Denon's DVD-2500BTCI Blu-Ray Player OWNERS Thread - Page 8

John,

Is this player 2.0 upgradable? What the heck was it doing at the DTS booth and not the BD promotions group? I swear they had every other player there!

No. Without an Ethernet port, a Profile 2.0 software update is out of the question.

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I guess I will have to check out the Panasonic BD50.

"Denon Electronics announced today that they will ship two Blu-ray products this fall. The DVD-3800BDCI is a Profile 1.1 Blu-ray player, capable of decoding all approved audio codecs (including Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio) as well as play Profile 1.1 content (including Picture-in-Picture). It will also be the first player to have a 10-bit Silicon Optix Realta processor which presents outstanding video playback for both Blu-ray and DVD. The player will retail for $1,999. Also available this fall will be the DVD-2500BTC Blu-ray transport. This product is similar to the 3800BD, except it requires an accompanying HDMI v1.3 receiver to do the audio decoding. It will, however, feature the same Realta processor and Profile 1.1 spec as its bigger brother. Pricing has not yet been set for this model."
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=340&...ating30&page=1
OK then where did this come from? It clearly said the 2500 would have the same chip for video? I am all for this player.

Nate

If that is accurate, that definitely helps take this transport from headscratcher to a desirable product!

It is not accurate....there is no silicon optix in this unit...

Agreed. I'll buy one with no question if this is true, but with no exceptional upconversion, no sale.

The 2500 has a Panasonic PRO2P video upconversion chip. Not a Realta.

NO Realta (we have to get over it)

Agreed. I plan to speak with my wallet when it comes to my opinion on this player, as I'm guessing many others will do as well.

Reon is very good too. Thst probably would have been a good choice for the 2500 - I don't understand why it isn't if it's big brother is in the 3800??

The Reon on the Samsung 5000 is absolutely beautiful. That player is a good choice for upscaling sdvds if you can get over its other current shortcomings...

Has anyone noticed that the product sheet for the 2500 lists the weight at 20 pounds. And the spec sheet for the 3800 (double the price/fully featured) lists it's weight at only 10 pounds!? As they both have similar construction - has to be an error. Wonder what other errors there are?

That's too bad. How were you able to confirm this?

I've never heard of this Panny chip before. Is it any players on the market now?

Then you will be interested in this press release.

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=56551

I put up a thread on this in the video processor forum to see what the processor junkies think about this development.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=980332

Well:
1) I saw the unit at CES - and there was NO HQV logo present (as there is on the 3800).
2) The product sheet - nor the recently (Jan 16) posted owners manual make any reference what so ever to HQV.
The machine is due in possibly 2 weeks - so I put 2 and 2 together

For those that are interested, I just spoke to my friend who is a Denon wholesaler. He just got his first shipment of 2500s delivered to his warehouse. Since I have a 4308 I was tempted to have him bring one home for me, but I will try to wait until there is more information available regarding the unit's performance before I pull the trigger. BTW, he mentioned that the 3800s were not in yet...

Great news. Now if he's your friend - maybe he can "lend" you a 2500 from his warehouse load just to test for a week

He mentioned that he was going to bring one home next week to try in his main HT setup. When I get a chance to check it out I will post my impressions here (and will probably order one). I asked him how well the 2500 upconverts standard DVDs and he replied that it should be better than my current Oppo 980H. We shall see soon enough.

I am a Denon dealer and the product comparison sheet was sent out comparing the 2 players. It clearly states that the 2500 uses a Panasonic chip and the 3800 uses the Realta.

Also the logo is nowhere to be found as other posters have said.

Panasonic chip vs Realta. Guess which one's gonna have better upconversion?

If I keep the 2500 - I have no doubt that I'll also be hanging onto my 3930 (exclusively for SD DVD)

Personally, I couldn't care less. It's a Blu-Ray player, that's what it needs to do best

Agreed!

I've seen its Blu Ray performance and it is STELLAR.

If this "transport" outputs 480i and bitstreams all audio formats it's a good option for many of us.

Upconversion is a bigger issue for those without an outboard video scalar or whose video displays contain lackluster scaling. In that case the 3800 is the better choice.

Exactly.

Is it possible that the 2500 is made for those who have HD receiver like the AVR-4308 or even better the AVR-5308? Where the video and audio processing will be handle by the receiver.

Exactly. I'm waiting for my 5308ci to be delivered and Denon stated that the 2500 would be a perfect match for it. I still have questions on how the 2500 will handle DivX since that codec isn't supported by the 5308ci. I am still waiting for a reply from Denon to that question.

What makes it a perfect match besides the fact that it's a Denon? I'm guessing you could spend half as much and get the same performance. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if that's right or not.

I can't wait to see this baby in the flesh. It should pair up nicely with my Onkyo

Bring on the reviews!

i understand what you mean by a perfect match but, unless im mistaken here, you would have to have two separate resolution settings in the player. one to output full 1080p for your blu ray discs but also an option to only output 480i if a dvd is detected, which would then be scaled onboard by the denon AVR ( i have the 3808ci so im in the same boat.) Is this logic correct?

The 3808 will upconvert and send out everything 1080p. I would imagine the player *could* have something better processing-wise, but the 3808 has a decent Faroudja processor that does pretty well. You have to consider also that you'll be moving from SD DVD at some point so the issue is less important as every day passes.

However it will be many many years before HD media even makes a dent in the number of SD DVD releases (100,000). And many thousands of SD DVD's will NEVER see the light of day on HD media (IMHO).