what to believe. If that's really a gag, it's totally convincing.
post #128 of 202
I'm going to have to say that I'm slightly disappointed with Ultimatum, which is a good film but IMO slightly below Supremacy and Identity.

The mystery surrounding Bourne's character has been unveiled, and so has the thrill.

I can't wait to see it at home in HD.
post #129 of 202
apple, I'm not sure I 100% agree. I could absolutely see them putting together a very good prequel to these movies that would explain a LOT more about Bourne/Webb than these movies have fleshed out. I agree that the Bourne identity has been defined now for all of us, but what about David Webb? That is where everything really began. Why did he choose to enter the program? They said he was a Captain, so there was obviously some history there that we don't know about. And how did he come to find their program and seek them out? I think there is still a lot unanswered that I wouldn't particularly mind seeing in a prequel, if they decided to do a 4th installment. Anything taking place in a timeframe after "Ultimatum" would be...as Damon said..."Redundancy".
post #130 of 202
After seeing this the 2nd time now, I noticed the director/producer didn't miss a beat. In some of Bourne's flashbacks, he is seen exiting a vehicle and entering a building. The Suburbans they are driving look to be late '90s models. Just one of those little details that a car guy like myself noticed while watching this movie. Lots of others come to mind, but this one seemed to be the best example of them not missing a beat. Very well done.
post #131 of 202
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After seeing this the 2nd time now, I noticed the director/producer didn't miss a beat. In some of Bourne's flashbacks, he is seen exiting a vehicle and entering a building. The Suburbans they are driving look to be late '90s models. Just one of those little details that a car guy like myself noticed while watching this movie. Lots of others come to mind, but this one seemed to be the best example of them not missing a beat. Very well done.

I beg to differ. He did miss a beat.

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The plot hole with Nikki saying you dont remember? Implies a past relationship I guess. It was never resolved. Bourne surviving these crashes are absurd. Having top secret files in a safe in an office with large windows are absurd.


The problem with Bourne is if you seen one you've pretty much seen them all. Part 2 or 3 didnt bring anything different to the table. Also the plot runs the exact same way.
post #132 of 202
The shaking camera work completely spoiled what should have been a beautiful film. I very much dissagree with other posters who think this shaking was there to enhance action. It was there only to make the movie cheaper to produce. Because if your audience can't see all the action, they aren't going to complain about seeing realistic effects. I dropped $50 taking my family to see this and wasted every penny. Very unprofessional film effort to say the least.

I know I won't be seeing any more Bourne films again unless the next one is called "the Bourne smooth cam".
post #133 of 202
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LOL I'm not sure what to believe. If that's really a gag, it's totally convincing.

It was a gag.
post #134 of 202
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I don't feel there needs to be any spoiler tags after the movie has been released.

The issue isn't what you think there should be a need for spoiler tags - it's what the board policy is. It's there - it guides people's expectation - people need to follow it.

One thing to keep in mind. While there is a lot of talk about movies-in-theaters around here, AVS is primarily a *home* A/V site. Many of the folks here don't see movies in theaters and are looking for thoughts on what to buy. At an absolute minimum, the time to get a bit lax about spoilers isn't when the movie is out in theaters, but when it's released for home video.
post #135 of 202
My wife wanted to go see the movie this weekend - who am I to say no? First Ocean's 13, then this. Either she has a thing for third movies in series, or a thing for Matt Damon.

The shaky-cam turned what could have been a great movie into a "good time at the theater, but I never need to see it again" experience. Real bummer. Better than the 2nd movie, but not even close to the first one.

One thing I really liked was Julie Stiles's character. She seemed way out of place in the first movie - she made a lot more sense here. And I loved her little look at the end. For a movie that people claim is the last in the series, they left a huge door open for a sequel.
post #136 of 202
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The shaking camera work completely spoiled what should have been a beautiful film. I very much disagree with other posters who think this shaking was there to enhance action. It was there only to make the movie cheaper to produce. Because if your audience can't see all the action, they aren't going to complain about seeing realistic effects.

I've felt that way for a long time. The shaky cam effect, coupled with super close-ups and MTV style hyper-cutting means the audience never actually gets a good look at the action on the screen. To some, I guess it has the effect of providing an adrenaline rush, or makes it look more "documentary-like", or whatever; to others, it simply induces nausea and looks like a cheap way to hide less-than-stellar fx, stunt work, or CGI.

