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post #7651 of 8767
9/22/08 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by DaveyDukes View Post

That sounds as fun as Russian Roulette. Good luck finding someone who wants to possibly brick their 2G AVR. If you read the NR906 thread Jon S who had a 905 and now a 906 says the Reon works much better at upscaling although it is unknown if the colorspace issue is resolved, so it seems its been tweaked a bit. Possibly better Reon implementation at the board.

Just so I understand, in short this colorspace issue is that when it upscales SD content to HD, it retains the SD colorspace rather than converting the picture to the HD colorspace?

I think that's right. Then the display, sensing an HD signal, tries to use an HD colorspace to decode, resulting in errors.

As for Russian Roulette, several of the 805 owners who initially bricked their units were eventually able to get out of it by reverting back to their original firmware. So, it's hard to say what the overall risk is. But you're right, it is risky.

As for the Reon implementation, all of this discussion is contingent on no hardware change. Otherwise, all bets are off.
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post #7652 of 8767
9/22/08 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by jimjr View Post

I think that's right. Then the display, sensing an HD signal, tries to use an HD colorspace to decode, resulting in errors.

As for the Reon implementation, all of this discussion is contingent on no hardware change. Otherwise, all bets are off.

So we wait for a daring 905 user. I think if the guts are the same there should be no issue. Then again I am not a electrical engineer. I just play on on TV...

Someone needs to dissaemble one and compare - I think one person who has vanished from the forum knows the real answer but he will never tell.
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post #7653 of 8767
9/23/08 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

I'd talk to a manager/supervisor at Vann's, explain the situation in detail. I wouldn't pay anything extra for the 906. (You could always suggest they send the $300 bill to Onkyo to pay I figured some would get a laugh with that last statement)
But seriously I think if you talk to to someone higher up at Vann's they might do it even exchange especially since it was damaged in shipping and they aren't getting anymore of the 905.

I tried that the manager would only deduct $100 off their selling price. Have me over a barrel basically. I either pay to ship it to a Service Center to repair or pay the extra 300 for a 906. Or just get my money back on the 905. Vann's had the BEST price on both of all the Authorized Online Dealers.

I went for the 906 !!!!
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post #7654 of 8767
9/23/08 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by AlienX69 View Post

I tried that the manager would only deduct $100 off their selling price. Have me over a barrel basically. I either pay to ship it to a Service Center to repair or pay the extra 300 for a 906. Or just get my money back on the 905. Vann's had the BEST price on both of all the Authorized Online Dealers.

I went for the 906 !!!!

You should have just asked for your money back.
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post #7655 of 8767
9/23/08 at 12:51pm
There are comments out there pointing to identical hardware 905 / 906.
As such only the firmware would be different.

The Reon "implementation", if based on a reference design as usual, is just a matter of firmware...

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Originally Posted by DaveyDukes View Post

That sounds as fun as Russian Roulette. Good luck finding someone who wants to possibly brick their 2G AVR. If you read the NR906 thread Jon S who had a 905 and now a 906 says the Reon works much better at upscaling although it is unknown if the colorspace issue is resolved, so it seems its been tweaked a bit. Possibly better Reon implementation at the board.

Just so I understand, in short this colorspace issue is that when it upscales SD content to HD, it retains the SD colorspace rather than converting the picture to the HD colorspace?
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post #7656 of 8767
9/23/08 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Jay_Davis View Post

You should have just asked for your money back.

They were GLAD to give the money back NO PROBLEM, but I still need a AVR ..... do a search for a BLACK 905 (TX-905B) from an Authorized Dealer for $1400 or a 906 for $300 more that includes a 5 yr X-Warranty for $49.99.

EDIT: I was settled on either the Denon 4308CI or the 905, the 905 was way cheaper (again from and Authorized Dealer). I was going to purchase a 4308CI off CostCo Online (non-AD) it was there on a Monday (needed a day to think about it), it was gone on Tuesday that was two weeks ago. All the Denon AD's want 2500+ for the 4308.
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post #7657 of 8767
9/24/08 at 10:26am
is it true that the 905 and 906 have identical hardware? where can i find comparisons. I received my 905 today and plugged it in, turned it on and ...

