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Looking for a good 1080p HDTV for gaming.

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I have been looking for a good 40 - 50 inch 1080p gaming tv for a while now, and a few RPTVs have caught my eye, such as the Samsung HLT5076S, the Sony KDS50A2020. A Flat panel LCD has me interested as well, the Samsung LNT4065F.

I don't know nearly as much about RPTVs as I do about LCDs so I thought it would be a good idea to ask the experts about them. I can see silk screen effects rather easily and I haven't seen rainbows before if that makes a big difference. And for those who know Plasmas I can see yellow flashes which plasma experts say is similar to rainbows on DLP, and that has me worried. I have all three of the new systems (PS3, 360, and Wii) and I plan on watching a few Blu-ray movies through my PS3 as well. So 1080p through Component and HDMI is a must, and good 480i/p scaling is needed as well.

I have read the Cnet reviews on the Sony SXRD and the Samsung LCD but they have yet to review the Samsung DLP. I have also read the owners threads for the above HDTVs as well. I plan on picking which ever one I decide on in a few weeks time so I'm not in a hurry, although I am very excited upgrade my old 20inch CRT SDTV to a larger HDTV.

Any input or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Does anyone have any advice or recommendations?
post #3 of 30
Any RPTV makes a great gaming monitor compared to Plasma (I.R.) or LCD (response time). There have been many recent threads comparing some of the DLP/LCOS models. Or you can start tackling the big threads dedicated to each model you listed above.

If you are sensitive to LCD video lag, DLP rainbows or Plasma flashes, and you require 1080p over both component and HDMI, then the upcoming Sony KDS-50A3000 fits the bill. It may not have the best 480i scaler in the world, but if you can output 1080p anyway, it doesn't matter. It also supports 120Hz refresh rate and HDMI 1.3. It's the model I'm waiting to see in person.

-Robert

Edit: If you want to buy this at the end of August or beginning of September when it comes out, you will certainly pay a premium. I'd wait a little longer. If you MUST have one NOW, then I don't have a recommendation for you.
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Originally Posted by Valnar View Post

Any RPTV makes a great gaming monitor compared to Plasma (I.R.) or LCD (response time). There have been many recent threads comparing some of the DLP/LCOS models. Or you can start tackling the big threads dedicated to each model you listed above.

If you are sensitive to LCD video lag, DLP rainbows or Plasma flashes, and you require 1080p over both component and HDMI, then the upcoming Sony KDS-50A3000 fits the bill. It may not have the best 480i scaler in the world, but if you can output 1080p anyway, it doesn't matter. It also supports 120Hz refresh rate and HDMI 1.3. It's the model I'm waiting to see in person.

-Robert

Edit: If you want to buy this at the end of August or beginning of September when it comes out, you will certainly pay a premium. I'd wait a little longer. If you MUST have one NOW, then I don't have a recommendation for you.

I am in no hurry for a new TV, but the main concern that I have with LCoS is that it has a 2.5ms responce time, which is much slower than DLP. I will look into the 50A3000 to see how it stacks up (and to see just how bad the sticker shock will be)

The price on Sonystyle.com is high, but CC and BB prices should be much lower and the glass screens should prevent geometry issues.... but the 50 inch comes out a month later than the 55 and 60 inch models..... come on Sony.

I have read the owners threads on all three of the TVs that I listed (although I think that I am going to drop the LCD from the running) And the geometry issues with the Samsung slim dlp have me worried about that as well.

Could you post a link to information about the A3000?
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The first link in google if you type kds-50a3000 points to a CNET article with some preliminary information. It's about what most people know at this time. Sony also has their info up at their web site

Robert
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Originally Posted by Valnar View Post

The first link in google if you type kds-50a3000 points to a CNET article with some preliminary information. It's about what most people know at this time. Sony also has their info up at their web site

Robert

How much better is the A3000 going to be from the A2020? I know that the 2020 has a few problems but is it worth the extra cash to upgrade? And how does LCoS's 2.5ms response time stack up against DLPs sub 1ms response time? I have read that a few people do have problems with motion blur on LCoS that does not happen with DLP.

I don't think that I can see rainbows with DLP, but I have never really looked for them, is there an easy way to spot them in a store display? (walmart has a cheap RCA that might be a good guinea pig to check out for the RBE)

I also saw that BB has a very cheap 50inch Toshiba that might be worth looking into for the price, though it is only 720p the very low price makes it tempting.
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

I am in no hurry for a new TV, but the main concern that I have with LCoS is that it has a 2.5ms responce time, which is much slower than DLP. I will look into the 50A3000 to see how it stacks up (and to see just how bad the sticker shock will be)

The price on Sonystyle.com is high, but CC and BB prices should be much lower and the glass screens should prevent geometry issues.... but the 50 inch comes out a month later than the 55 and 60 inch models..... come on Sony.

