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post #181 of 1028
Oh, ITA with what you've said here. I loved last night's ep too. It showed that Hank really is a very caring guy. I also especially loved that last scene with Becca. It' brought tears to my eyes Also for the first time i felt sorry for Mia. Seems to me that she and her dad are not very close. Loved the way Hank stood up for his ex at the fund raiser too. David hit all the right marks with this ep. Great job!
post #182 of 1028
Yes, this show is developing some depth. Looks like a long term watch.
post #183 of 1028
How is this being received in the US? Over here there are all sorts of troubles started by religious groups demanding the removal of the show (it is on FTA here).

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22325716-2,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23...007146,00.html
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=286983
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...007132,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...-10388,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...2-7582,00.html

Is it getting any similar form of response to what we are (unfortunately) seeing here?
post #184 of 1028
I haven't heard of any backlash, but that's not to say it isn't there. I thought this week's ep was pretty good, but I'm not ready to say it's getting better (yet). I'm very much looking forward to Dexter coming back .
post #185 of 1028
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How is this being received in the US? Over here there are all sorts of troubles started by religious groups demanding the removal of the show (it is on FTA here).

In the US, Californication is on a premium cable channel (Showtime). This is typically sold as a package of 10-15 movie channels for $10 to $18/mo, depending on the provider.

Americans would never tolerate anything like Californication available in the clear for all kids to watch.
post #186 of 1028
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I haven't heard of any backlash

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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Americans would never tolerate anything like Californication available in the clear for all kids to watch.

Around 1m viewers in Australia (quite good figures for a 9:45pm show) seem to enjoy it too, it is just the few who seem to be the vocal minority. Interesting you say it wouldn't be accepted in America on FTA, I often hear that sort of thing. I guess also the fact that we still only have so few stations (5) and most don't have PayTV means more will be shown here as a result.

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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

In the US, Californication is on a premium cable channel... typically sold as a package 10-15 movie channels for $10 to $18/mo, depending on the provider.

Not a bad price, I wish we had similar. It is good then that it is free here and so close to the US air date.

You say also about Dexter, that is coming back soon but we haven't even had a sign of season one here. Thankfully I had the chance to see it anyway - a worthwhile show and although different, has the same quality to it as Californication. That too is a Showtime production if memory serves me, I am sure I saw the Showtime branding at the start.
post #187 of 1028
Californication is adult fare and would certainly be inappropriate for primetime viewing on an OTA network. The only reason Showtime and HBO can get by with such stuff is that they are subscription services. It all started when HBO started showing movies in their uncut theatrical release form for a fee. In those years all movies that ran on the OTA networks were edited for language and content, because even allowing an occasional damn or hell on TV was a no-no and nudity of any sort, unthinkable.
post #188 of 1028
Another country more puritanical than we are?

I'm proud to be an American.
post #189 of 1028
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Another country more puritanical than we are?

I'm proud to be an American.

I thought that was a bit unusual as well.
post #190 of 1028
Advertisers withdraw after Californication chastised

By Marcus Casey

September 06, 2007 12:00am

ADVERTISERS yesterday expressed surprise their commercials had appeared during Channel 10's controversial Californication program.

Both the Holden and Holeproof companies yesterday confirmed they had pulled advertisements from the show after they aired in the first episode.

Spokesmen for both advertisers said they made the decision after customer complaints and were yesterday praised by Christian groups for doing so.

Religious groups have also called for a boycott of the program by sponsors as it depicts explicit sex scenes, language, drug use and lewd behaviour by its star David Duchovny.

But other companies contacted by The Daily Telegraph were unaware their commercials had appeared in Monday's second episode. That included film distributor Buena Vista, Flora Pro-Activ, Wrigley's, and Tooheys New beer-maker Lion Nathan.

Buena Vista had placed ads for its Pixar children's animated film Ratatouille, about a rat working as a chef in a Parisian restaurant.

"That's a surprise to us and obviously that program does not fit the demographic we are chasing," a spokeswoman said. "We should have been alerted."

The situation arose because the companies had booked "spot" ads, which Ten would place in different programs aimed at target demographics.

While agencies would have been alerted which shows their ads would air in, none of the above firms knew until alerted by The Daily Telegraph.

A Lion Nathan spokeswoman said it was happy to have its beer promoted during the show and said complaints should be directed to Free TV Australia.

.http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html
post #191 of 1028
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To each his own, but I would fundamentally disagree with your premise. This show, while entertaining and containing a wonderfully large amount of boobage, is nowhere near JfC in terms of the weight of talent brought to bear on the production. Understand that I may be considered an "apologist" for that show, but I thought it was brilliant. Weird, yes; opaque, mostly; confounding, occasionally; but nonetheless brilliant. I was hugely disappointed there won't be a second season. I'm sure there are one or two others who feel likewise.

