Originally Posted by MSmith83
I should post this here. I asked ListenUp about the Denon 2500, and they sent me the latest spec sheet. This sheet, along with another one a dealer recently posted here at AVS, indicates that the 2500 will decode both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA into PCM. The sheet is attached.
I hope I am wrong but I think that may be an old spec sheet.
The product is listed on Denon's USA website now.http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDeta...ndChangers.asp
The website lists $999 MSRP not $1200 for the 2500 and $1999 for the 3800.
[DVD-3800BDCI] ** NEW ** Blu-ray Disc DVD/CD Player
* 10-bit Realta HQV video processor for advanced i/p and scaling
* 1080p/24fps output and Multi-Cadence Detection for accurate i/p conversion
* HDMI 1.3a output for 36 bit Deep Color support
* Latest Analog devices Video DACs
* Denon D.D.S.C.-HD Technology decodes new, higher-quality surround
* Dual 32-bit floating point DSP, Burr Brown PCM-1796 audio decoders for all channels and advanced AL24 processing for greater dynamic range
* Master clock design for accurate processing and reduced jitter noise
[DVD-2500BTCI] ** NEW ** Blu-ray Disc DVD/CD Digital Player/Transport
* Complete digital-only transport to eliminate interference
* Single-cable HDMI connection and Digital HD output up to 1080p*
* Fully 10-bit processing for i/p and scaling circuit
* Blu-ray 1080p/24fps output capability
* Up to 36 bit Deep Color support via HDMI
* Native bit stream output for Dolby Digital+, Dolby TrueHD, and dts-HD master audio
* Bonus View functionality, providing simultaneous Audio and Video options for greater interactivity.
* Digital media disc support: Blu-Ray, DVD-Video, DVD-R/RW, CD Audio WMA, MP3, Kodak picture CD, Fuji Color CD.
Looking at the specsheet on the website there is no mention of internal decoding but plenty of mention on bitstream output. The 3800 has lots of documentation on internal decoding even giving it an name "Denon D.D.S.C.-HD".
It is also interesting that the 3800 clearly mentions the Relta in the product info, the spec sheet, and every press release. The 2500 simply lists "10-bit prcessing for i/p and scaling circuit". I would imagine some kind of deinterlacing and upconversion of SD is happening but the chipset is not clear.
Looking at the photos of the products, the 2500 is missing the TrueHD, DTS-HD, DD+ and HQV logos. I can only imagine one reason why they are on the 3800 and missing from the 2500 and that is those components are missing.
IHMO at this point by looking at the two specs sheets the major differences are:
3800 has Realta and the 2500 does not (some other upconversion on 2500?).
3800 supports internal decoding and bitstream of HD audio, the 2500 is bitstream only.
3800 has analog outputs (audio & video) and the 2500 is HDMI only.
3800 has "Advanced AL24 Processing" (some sort of DSP to improve CD/DVD audio?) and the 2500 does not.
3800 has D.D.S.C.-HD (I believe this is just marketspeak for internal decoder?) and 2500 does not.
Anyone catch any other differences?
BTW I love minimalistic designs. Take a look at that back panel of the 2500, you can't get any more minimalistic than that. Even though it may be no more capable than the next bitstream player I just like the idea of removing the unnecessary parts. I only wish this player was BD Live (2.0) and had an Ethernet jack and I would be sold. I may grab the Panny BD50 and wait for the "next" Denon player (which I am sure will be 2.0) but maybe the reviews will impress me.
Here are the best images I have seen so far of the Denon 2500 & 3800 (from Denon USA)DVD-2500BTCI ($999 MSRP)DVD-3800BDCI ($1999 MSRP)