POP ! (spark) grey white puff of smoke... It came from about midway on the far right side of the unit (facing front). I am supposed to send it in to onkyo direct to get it repaired. The dealer was surprised, but is going to get me going. He was surprised because he had opened it and tested it for an hour before sending it to avoid this very problem. I am not sure if the open box is how I got the deal on the price or if this was honestly him trying to make sure it did not have this problem.

FYI the unit still works - just no sound (though I only tried the front right and left via fm radio and aux 2 (ipod) before giving up).

I am worried that some parts in the 905 would be discontiuned or no longer stocked and in that case the dealer said I would get a 906.

any advice is happily received
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post #7658 of 8767
9/24/08 at 10:29am
so let me get this straight, you paid for a new receiver that was "open" when you got it because he wanted to test it to avoid any issues. UM HELLO thats CRAZY TALK. Is this dealer authorized because Onkyo wont repair it if he is not. Better check your facts. I would demand a full refund and move on quickly
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post #7659 of 8767
9/24/08 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Olias_Sunhillow View Post

is it true that the 905 and 906 have identical hardware? where can i find comparisons. I received my 905 today and plugged it in, turned it on and ...

POP ! (spark) grey white puff of smoke... It came from about midway on the far right side of the unit (facing front). I am supposed to send it in to onkyo direct to get it repaired. The dealer was surprised, but is going to get me going. He was surprised because he had opened it and tested it for an hour before sending it to avoid this very problem. I am not sure if the open box is how I got the deal on the price or if this was honestly him trying to make sure it did not have this problem.

FYI the unit still works - just no sound (though I only tried the front right and left via fm radio and aux 2 (ipod) before giving up).

I am worried that some parts in the 905 would be discontiuned or no longer stocked and in that case the dealer said I would get a 906.

any advice is happily received


This just does not sound right at all. If you paid for a brand new unopened receiver then that is what you should have gotten. Was this discussed wiht you prior to purchase? If not then I would recommend the dealer send you a brand new unopened unit and let him deal with Onkyo.
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post #7660 of 8767
9/24/08 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by AlienX69 View Post

So is there anyone who can shine a little light on my issue regarding the Xbox 360, surely there must be a few with X360's hooked up to there 905.

All I get on the X360 via HDMI is Audio and horiz lines on the display, which on a 52" LCD the lines are about 1/8"-3/16" wide, no video ? ? ? (see two previous posts for more details)

FYI: One important point .... I purchased from Vann's, they shipped it in a second box with some bubble wrap ..... but the FedEx gorrilas managed to SHATTER the styrofoam end caps in the ORGINAL Onyko carton.... thats right .... each styrofoam end cap broke into 4-6 pieces, little pieces of styrofoam was everywhere inside the Onkyo carton.

Could my HDMI be damaged ? ? ? Or is it truly just some switches/settings ? ? ? Hope it's the later !!

AX

I think you need to reset your 360 for the display. I had problems at first and I set it for 1080i versus 1080p and it worked fine after that.
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post #7661 of 8767
9/24/08 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by NickyD View Post

This just does not sound right at all. If you paid for a brand new unopened receiver then that is what you should have gotten. Was this discussed wiht you prior to purchase? If not then I would recommend the dealer send you a brand new unopened unit and let him deal with Onkyo.

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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

so let me get this straight, you paid for a new receiver that was "open" when you got it because he wanted to test it to avoid any issues. UM HELLO thats CRAZY TALK. Is this dealer authorized because Onkyo wont repair it if he is not. Better check your facts. I would demand a full refund and move on quickly

He claims to be an authorized dealer, but I do not know how to verify that in france. Also I think it was his last 905. He did not ask me about this test. You are right it is fishy. But if I asked him for a full refund I would not be able to afford another 905/6 at that price. Also if I get into it with him I would be afraid of getting left in the cold. Is there a way I can contact onkyo france directly? If he turns out to be a non authorized dealer (which would surprise me since he set up a claim and direct shipping to them for tomorrow) would it void my warranty?