Absolutely. Stop over at the HBO site to see the fan-written episodes 11 & 12. John lives on!
post #192 of 1028
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Lets drop the JFC crap? That loser isnt even on SHowtime.

"The resentments are part of the story. I'm no lame." - John, via youtube
post #193 of 1028
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Another country more puritanical than we are?

I'm proud to be an American.

If Californication had aired on CBS rather than Showtime, I think some prosecutor somewhere would have sought the death penalty against somebody. Trust. Janet has been completely ostracized for 1/2 a second of accidental boobage that Justin Timberlake (he of the recent HBO special) caused to be revealed, not her. But I digress....

-Cross
post #194 of 1028
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Absolutely. Stop over at the HBO site to see the fan-written episodes 11 & 12. John lives on!

Um.... you got a URL for that? Couldn't find such an animal on the HBO site. Tried to download the podcasts (didn't know they had those for JfC, either) but iTunes says they're not available in the U.S. WTF?! Maybe HBO is shutting down the website, little by little.
post #195 of 1028
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Um.... you got a URL for that? Couldn't find such an animal on the HBO site. Tried to download the podcasts (didn't know they had those for JfC, either) but iTunes says they're not available in the U.S. WTF?! Maybe HBO is shutting down the website, little by little.

Here is the website for member-created threads, where you can find episodes 11 & 12:

http://boards.hbo.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700004997
post #196 of 1028
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If Californication had aired on CBS rather than Showtime, I think some prosecutor somewhere would have sought the death penalty against somebody. Trust. Janet has been completely ostracized for 1/2 a second of accidental boobage that Justin Timberlake (he of the recent HBO special) caused to be revealed, not her. But I digress....

-Cross

ITA with you. It still blows my mind that it's being shown on regular commercial TV. As much as i love the show i do not approve of that at all.
post #197 of 1028
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I thought that [the hysterical reactions of Aussie Bible Thumpers to Californication] was a bit unusual as well.

In fairness to our friends Down Under, we should probably concede that our fundamentalists would have been up in arms, too, if Californication had been shown on a commercial network here. I applaud the Aussie broadcasters who had the nerve to run it and their advertisers who sponsored it, although the cowardice of those who dropped their sponsorships in the face of criticism from the holier-than-thou crowd was disappointing.
post #198 of 1028
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Here is the website for member-created threads, where you can find episodes 11 & 12:

http://boards.hbo.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700004997

LOL! Cute stuff. However, I'd sure like to find out what's happened with the podcasts - have you tried to download them, Doug? It actually says they're "not available in the US store (iTunes).

Oh, and sorry for temporarily hijacking the 'Cali' thread; we'll be out of here in a minute....
post #199 of 1028
LOL

Knowing the Christian's hate the show makes me love it even more...

I hope the show gets many more seasons...
post #200 of 1028
I wonder when we'll find out if Showtime renews it for next year.
post #201 of 1028
And kind of how i feel about things. This is a blog from someone in Sydney and how they feel about the show on public TV there.

Liz & Darrow In Sydney
This is the chronicle of 2 Americans' journey through an Australian medical school.

Thursday, September 06, 2007
Californication...
is a new TV show starring David Duchovny as a famous author who hasn't cranked out a book in quite a while. Darrow and i have watched this show for the past 2 weeks during it's regular time slot (Monday at 9:30 pm) on Australia's "TEN" network. For those of you not from Australia, Ten is a channel we get just from plugging our TV into the wall. We don't pay for any cable--we only get 4 or 5 channels, and Ten is one of them. During the first commercial break of the 1st episode, i turned to Darrow and proclaimed,"We already saw 6 boobs in the 1st 1o minutes!" The show is pretty graphic with many F-bombs, sex scenes, drug use, etc. I was actually pretty surprised that this TV show was allowed on free TV at 9:30 pm.

In the US, this show appears on Showtime. Showtime is a premium cable TV channel in the US. That means, those with basic cable don't get it. You have to pay extra money for channels like Showtime and HBO (the channel that happily housed the Sopranos, Sex and the City, etc). So, i was shocked (and happy!) that we in Australia could get a show that Americans had to pay extra for on free TV. I thought that the Christian groups and censorship groups that seem so prevalent in the US must not exist here for them to put this sort of show on free TV.

I was wrong! There have been calls to boycott the show, the network, and any products advertised during the show by the director of the Australian Christian Lobby, and candlelight vigils by Catholic priests. It seems that they had issues with a scene where 2 adults smoke pot and then vomit on a painting. Also, Andrew Bolt, a columnist for the Herald Sun has labelled anyone affiliated with the show as a "pornographer."

