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post #2581 of 2621
Control of Z11 with Android App?

https://market.android.com/details?i...v.avcontroller

Seems to be missing from the list of supported devices. Has anyone tried this app?
post #2582 of 2621
Can someone explain the optimum subwoofer set up with this amp.

The sub level on the amp is sitting at 0db and I have run the test tones and adjusted the volume on the sub to get all channels sitting at, or very near to 75 db's. When listening to music the sub is beautifully integrated.

However, the amp also has an LFE level which again is sitting at 0db. Does the LFE setting have to also be calibrated to 75db and if so how do you go about that? What test tone is needed to do that?

Thanks in advance

Stu
post #2583 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary P. Gibbs View Post

Control of Z11 with Android App?

https://market.android.com/details?i...v.avcontroller

Seems to be missing from the list of supported devices. Has anyone tried this app?

No i havent, but if it based on the iOS version the z11 is not supported. I started looking at building an app based on the z11 receiver manager, but it started getting hard. Objective C does not operate like conventional C
post #2584 of 2621
I've been using the android app for a couple of months. It works fine. I does not mimic the remote though, certain soundfields like thx and such are not there.
post #2585 of 2621
When a BD has DOLBY TRUHD
IF I select Neural THX 7.1 does the Z11 use the DOLBY TRUHD track off the BD
or does it use the DD track?

I can matrix a master DTS 5.1 trackinto a 7.1 no problem. & the MSTR DTS shows

But with the DD TRUHD the HD disappears with the Neural THX 7.1
selection. DD TRUHD EX is the highest setting that still shows the DD TRUHD
post #2586 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikl1984 View Post

Finally found. It was rather hard.
Everybody may download
Enjoy

Thanks for sharing this. I've had my Z11 for 3 and a half years and never even knew this existed.

Can this be used to update firmware? I've never updated the firmware and I'm not even sure what version I'm running.

Thanks!
post #2587 of 2621
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Originally Posted by caiazpa View Post

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Can this be used to update firmware? I've never updated the firmware and I'm not even sure what version I'm running.

No, Receiver Manager is not used for updating firmware. If you go to the support section of Yamaha's web site, you can find the latest firmware for the Z11. There's also a document describing how to do the update (or check which version you have).

The latest version, N0145, fixed the problem with passing full-range video over HDMI (previously the Z11 only passed levels 16-235). A few new features were also added over the years (not sure what, but check the docs in the firmware download).

I think the Z11 keeps its settings when you update firmware, but you might want to back them up anyway (you can do that with Receiver Manager).
post #2588 of 2621
How do you check for the firmware version the Z11 currently has??
post #2589 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

How do you check for the firmware version the Z11 currently has??

From the update notice (which you can download from Yamaha's web site):
How to check your firmware version:
Press and hold the [FUNCTION] knob on the front panel and keep it pressed while you press the [STANDBY/ON] button. Once the front panel displays "Advance Setup", release the [FUNCTION] knob. Then, press and hold the [SPEAKER A] button for about 3 seconds until front panel display shows the firmware version.
post #2590 of 2621
The app does not work on my dsp-z11 as stated in the specs.
post #2591 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

When a BD has DOLBY TRUHD
IF I select Neural THX 7.1 does the Z11 use the DOLBY TRUHD track off the BD
or does it use the DD track?

I can matrix a master DTS 5.1 trackinto a 7.1 no problem. & the MSTR DTS shows

But with the DD TRUHD the HD disappears with the Neural THX 7.1
selection. DD TRUHD EX is the highest setting that still shows the DD TRUHD

From Yamaha Z-11 homepage:
Neural-THX Surround has been chosen as the official surround sound broadcast format for XM Satellite Radio's XM HD Surround, as well as other leading FM/HD radio stations worldwide.


http://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/aud..._c/?mode=model

Seems like neural thx is for 2-channel neural coded sources, not for BD.
post #2592 of 2621
kriktsemaj99 & bnimks,

Thank you both for the excellent replies & info
post #2593 of 2621
Does anyone know if the RX-Z11 can upmix RCA (composite) video sources to component or HDMI?

I have some old devices I'd like too hook up to my TV but it's a Mitsu DLP without composite inputs, only HDMI and component.
post #2594 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

Does anyone know if the RX-Z11 can upmix RCA (composite) video sources to component or HDMI?

I have some old devices I'd like too hook up to my TV but it's a Mitsu DLP without composite inputs, only HDMI and component.