I have read the owners threads on all three of the TVs that I listed (although I think that I am going to drop the LCD from the running) And the geometry issues with the Samsung slim dlp have me worried about that as well.

Could you post a link to information about the A3000?

I have the Sony 2020 and Love it. Have a 360 and a PS3 and games look great on it no slow down at all. The picture quality is out of this world in Hi Def and good to great in SD.. IMHO the added features the 3000 will give does not warrent the $1,000 + more you will pay for it not even close.. I would not touch a Samsung HLT series model with a 10 foot pole they are plagued with geometry issues!!! Seen some people that have been through multiple sets and tech visits with the same problems run do not walk away from the Samsung..
post #8 of 30
I wish I could answer your questions but I do not have one yet. I do know after listing all the pros and cons, that the SXRD comes out to be the best option for me. The cons on the other brands are insurmountable, IMO. I can live with a 2.5ms response time. It's far better than 6-12ms found in LCD's. I don't notice the blur myself unless I'm right on the TV. I do notice RBE in certain circumstances on DLP's and motion blur on 8ms LCD panels, but just barely.

As for getting the A2020 now over a A3000? Well, only you can answer that. But if you like the looks of a Toshiba because it's even cheaper, the initial price of the A3000 may be out of your price range. Jump on a A2020. You still get 1080p over HDMI, but not component or VGA.

Robert
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good luck finding anA2020. they are getting harder and harder to find
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I have read the owners threads on all three of the TVs that I listed (although I think that I am going to drop the LCD from the running) And the geometry issues with the Samsung slim dlp have me worried about that as well.

I recently dumped my sharp aquos 46 for a sammy 61DLP but I went with the 88 series, much stronger cabinets, the 76 series has many issues due to the ultra slim cabinet, people I personally know had to return they're 76 series sammys because of a warp in the picture, it seems this happens because the cabinet flexes a bit when the TV is moved. Either way, at least go look at the sammy dlps, you wont be dissapionted with either the PQ or the $$//
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I wish I could answer your questions but I do not have one yet. I do know after listing all the pros and cons, that the SXRD comes out to be the best option for me. The cons on the other brands are insurmountable, IMO. I can live with a 2.5ms response time. It's far better than 6-12ms found in LCD's. I don't notice the blur myself unless I'm right on the TV. I do notice RBE in certain circumstances on DLP's and motion blur on 8ms LCD panels, but just barely.

As for getting the A2020 now over a A3000? Well, only you can answer that. But if you like the looks of a Toshiba because it's even cheaper, the initial price of the A3000 may be out of your price range. Jump on a A2020. You still get 1080p over HDMI, but not component or VGA.

Robert

The fact that the Toshiba is nearly $800 cheaper than the Sony is reason enough to at least consider it. I have yet to see either in person, since the nearest CC or BB is 55 miles away, I have very few chances to see TVs in person so I try to learn as much as I can so that when I do get to look, I know what to look for. I will have to see the A2020 in person to tell if the A3000 will be worth waiting for and if it is, then I will wait a few months for the price to drop (and to see what problems emerge). Even though playing all the Fall games on a 20inch Emerson SDTV will be painful, knowing that I will get to replay them on a 50 inch 1080p will help me through the wait.
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I have been doing some research on LCD RPTV's and LCoS, and my local Post Exchange has a Sony KDF50E2000 for $999.99 and a JVC HD-ILA 56" for $1547. I can't decide which to buy. Anyone have some suggestions?
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Originally Posted by fsubulldog View Post

I have been doing some research on LCD RPTV's and LCoS, and my local Post Exchange has a Sony KDF50E2000 for $999.99 and a JVC HD-ILA 56" for $1547. I can't decide which to buy. Anyone have some suggestions?

The Sony is a LCD RPTV with a 12ms response time which isn't very good these days. The JVC LCoS is the better pick but I have never seen one in person, so you might want to wait for someone who has to chime in. A Sony SXRD LCoS isn't that much more than the JVC either....
post #14 of 30
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The fact that the Toshiba is nearly $800 cheaper than the Sony is reason enough to at least consider it. I have yet to see either in person, since the nearest CC or BB is 55 miles away, I have very few chances to see TVs in person so I try to learn as much as I can so that when I do get to look, I know what to look for. I will have to see the A2020 in person to tell if the A3000 will be worth waiting for and if it is, then I will wait a few months for the price to drop (and to see what problems emerge). Even though playing all the Fall games on a 20inch Emerson SDTV will be painful, knowing that I will get to replay them on a 50 inch 1080p will help me through the wait.