Darrow and i actually quite enjoyed the show and hope it's not taken off the air. While on one hand it's dark and sad to witness the downward spiral of a man who (probably) has good intentions, on the other hand, it's funny & witty, and such a far cry from the other crap on TV: Big Brother 56, Idol, SVU, CSI, XYZ etc. That being said, i actually agree with the Christian and family groups! Gasp! I don't really think this show should be on free TV. If people want to see 4 sets of boobies in 40 minutes, they should have to pay for that!! And at 9:30 PM, most preteens and teens are still awake. I do think that parents should have some sort of responsibility over what their children are watching and doing, but let's face it: parents can't be around at all times and having the show on premium cable/satellite TV would make blocking it easier, so that kids can't watch the program even if the parents are not around. The depressing thing, however, is that if your kids aren't watching it at your house, an Ohio State University study has shown that (DUH!!!!), they will watch it at a friend' s house. There will always be some parent who is the "cool" one and lets the kids drink at home & watch adult TV shows and movies, or the parents who simply don't know how to work the program restriction methods on their TV. I remember being in 8th grade (13 yrs old) and watching the Spice channel at a friend's house. For those of you who didn't grow up in the late 80's/early 90's in the US, Spice is a porn channel that some homes picked up for free accidentally, although it was very fuzzy & grainy. We didn't watch it for any other reason except for that it was something novel and something we weren't supposed to do!

So, i guess kids will be kids, and will always want to do that which they are restricted from doing. Perhaps it would be safer if this show was on pay TV, or if it was on at 11:30 pm instead of 9:30, but kids would still find a way to watch it!

Posted by Liz at 11:20 AM

Labels: Australia, Nerdy Musings
post #202 of 1028
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

In fairness to our friends Down Under, we should probably concede that our fundamentalists would have been up in arms, too, if Californication had been shown on a commercial network here. I applaud the Aussie broadcasters who had the nerve to run it and their advertisers who sponsored it, although the cowardice of those who dropped their sponsorships in the face of criticism from the holier-than-thou crowd was disappointing.

True, and it sounds like the way advertisements are handled down under is a little different than up here. From a quick perusal of some of those articles it looks like the advertisers didn't have any warning where, or what show, their ads would air. Understandable they might get upset. Hard to imagine that sort of thing happening up here.

I applaud the broadcasters as well as you know they knew full well what sort of material it was before it was aired. If they had tailored the ads to "fit" there may have been a bit less uproar.
post #203 of 1028
The number of boobies seems to be diminishing with each passing episode. With the exception of the recap at the beginning, they were conspicuous by their absence in the most recent episode. I expect to see 4 sets in every episode dammit!
post #204 of 1028
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I wonder when we'll find out if Showtime renews it for next year.

Hopefully fredfa can give us some insight after this first season has finished.

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The number of boobies seems to be diminishing with each passing episode.

I also noticed this.

Great show. Too bad my father does not have Showtime. I bet he would love this show.
post #205 of 1028
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

The number of boobies seems to be diminishing with each passing episode. With the exception of the recap at the beginning, they were conspicuous by their absence in the most recent episode. I expect to see 4 sets in every episode dammit!

I agree that the boob count has diminished in recent weeks. The upside, though, has been that the storylines have become even more entertaining and the scatological one-liners have continued to appear with delightful regularity. Let the good times roll!
post #206 of 1028
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

The number of boobies seems to be diminishing with each passing episode. With the exception of the recap at the beginning, they were conspicuous by their absence in the most recent episode. I expect to see 4 sets in every episode dammit!

It's called bait and switch ... one of the oldest tricks around
post #207 of 1028
Here are the numbers. I have no idea if they are good or not. I think it's pretty much holding around the same numbers. But i think the 18 to 49 number went down.

/3/07
Weeds (Showtime, 10pm, 27 minutes)
- 0.735 million viewers
- 0.5/1 HH
- 0.4/1 A18-49

Californication (Showtime, 10:30pm, 28 minutes)
- 0.612 million viewers
- 0.4/1 HH
- 0.3/1 A18-49
post #208 of 1028
Getting back to the point, this week's episode was outstanding. The show is getting better and better every week.
post #209 of 1028
A friend from Australia sent this to one of my lists

Out of curiousity, I called Channel 10 in Melbourne to ask whether
they were interested in positive feedback for Californication in
light of all the crap they've been getting online from a lot of
people. The girl I spoke to said that they've had a mix of feedback,
both good and bad... that it wasn't all negative.

I mentioned that in light of advertisers pulling their ads, was it
worth anybody writing in or the like, and she said that writing in
is fine, but phone call feedback is also registered.

So, if you're interested in letting Channel 10 know that the
Christian Right's attitude and influence is annoying you, and that
you like the show, give them a call.


Sydney: 02 96501010
Melbourne: 03 92751010
Brisbane: 07 32141010
Adelaide: 08 82251010
Perth: 08 93451010
post #210 of 1028
It's refreshing to learn that blble thumping activism isn't solely a U.S. phenomenon.
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