Yes it does.
post #2595 of 2621
Anybody try one of the new Yamaha YWA-10 Wireless Network Adapters on their Z11?
post #2596 of 2621
Finally took my Z11 out of the box after almost 3 years and I'm putting it in my dedicated HT to replace the Z9 that will go in my office/man cave.(I know-I'm pretty slow moving) I remember reading that there was no ODS volume readout over HDMI. My unit does have on screen volume over both HDMI outputs 1&2 while testing video yesterday with my Denon Blue Ray player. Did the latest firmware from a few years ago add that?smile.gif
post #2597 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post

... My unit does have on screen volume over both HDMI outputs 1&2 while testing video yesterday with my Denon Blue Ray player. Did the latest firmware from a few years ago add that?smile.gif
How is your Blu-ray player connected to the Z11? The volume overlay can work with HDMI output from the Z11 to the display, but not with an HDMI input to the Z11. I don't think that was ever changed (it was probably a hardware limitation).
post #2598 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

How is your Blu-ray player connected to the Z11? The volume overlay can work with HDMI output from the Z11 to the display, but not with an HDMI input to the Z11. I don't think that was ever changed (it was probably a hardware limitation).

My BR player is hooked up to the Z11's #1 HDMI input and I have the Z11's 1& 2 outputs running to my Mits projector and 61" Samsung DLP. Maybe I misunderstood what everybody's complaint was?
post #2599 of 2621
The limitation concerns the so-called "short messages" (one line volume or other info that's overlayed on top of the video you're watching). Page 108 of the Z11 manual says:

The short message display does not appear in the following cases:
– when the component video signals with 720p, 1080i or 1080p resolutions are input
– when HDMI video signals are input

If you see something different, then I don't know what's happening. You could always get the OSD over HDMI, but it would replace the current video entirely.
post #2600 of 2621
RX-Z11

Can I hook up a set of wireless headphones so that I can listen to my full range of speakers WITHOUT loosing any function?

And at the same time my wife can listen to the same program with the headphones (she is having trouble with her hearing)
post #2601 of 2621
Has anyone connected an SVS AS_EQ1 to a Z11.

I just got one and am trying to do the linking up with the amp set up but I get E05error message when trying to set off the test tones in the amp.

Th procedure is amp mic into svs, cable from mic on SVS to YPAO mic input on the amp and when I try to run I get that error message.

Any help appreciated
post #2602 of 2621
I'm confused here; what are you trying to do? You're plugging the Ypao mic into an equalizer, then the equalizer into the Ypao input on the Z11? Maybe I'm missing something? At any rate, if that's what you're doing, then no, it won't work. You can only plug the Ypao mic in to the Ypao input on the Z11. Hopefully you haven't burned out any circuits in the Z11...
post #2603 of 2621
It won't have burned any circuits of any kind. I am following the instructions of the SVS EQ1 which says it can integrate with av amplifiers and work out the levels of the sat speakers and sub, but when I run the test tones automatically it gives me the error code.

I suppose I could run them manually without the auto set up
post #2604 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by samhain1 View Post

Has anyone connected an SVS AS_EQ1 to a Z11.

I just got one and am trying to do the linking up with the amp set up but I get E05error message when trying to set off the test tones in the amp.

Th procedure is amp mic into svs, cable from mic on SVS to YPAO mic input on the amp and when I try to run I get that error message.

Any help appreciated

In the manual of AS-EQ1:

2. Take the Calibration Microphone from your AVR or Pre/Pro (NOT the Calibration Microphone from the
AS-EQ1) and plug it into the Pass-through Mic In jack located on the front of the AS-EQ1. (see Fig. 12)

3. Locate the calibration microphone “patch cable” that came with your AS-EQ1 (1/8” mono male connectors
on each end). Plug one end into the AS-EQ1’s Passthrough Mic Out jack, and the other end into the
Calibration Microphone input jack on your AVR or Pre/Pro.

4. On the Sub EQ GUI running on your PC, make sure the “On” Radio Button has been checked on the Auto
EQ Assist screen (Note: Navigating away from this screen (forward or back), exiting the Sub EQ GUI, or
powering off the AS-EQ1device will turn external calibration mode to Off).

5. Calibrate the AVR or Pre/Pro as directed by its owner’s manual. Note: Your subwoofer will be “detected”
during the AVR’s calibration process although you will hear no sound from the sub.

6. After completing the calibration of your AVR or Pre/Pro, remove its Calibration Microphone along with
the calibration microphone patch cable from the AS-EQ1 and your AVR or Pre/Pro.

7. At this time, your AVR or Pre/Pro and the AS-EQ1 are integrated properly. Click on the Sub EQ GUI to
continue to the next Task, “Channel Configuration”.


Error05 means background noise is too loud. Fan noise of your laptop? Also when your laptop computer is connected to AS-EQ1 use only battery power. Check also that the cable from AS-EQ1 to Yamaha is OK.
Edited by vesa - 2/11/13 at 7:52am
post #2605 of 2621
Greetings Z11 owners,

I know and understand my Z11 quite well yet I have what could be a noob question yet possibly something specific to Yamaha and/or YPAO that I have yet to validate via reading the manual (or other) etc.
I run large powered Definitive Technology tower speakers for mains and surrounds (4 BP-7000SC's) which have very capable 14 inch powered drivers. I recently incorporated two Rythmik 15 inch subs into my HT. My mains and surrounds are now wired via speaker wire only and the subs off the Z11 left/right sub outs. My questions are in regards to YPAO and/or Yamaha frequency settings for the sub and/or mains.