At any rate, the Bourne films crossed the line with it and turned potentially great action movies into average ones.
post #137 of 202
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The issue isn't what you think there should be a need for spoiler tags - it's what the board policy is. It's there - it guides people's expectation - people need to follow it.

One thing to keep in mind. While there is a lot of talk about movies-in-theaters around here, AVS is primarily a *home* A/V site. Many of the folks here don't see movies in theaters and are looking for thoughts on what to buy. At an absolute minimum, the time to get a bit lax about spoilers isn't when the movie is out in theaters, but when it's released for home video.

And as I pointed out several times, I use spoiler tags. I was only stating I didn't understand why based on a given response from another poster.

So, for those who burn some, and not burn others.....why are you letting folks come right out and say things like "how could he be in a car crash like that and still walk away" or "why is there a file cabinet near a big open window with top secret docs in it". That's my entire point. EVERYTHING YOU SAY OTHER THAN "It was good" or "It was bad" could be considered a Spoiler. PERIOD!!
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David, I see where you are coming from. I think, though, that the non-resolve to the Nikki/Bourne story-line is on purpose. My feeling is it allows the audience to actually, hold the presses here, use their brains and make the connection themselves. I actually liked that they didn't flesh out that story line because I think it would have distracted from where this movie's story was headed all along. As much as it was a "find my identity" film, it was a revenge film as well. Having the Nikki-line take center stage, in my opinion, would have wrecked the film and I think people would have been bitching about it here a ton.

Oh, and he might "survive" the crashes, but he's pretty f-ed up all the time. He doesn't exactly stroll away from them. And, at the minimum, they show how he secures himself uniquely in the seatbelt just prior to the crash. Granted, could he survive in such a way, I don't know. But, they at least make the effort to show what (I can only assume) a person would have to do to survive that, which makes the film that much better in my mind. Comparative to "Live Free or Die Hard" where he just crashes everything and they don't bother to highlight the possible ways he could survive.
post #140 of 202
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Originally Posted by tonybradley View Post

EVERYTHING YOU SAY OTHER THAN "It was good" or "It was bad" could be considered a Spoiler. PERIOD!!

Im sorry you feel so limited by the English Language. Check out some Pro reviews ... most of them excel at writing about movies without spoilers.
post #141 of 202
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David, I see where you are coming from. I think, though, that the non-resolve to the Nikki/Bourne story-line is on purpose. My feeling is it allows the audience to actually, hold the presses here, use their brains and make the connection themselves. I actually liked that they didn't flesh out that story line because I think it would have distracted from where this movie's story was headed all along. As much as it was a "find my identity" film, it was a revenge film as well. Having the Nikki-line take center stage, in my opinion, would have wrecked the film and I think people would have been bitching about it here a ton.

Oh, and he might "survive" the crashes, but he's pretty f-ed up all the time. He doesn't exactly stroll away from them. And, at the minimum, they show how he secures himself uniquely in the seatbelt just prior to the crash. Granted, could he survive in such a way, I don't know. But, they at least make the effort to show what (I can only assume) a person would have to do to survive that, which makes the film that much better in my mind. Comparative to "Live Free or Die Hard" where he just crashes everything and they don't bother to highlight the possible ways he could survive.

No offense to your post, but I want to use as an example. I personally feel what you stated is perfectly acceptable for a movie that's already been released to the general public. However, mentioning things such as Jason and Nikki's connection, may not be appropriate for those who haven't seen the movie.

I have a suggestion that the moderators redefine the uses of Spoiler Tags. Many on the thread believe what was stated above could be viewed as a spoiler (discussing connections in a movie). I for one, feel that if a movie has NOT been released to the general public, we should use spoiler tags, but after it's been released, all is fair game. Just like the HD Programming thread. Once a show has been aired, all talk is fair game. The same rules should apply to movies. As I've stated before, once a movie is released, if we can't discuss it using details, what's the point in the particular thread? You can only say "I liked it" or "I didn't like it" so many times.
post #142 of 202
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You shouldn't have deleted your post.
post #143 of 202
My bad tony. I thought I was being vague enough and Nikki and Bourne's "connection" was a component in "Supremacy" as well (when he asks to meet her specifically). Sorry to offend though if I did.
post #144 of 202
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I personally feel what you stated is perfectly acceptable for a movie that's already been released to the general public.