If I do send it in should I ask them to check that the firmware and software is the most current version?

Thanks for your help on this.
Olias
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post #7662 of 8767
9/24/08 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by NickyD View Post

I think you need to reset your 360 for the display.

Reset the 360 HOW ? I looked and didn't see a viable choice from what I remember. (I'll see if I can find a 360 Manual .pdf so I can look at what choices I had).

What did you see on the display at first ? Mine, either horiz line on bottom half and big green squared sections on top half. Or it would be just ALL horiz lines with a tint of Green !!!

I thought I tried ALL the display types (see below, from pg. 53 in .pdf Manual), I know for sure I tried "Through", "Auto" and a few others ...... I will try again when I get home .... and will let you/everyone know !!!

THX for the TIP !!!

If it does work what a bummer, have a 906 being delivered Friday, was planning on sending the 905 back. Will need to decide which to send back if this works. But for SURE mine took a pretty BAD JOLT somewhere as BOTH styrofoam endcaps EXPLODED into at least 7 pieces each, little pieces of styrofoam everywhere. Mine was in a BRAND NEW SEALED carton and double boxed by Vanns. The only thing wrong was they only had the Bubble (large) on the bottom and two sides. The TOP and Two Side were carton-to-carton and I saw the FedEx guy flipping the box to get a better grip. I don't think most of the gorillas can read .... FRAGILE - Handle with Care. I'm leaning towards the 906 (cost me $300 more), but I get piece of mind if the endcaps aren't exploded and I do get the latest hardware. Though everyone seems to think the 905/906 are the same and it's not worth the xtra. I can see your point if you are a current 905 owner, but if you are buying TODAY ? I tried to go with the 905, but supplies are limited from AD's. I need a BLACK one, some AD have these but want almost as much as I can get the 906 for. As I mentioned that is a GOOD deal on a Silver one @ B&H

================ From Pg. 52 of .pdf Manual ============

Use the Up and Down [ ]/[ ]
buttons to select “Resolution,”
and use the Left and Right
[ ]/[ ] buttons to select:
Through:
Select this to pass video
through the AV receiver at the
same resolution and with no
conversion.
Auto:
Select this to have the AV
receiver automatically convert
video at resolutions not
supported by your TV.
480p:
Select this for 480p output
and video conversion as necessary.
(Not available when
the HDMI Monitor setting is
set to No.)
720p:
Select this for 720p output
and video conversion as necessary.
1080i:
Select this for 1080i output
and video conversion as necessary.
1080p:
Select this for 1080p output
and video conversion as necessary.
(Not available when
the HDMI Monitor setting is
set to No.)
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post #7663 of 8767
9/24/08 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Olias_Sunhillow View Post

He claims to be an authorized dealer, but I do not know how to verify that in france. Is there a way I can contact onkyo france directly? Olias

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/indices/inde...8_5961473.html

Then select France on the LEFT !!!

If I were you, just me though .... I would get the REFUND, because of the OPEN BOX ...... my guess is somebody returned and it was not sent back to Onkyo for Recertification. But it depends on the Dealer you are working with, there are so MANY scammers out there !! I ALWAYS go with a TRUSTED source !!!

You definetly NEED to find out if the dealer is in FACT a AD (Authorized Dealer). I would ONLY purchase from an AD, and get a X-Warranty. This is a VERY sophisticated piece of equip., many things could go wrong.
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post #7664 of 8767
9/24/08 at 1:29pm
the good news is that they are an authorized dealer.
This is the first time I shop in france for hifi - so I do not know who to trust.
Also the prices are killing me over here for gear. So many taxes on imported stuff. I could get the 905 for half the price in the states.
I resisted grey market so I would have a guarantee... glad I did!

If I get a refund then I would be far off from being able to get another one. Which means I would end up getting an 806 probably for similar money. At that point isn't it better to stick it out and get this one fixed or refurbished? I am not in a hurry... this is a long term purchase. (though my b&w's are looking sad and lonely )


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Originally Posted by AlienX69 View Post

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/indices/inde...8_5961473.html

Then select France on the LEFT !!!