1. Does Yamaha actually set an "LFE and/or Bass crossover" on the sub or is it something like a constant 120Hz and below coming out of the "Sub outs" etc.?

2. If Yamaha does set a "Sub" crossover, is it dependent on your or "Small" crossover setting - IE, I set all channels to "small" and 60Hz the sub is given everything below 60 etc.?

3. Is Yamaha applying a different crossover set for Bass/Low Freqs from speakers set to Small yet something different (or none at all) for the "LFE" channel - the ".1"? IE - how does the LFE channel apply or differ with question number 2 above? (LFE and Bass/Low freqs are referenced separately in the manual leading me to believe they could be addressed/managed differently etc.)

4. When a speaker is set to "Large" what is the crossover or "low end freq" parameter set by Yamaha for that speaker/channel? I ask because "YPAO" does set my towers to "Large" yet also displays them as set to 40Hz? IE - is YPAO actually "setting" a 40Hz crossover with a "Large" setting or does Yamaha cap the low end at 40Hz regardless of speaker performance etc.?

Just trying to better understand the specifics so I can better understand my integration - and Z11. :-)

Thanks!
post #2606 of 2621
I'll take a stab...

1) There's no LPF for LFE, so everything in the LFE track is sent to the sub. This is fine, because the LFE track only contains content up to 120Hz.

2) Yes, the crossover for the bass redirected to the sub for a speaker set as Small is just the same crossover value you set for that speaker. (However, I remember one review that claimed the crossover for the front speakers was also used as the sub crossover for all small speakers, so you could lose some redirected bass if you set different crossovers for different speakers. I don't know if this is really true).

3) The LFE track is not filtered, all of it goes to the sub.

4) Speakers set as Large get all frequencies and the crossover is ignored, assuming you set Bass Out = SWFR. If you set Bass Out = Front + SWFR (which is not normally recommended), large speakers still get all frequencies, but now the low frequencies from the fronts (below the crossover) are also sent to the sub.

It'll be interesting to hear what you find are the best settings. People usually recommend all speakers as small so the subs handle the low bass, but what's the best crossover? And remember the crossover is not a sudden cutoff, it's a 12dB per octave high-pass filter for speakers set as small and a 24dB per octave low-pass filter for the sub. So if you set a 60Hz crossover your big towers are still being asked to play something much lower than that (just 12dB down at 30Hz, etc.).
post #2607 of 2621
Thanks Krik,

That validates what I was thinking in regards to how the LFE channel is managed and how its independent/different from the "bass/low freqs" directed to the sub from those speakers set to SMALL etc.

My other curiosity is still whether YPAO can actually set a speaker to "large" yet also place a "crossover" setting.? IE - YPAO set my towers to LARGE-40Hz. Obviously it must due to that is what the Z11 is telling me yet once set to LARGE-40Hz does the sub see anything from those speakers for freqs below 40Hz like it would if the speaker/channel was set to SMALL-40Hz etc.?

I have never seen an AVR set a channel to LARGE yet depict a crossover setting at the same time - and I wouldn't think Yamaha would cap the low end to 40Hz unless it "did" redirect those freqs below that cap to the identified sub etc..?

Hmmmm. biggrin.gif

Cheers
post #2608 of 2621
When a speaker is set as Large there's definitely nothing redirected to the sub as long as you have Bass Out = SWFR. But YPAO still measures and sets a suitable crossover frequency for each speaker just in case you decide to switch them later to Small, or set Bass Out = SWFR + Front (in which cases the crossover then comes into play).
post #2609 of 2621
Quote:
Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

When a speaker is set as Large there's definitely nothing redirected to the sub as long as you have Bass Out = SWFR. But YPAO still measures and sets a suitable crossover frequency for each speaker just in case you decide to switch them later to Small, or set Bass Out = SWFR + Front (in which cases the crossover then comes into play).

OK, good stuff - thanks krik.

Interesting that you mention SWFR + front. I did try that and there was a difference in sound. With that selected and YPAO - "Fronts" set LARGE/40Hz, do you think it then just redirects "Front" bass below 40Hz to the subwoofers or "all Front low freqs" to the sub etc.?

- The manual states: With Front & SWFR set: "the SWFR outputs the low freqs of the front channels and other speakers set to SMALL." Given the other definitions I read/interpret this as the SWFR outputs "front" low freqs regardless if set to LARGE which correspondes with your comments above.

Thanks again Krik for putting up with/answering my questions!

biggrin.gif
Cheers
post #2610 of 2621
That table is pretty cryptic, but I always assumed Front & Sub meant the sub gets: Front low frequencies ("low" meaning below the crossover) even when the fronts are set as Large, + LFE + low frequencies (below the crossover) of any other speakers set as small.
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