The reason the Toshiba is sooo cheap is the fact it is 720P and the Sony is FULL 1080P!! Big Big Diffrence.. Not sure it is worht an $800 diffrence that is up to the buyer.. I went witha 1080P since besides the extra resolution the 1080P sets have alot of extra features that the 720P sets do not have at times.. 1080P sets alot of times have More inputs, extra setting adjustments, better contrast ratio etc.. Also I heard Toshiba was about to get out of the RP biz.. They also have a problem with screen door effect. Looked at them as well prior to grabing a Sony...
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The reason the Toshiba is sooo cheap is the fact it is 720P and the Sony is FULL 1080P!! Big Big Diffrence.. Not sure it is worht an $800 diffrence that is up to the buyer.. I went witha 1080P since besides the extra resolution the 1080P sets have alot of extra features that the 720P sets do not have at times.. 1080P sets alot of times have More inputs, extra setting adjustments, better contrast ratio etc.. Also I heard Toshiba was about to get out of the RP biz.. They also have a problem with screen door effect. Looked at them as well prior to grabing a Sony...

I plan on holding out for the 50 inch A3000 even though it comes out a full month after the 55 and 60 inch models I don't think that I have that much room and anything over 50 inches is probably too big for gaming on in my small space anyway.
By then the A2020 will probably be near imposible to find and the price difference won't be that big after a month or two of it being out. (I hope)

One thing that I noticed about the A3000 vs the A2020 is that the 3000 has 3 HDMI and 2 component, while the 2020 has 2 HDMI and 3 component. This seems a bit odd that they would drop a component input, although you still get 3 extra 1080p inputs on the 3000 over the 2020.
post #16 of 30
Don't worry about a 2.5 ms response time, there's no blur.

The thing to remember about response times is that the printed time is not enough information to know exactly how it's going to behave. Different companies measure response time differently and they don't tell you how they measured it.

We really need an independent source to measure the response times of all these displays to do a proper comparison.
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I plan on holding out for the 50 inch A3000 even though it comes out a full month after the 55 and 60 inch models I don't think that I have that much room and anything over 50 inches is probably too big for gaming on in my small space anyway.
By then the A2020 will probably be near imposible to find and the price difference won't be that big after a month or two of it being out. (I hope)

One thing that I noticed about the A3000 vs the A2020 is that the 3000 has 3 HDMI and 2 component, while the 2020 has 2 HDMI and 3 component. This seems a bit odd that they would drop a component input, although you still get 3 extra 1080p inputs on the 3000 over the 2020.


The 3000 will more than likely never be near the price of the 2020. The 3000 is really not taking over for the 2020 in fact it is a seperate model all together. The 2020 is the entry level, the 3000 is their mid level, and the XRB is the high end model. The 3000 started at $2,999 where the 2020 started at $1,999 IMHO the $1,000 diffrence does not warrent an extra HDMI 2 is plenty for me most stuff is component anyway, VGA being able to do 1080P I have that with my HDMI..
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The 3000 will more than likely never be near the price of the 2020. The 3000 is really not taking over for the 2020 in fact it is a separate model all together. The 2020 is the entry level, the 3000 is their mid level, and the XRB is the high end model. The 3000 started at $2,999 where the 2020 started at $1,999 IMHO the $1,000 difference does not warrant an extra HDMI 2 is plenty for me most stuff is component anyway, VGA being able to do 1080P I have that with my HDMI..

But the 2020 doesn't have 1080p over component only 1080i (I have a premium 360 so I need 1080p over component), and the 2020 has color accuracy problems that the 3000 probably won't have. And to top it off the 50 inch A3000 has dropped to a $2299.99 MSRP on the Sony site and it is still 2 months from release.
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But the 2020 doesn't have 1080p over component only 1080i (I have a premium 360 so I need 1080p over component), and the 2020 has color accuracy problems that the 3000 probably won't have. And to top it off the 50 inch A3000 has dropped to a $2299.99 MSRP on the Sony site and it is still 2 months from release.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain PENDRAG0ON. You want the A3000, just like me.

Robert
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But the 2020 doesn't have 1080p over component only 1080i (I have a premium 360 so I need 1080p over component), and the 2020 has color accuracy problems that the 3000 probably won't have. And to top it off the 50 inch A3000 has dropped to a $2299.99 MSRP on the Sony site and it is still 2 months from release.

I have a Mitsubishi WD-57731 57" TV, It has a very good picture last I looked when I had a working lamp and It's a 1080P model, Component I think does 1080i, But the TV upconverts 1080i to 1080p, I have a PS2 and It looks really good on Component(2 ports) and My Sat TV Box(Dish HD Vip211) uses HDMI(2 ports) and I have a DVI-I port with audio nearby for the DVI-I port for My PC, Plus two iLink(1394a) connections which some DVD recorders/VHS players can use, Plus other A/V ports front and rear.