If I were you, just me though .... I would get the REFUND, because of the OPEN BOX ...... my guess is somebody returned and it was not sent back to Onkyo for Recertification. But it depends on the Dealer you are working with, there are so MANY scammers out there !! I ALWAYS go with a TRUSTED source !!!

You definetly NEED to find out if the dealer is in FACT a AD (Authorized Dealer). I would ONLY purchase from an AD, and get a X-Warranty. This is a VERY sophisticated piece of equip., many things could go wrong.
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post #7665 of 8767
9/24/08 at 1:35pm
Since he is a AD, and he's willing to cover the shipping costs to Onyko, then because of your purchase price being so good then it looks like maybe the repair is OK ..... BUT it is your call.

BUT .... I would get an X-Warranty of 5 yr if available. I paid $49.95 (USD) for my 5yr X-Warranty from Vanns, worth every penny !!! ;-)
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post #7666 of 8767
9/24/08 at 1:40pm
@Olias_Sunhillow,

Just out of curiosity, how much more does he want for a 906 ?

Is your 905 a BLACK unit or Silver ?
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post #7667 of 8767
9/24/08 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by AlienX69 View Post

@Olias_Sunhillow,

Just out of curiosity, how much more does he want for a 906 ?

Is your 905 a BLACK unit or Silver ?

Alienx69 I Personal messaged you the price as per forum policy. click on your name and check your inbox.

it is or was black.
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post #7668 of 8767
9/24/08 at 1:58pm
I saw the first post on this thread and was thinking as long as my amp is going in I should ask them to check the software, hardware, DSP... etc to make sure it is all the latest version... right?

anything else I should check on?

[sorry but I did not wade through the thousands of posts on this thread... ]

olias
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post #7669 of 8767
9/24/08 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Olias_Sunhillow View Post

He claims to be an authorized dealer, but I do not know how to verify that in france. Also I think it was his last 905. He did not ask me about this test. You are right it is fishy. But if I asked him for a full refund I would not be able to afford another 905/6 at that price. Also if I get into it with him I would be afraid of getting left in the cold. Is there a way I can contact onkyo france directly? If he turns out to be a non authorized dealer (which would surprise me since he set up a claim and direct shipping to them for tomorrow) would it void my warranty?

If I do send it in should I ask them to check that the firmware and software is the most current version?

Thanks for your help on this.
Olias


If I read this correctly, he is taking care of shipping it to Onkyo?? If he is doing this and it has been said that he is AD then I would feel more confident. Unfortunately electronics to go bad, even brand new.
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post #7670 of 8767
9/24/08 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by AlienX69 View Post

Reset the 360 HOW ? I looked and didn't see a viable choice from what I remember. (I'll see if I can find a 360 Manual .pdf so I can look at what choices I had).

What did you see on the display at first ? Mine, either horiz line on bottom half and big green squared sections on top half. Or it would be just ALL horiz lines with a tint of Green !!!

I thought I tried ALL the display types (see below, from pg. 53 in .pdf Manual), I know for sure I tried "Through", "Auto" and a few others ...... I will try again when I get home .... and will let you/everyone know !!!

THX for the TIP !!!

If it does work what a bummer, have a 906 being delivered Friday, was planning on sending the 905 back. Will need to decide which to send back if this works. But for SURE mine took a pretty BAD JOLT somewhere as BOTH styrofoam endcaps EXPLODED into at least 7 pieces each, little pieces of styrofoam everywhere. Mine was in a BRAND NEW SEALED carton and double boxed by Vanns. The only thing wrong was they only had the Bubble (large) on the bottom and two sides. The TOP and Two Side were carton-to-carton and I saw the FedEx guy flipping the box to get a better grip. I don't think most of the gorillas can read .... FRAGILE - Handle with Care. I'm leaning towards the 906 (cost me $300 more), but I get piece of mind if the endcaps aren't exploded and I do get the latest hardware. Though everyone seems to think the 905/906 are the same and it's not worth the xtra. I can see your point if you are a current 905 owner, but if you are buying TODAY ? I tried to go with the 905, but supplies are limited from AD's. I need a BLACK one, some AD have these but want almost as much as I can get the 906 for. As I mentioned that is a GOOD deal on a Silver one @ B&H