Again, it doesn't matter what you think. The board has a policy. Maybe your way is better, maybe the board's way is better. It doesn't matter. The point has been debated to death years ago. The policy has been set. It's the board rule. People need to follow it.

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Many on the thread believe what was stated above could be viewed as a spoiler (discussing connections in a movie).

It is a spoiler, though a minor one.

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Just like the HD Programming thread. Once a show has been aired, all talk is fair game.

HD programming is a completely different world. Things are aired at a specific time. Movies are in theaters for months. Not everybody is going to go opening night. And, has been pointed out, this is primarily a *home* forum. "Released to the public" at a minimum means when the home version is released.

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As I've stated before, once a movie is released, if we can't discuss it using details, what's the point in the particular thread?

You can discuss it all you want. Either include spoiler tags, or start a spoiler thread. It that too much to ask?

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You can only say "I liked it" or "I didn't like it" so many times.

If that's all you can say about a movie without spoilers, fine. But lots of folks here can say a whole lot more. Folks can say all sorts of interesting things that I want to read without having to worry about spoilers.
post #145 of 202
To me it's the best action movie of 2007 (tied with Live Free or Die Hard). I don't get why people dislike the shaky cam - do you sit on the very first row or something? I think it fits the movie(s) beautifully, it gives it momentum and a documentary feel. Great movie. A-
post #146 of 202
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To me it's the best action movie of 2007 (tied with Live Free or Die Hard). I don't get why people dislike the shaky cam - do you sit on the very first row or something? I think it fits the movie(s) beautifully, it gives it momentum and a documentary feel. Great movie. A-

The point is not shaky-cam, per se. The point is that it's vastly overdone in these movies (and in general these days) and the result borders on nausea. If they dialed it down a bit, especially in the action scenes, they'd have a more watchable movie and would lose none of the "documentary" feel.
post #147 of 202
I just saw part of a chase scene on Leno last nite. I freaking love how they use the camera in these movies... at one point
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his car goes into the drink backwards, and as the car hits the water, the camera appears to get jarred violently back, like it was held by someone in the car.
Dont look a gift horse in the mouth guys, Greengrass is doing stellar directing in these films that puts you in the action. These movies will be studied for years on film technique; just enjoy watching history being made
post #148 of 202
Just got back from a matinée showing and, after lying down for awhile to let the nausea pass, I had these thoughts: We watched the "making of" piece on HBO where they are filming the filming, and was really looking forward to seeing some of those stunts in the actual movie. But because of the hyper-close-up and shaky-cam style, a lot of it was just a blur. It does raise the adrenalin level, but it would have been nice to slow the camera movement down and zoom back out a little to see more of what was actually going on. It's just too much.

Another bone of contention was the sound. Voices were very muffled and you had to strain to make out dialog a lot of times. I found myself wishing I could turn up the midrange frequencies (or turn on closed captioning). Any body else hear that, or maybe it was just my theater fracking up the sound somehow...?

Anyway, all that said, we really enjoyed it.
post #149 of 202
Regarding the shaky cam,I notice it more in the theatre on the big screen than at home.That being said,it doesn't bother me too much.It adds a frenetic energy to the scenes that employ it.I can see where it may affect some people,but it doesn't bother me personally.

As for the movie,I enjoyed it greatly.Lots of action,good acting,nice locations.I can't say whether I liked it more or less than the others,I'd have to see it again.The plot was easier to follow than the others.The ending leaves the possibility of another film,but I don't see what else can be done with the storyline.I'd love to see a Bourne prequel of sorts,maybe showing one of his early missions.Damon has made the role his own though,so I really can't picture someone else doing it.Out of all the summer threequels(Spidey 3,POTC 3,Shrek 3,etc) this is by far the best IMO.
post #150 of 202
i finally saw it!

I carefully sat in the second to the back row, to minimize the shakey cam effect for my date. Still she complained a bit.

I loved the movie,brilliantly executed scenes.

Sure Bourne films are similar to eachother, but a winning formula can work for 3 or 4 films
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