Edit: Oh and the Lamp is user replaceable, One needs to wear gloves to keep oily fingerprints off the new lamp(after the old lamp has cooled of course) and the filter on the lamp module should be checked for dust from time to time and vacuumed, one also needs a good quality air purifier to keep the dust at bay(Sears or Honeywell Enviracare, I'm looking at the Honeywell).
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain PENDRAG0ON. You want the A3000, just like me.

Robert

I keep looking at pictures of the 2020 vs the 3000 and I actually like the 2020 design a bit better, I might ask a few questions on the 2020 owners thread about the 1080i deinterlacing and the color accuracy issues to see if the 3000 is worth the wait.
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But the 2020 doesn't have 1080p over component only 1080i (I have a premium 360 so I need 1080p over component), and the 2020 has color accuracy problems that the 3000 probably won't have. And to top it off the 50 inch A3000 has dropped to a $2299.99 MSRP on the Sony site and it is still 2 months from release.

The deinterlacing of this set is so good I have heard reports form this board that you can not tell that big of a diffrence between 1080I and 1080P. The colors on this set are dead on IMHO..
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

But the 2020 doesn't have 1080p over component only 1080i (I have a premium 360 so I need 1080p over component), and the 2020 has color accuracy problems that the 3000 probably won't have. And to top it off the 50 inch A3000 has dropped to a $2299.99 MSRP on the Sony site and it is still 2 months from release.

Other things you should take into account are the fact there are so many restrictions on hardware (HDCP requirements, AACS, etc). They won't even necessarily output 1080p over the component outputs, even if capable to satisfy the requirements. This is the case if you have an HD-DVD player with the Xbox 360. Restricted to 1080i over component and 1080p only allowed over HDMI/VGA.

Because of this I just ordered a refurb 50" A2000 (same as an A2020 but black/silver instead) from sonystyle for $1199 shipped free with 1 year warranty... woo!
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Other things you should take into account are the fact there are so many restrictions on hardware (HDCP requirements, AACS, etc). They won't even necessarily output 1080p over the component outputs, even if capable to satisfy the requirements. This is the case if you have an HD-DVD player with the Xbox 360. Restricted to 1080i over component and 1080p only allowed over HDMI/VGA.

Because of this I just ordered a refurb 50" A2000 (same as an A2020 but black/silver instead) from sonystyle for $1199 shipped free with 1 year warranty... woo!

Wow, you got a good deal, congrats. I don't plan on using the HD-DVD drive anytime in the near future but thanks for the info.
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The deinterlacing of this set is so good I have heard reports form this board that you can not tell that big of a diffrence between 1080I and 1080P. The colors on this set are dead on IMHO..

Gaming is different. With 1080i, it will be like running in 30fps instead of 60-fps.
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Gaming is different. With 1080i, it will be like running in 30fps instead of 60-fps.

I agree, with gaming it does matter. You could, however, go with the A2000/A2020 and put the money into an HDMI receiver (or video processor, for that matter) that will accept 1080p over component and output it over HDMI. Just an option. I have a PS3, so it's not a problem.
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I agree, with gaming it does matter. You could, however, go with the A2000/A2020 and put the money into an HDMI receiver (or video processor, for that matter) that will accept 1080p over component and output it over HDMI. Just an option. I have a PS3, so it's not a problem.

Or I could run it in 720p and let the TV scale it to 1080p that way the 60fps progressive scan should be left intact (most 360 games run in 720p anyway) Would this work?
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I could run it in 720p and let the TV scale it to 1080p that way the 60fps progressive scan should be left intact (most 360 games run in 720p anyway) Would this work?

Would this work, or should I hold out for the 50A3000? (And miss out playing Halo 3 day 1 on a big screen)
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Would this work, or should I hold out for the 50A3000? (And miss out playing Halo 3 day 1 on a big screen)


Sure, I don't see why not. It appears Halo 3 isn't going to be "Native" 1080p anyways, and would end up being scaled by the 360's hardware.

Also any future games that come out for the 360 and claim "Native 1080p" doesn't necessarily mean it will be 1080p60 it could end up being 1080p30 as that it still a native signal. (I have a 360 and PS3 and this seems to be the implied for both systems).
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Or I could run it in 720p and let the TV scale it to 1080p that way the 60fps progressive scan should be left intact (most 360 games run in 720p anyway) Would this work?

That would work fine. Most games will like 720p better anyway because it's 1/2 the graphics overhead of 1080 and the 360 just doesn't have the horsepower to use 1080 with a fast action game. 1080 will be more applicable to adventures and slow moving stuff, which wouldn't noticeably affected by interlacing.
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