================ From Pg. 52 of .pdf Manual ============

Use the Up and Down [ ]/[ ]
buttons to select Resolution,
and use the Left and Right
[ ]/[ ] buttons to select:
Through:
Select this to pass video
through the AV receiver at the
same resolution and with no
conversion.
Auto:
Select this to have the AV
receiver automatically convert
video at resolutions not
supported by your TV.
480p:
Select this for 480p output
and video conversion as necessary.
(Not available when
the HDMI Monitor setting is
set to No.)
720p:
Select this for 720p output
and video conversion as necessary.
1080i:
Select this for 1080i output
and video conversion as necessary.
1080p:
Select this for 1080p output
and video conversion as necessary.
(Not available when
the HDMI Monitor setting is
set to No.)


It is always possible that it is a bad HDMI. Have you tried the 360 in another port? Do you have other HDMI equipment that is working for you? When I was saying about resetting the 360, I meant that you need to redo the resolution for the 360 itself. Disconnect the 360 from the receiver and connect to your tv. Go to the last blade and go to your video settings, put it to 480 ro whatever the lowest ratio is. Now connect to your 905, you should get a picture now and then go back to your video settings and change the ratio to 1080i. This should work.
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post #7671 of 8767
9/24/08 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by NickyD View Post

Have you tried the 360 in another port? "Yes" This should work. "Nope, read below"

OK I tried as you suggested, but my 52" Philips 1080P 120Hz will not allow the 480p, goes back to the selection screen and still states 1080p. So I tried 1080i, this time it asked if I want to save, selected Yes, but still it displayed "1080p" at the selection screen. And when I back up one page on Right is says:

1080p
Widescreen
Standard






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post #7672 of 8767
9/24/08 at 9:11pm
OK, not sure but I need to know what others members are Bi-Amping. I'm doing just as the Manual states for Bi-Amping. I did Bi-Amping on my Denon AVR-3000 (18yrs old), at a little over half throttle you feel like you were trying to restart your heart on a movie like "Terminator 2", NOT kidding. Friends, would actually tell me to "Please TURN IT DOWN, I can't breathe". And when I turned it down, your heart felt like it was thumping in your chest.

Please tell me that this Onkyo 905 will do that with my JBL L7's. I am just not getting any bass outta this thing. I turned the Bass to +10.

http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/jbl/f...9_1594crx.aspx

Here's the real kicker, I'm able to reach +18 on the Volume (Max). I just can't believe I'm able to attain the Max volume ? ? ?

These L7 speakers are 6ohms, after the initial setup, first thing I did was turn on Bi-Amping, then I checked the speaker setting. Looks like the 905 detected the ohm rating as it was already on "6 ohm".

Also, I've been using:

"Dolby PLIIx Movie" for watching SD DVD's
"Dolby PLIIx Music" for the Denon CD player and iTouch/Dock

PS: I one thing I truly miss is my independent +/- buttons for Center and Rear.

Suggestions ?






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post #7673 of 8767
9/24/08 at 10:40pm
There are a lot mixed reviews about the NR905....I wondering if it worth $1250 for Manufacturer Refurbished NR905. Or should I go with something else?
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post #7674 of 8767
9/24/08 at 11:33pm
Mixed reviews ?
I only read rave reviews about it (US / Europe).
What are You referring to ?

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Originally Posted by bonsaimaster View Post

There are a lot mixed reviews about the NR905....I wondering if it worth $1250 for Manufacturer Refurbished NR905. Or should I go with something else?
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post #7675 of 8767
9/25/08 at 2:46am
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post #7676 of 8767
9/25/08 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by AlienX69 View Post

OK I tried as you suggested, but my 52" Philips 1080P 120Hz will not allow the 480p, goes back to the selection screen and still states 1080p. So I tried 1080i, this time it asked if I want to save, selected Yes, but still it displayed "1080p" at the selection screen. And when I back up one page on Right is says:

Can you try it on another tv? Did you flip the switch on the back of the cable for the 360? Your tv does not support 480? Other than these suggestions, which are what I would have done I am fresh out of ideas.

As far as you speeker issue, I do not bi-amp so I do not know what you should expect. But as far as it goes with bass, my unit pumps it out really well with a low end Onkyo unit. You are able to get the volume to +18 and still hear?? Is your room really large? I get mine to -15 and it is too loud, but my room is on the average size. I guess it is possible that you have a bad unit. I would contact Onkyo and see what they have to say.
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post #7677 of 8767
9/25/08 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

There are comments out there pointing to identical hardware 905 / 906.
As such only the firmware would be different.

The Reon "implementation", if based on a reference design as usual, is just a matter of firmware...

That is not necessarily true. Different pins on the Silicon Optics chip have different purposes. Its possible they implement functionality in all the pins, or left some functionality out because of bad initial board design. Deadlines like CES and CEDIA make companies do stupid things like that, and if it was really a firmware issue, I just dont believe that Onkyo would not have fixed it in the firmware by now.
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post #7678 of 8767
9/25/08 at 7:05am
OK, let me rephrase the question.

Are there any 905/906 owners that have double binding posts on their Front L/R speakers ?

Please enlighten me to how you wired your fronts to your 905/906. (Note: page #'s are form the owners manual CLICK HERE)

1. "Bridge (BTL)" between the speaker binding posts, then a single +/- wire running to amp and connecting via pg. 28
2. "Bi-Wire", 4 equal runs of +/- wire, two for the left, two for the right, then the 2 left +'s join at FL+ post on the 905, etc.
3. "Bi-Amping" what I currently have configured per pg 27, 51
4. "Bridge (BTL) alternative" - bridge between the speaker binding posts, then a single +/- wire running to amp and connecting to FL +/- and FR +/-

Note: 2 and 4 not in manual

What performed best for you ?

I'm not getting and "UMPH" from my speakers. These JBL L7's with their 12 woofers when connect to the Denon, produced heart pounding umph as mentioned in previous posts. There was NO NEED for a Sub (which BTW i do not have), which is what I was hoping for here.

EDIT: Let me further CLARIFY, most of the "umph" issue is with my iPod Dock and my Sony DVD DVP-NS50P, the Denon CD player and the X360 deliver. The DVD/iDock seem to be at about a -50% dB level of the CD/X360. The DVD is NOT HDMI, only analog, component, and a coaxial output <- which is how it is currently configured.


Well hopefully someone can enlighten me !!
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post #7679 of 8767
9/26/08 at 8:06am
Well after quite a bit of tweaking I have to say that the 905 is indeed VERY IMPRESSIVE !!

Watched "Aliens" from the Quadrilogy set, I've been saving this set for when I acquired a NEW AVR Upgrade. The real killer was Terminator 2, the sound was ASTOUNDING with a lot of "Umph" !!

The issue was settings in the DVD Player, Audio connection type wasn't available on the Main Setting Menu. The unit need to go through the Set-Up proceedure to attain "Digital Coaxial" conn.

EDIT: I'm still Bi-Amped per #3 above
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post #7680 of 8767
9/26/08 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by AlienX69 View Post

Well after quite a bit of tweaking I have to say that the 905 is indeed VERY IMPRESSIVE !!

Watched "Aliens" from the Quadrilogy set, I've been saving this set for when I acquired a NEW AVR Upgrade. The real killer was Terminator 2, the sound was ASTOUNDING with a lot of "Umph" !!

The issue was settings in the DVD Player, Audio connection type wasn't available on the Main Setting Menu. The unit need to go through the Set-Up proceedure to attain "Digital Coaxial" conn.

EDIT: I'm still Bi-Amped per #3 above

Have you gotten the 360 issue resolved yet?
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