Official Epik Subwoofer Thread - Page 408

Originally Posted by eantala

Sometimes I really hate life. I got Dual Emires coming in , Db Schenker called to say they're delivering tmw, I say ok is evening available this way I dont have to take a day off. They say no I say fine and notify my employer Im taking off, then they call back saying if the snow is bad they wont deliver and try again next week. I got po'd and said let me just pick the thing up. So now I got to drive home tonight in the snow, swap out my sedan for my minivan and head over to Newark,NJ by 7pm before they close. There's a chance I might not make it by then due to the snow.

Man the bass on these 2 empires better be worth it !!

Originally Posted by eantala

Sometimes I really hate life. I got Dual Emires coming in , Db Schenker called to say they're delivering tmw, I say ok is evening available this way I dont have to take a day off. They say no I say fine and notify my employer Im taking off, then they call back saying if the snow is bad they wont deliver and try again next week. I got po'd and said let me just pick the thing up. So now I got to drive home tonight in the snow, swap out my sedan for my minivan and head over to Newark,NJ by 7pm before they close. There's a chance I might not make it by then due to the snow.

Man the bass on these 2 empires better be worth it !!

Originally Posted by eantala

Sometimes I really hate life. I got Dual Emires coming in , Db Schenker called to say they're delivering tmw, I say ok is evening available this way I dont have to take a day off. They say no I say fine and notify my employer Im taking off, then they call back saying if the snow is bad they wont deliver and try again next week. I got po'd and said let me just pick the thing up. So now I got to drive home tonight in the snow, swap out my sedan for my minivan and head over to Newark,NJ by 7pm before they close. There's a chance I might not make it by then due to the snow.

Man the bass on these 2 empires better be worth it !!

Originally Posted by eantala

Sometimes I really hate life. I got Dual Emires coming in , Db Schenker called to say they're delivering tmw, I say ok is evening available this way I dont have to take a day off. They say no I say fine and notify my employer Im taking off, then they call back saying if the snow is bad they wont deliver and try again next week. I got po'd and said let me just pick the thing up. So now I got to drive home tonight in the snow, swap out my sedan for my minivan and head over to Newark,NJ by 7pm before they close. There's a chance I might not make it by then due to the snow.

Man the bass on these 2 empires better be worth it !!

Originally Posted by dbfann

My Empire was sent out on Tuesday and I picked it up today, It was heavy but I was able to lift it off my tailgate onto the ground just fine by myself.

I have had a bit of a time setting it up, (Still not done) If I use the LFE rca it sounds boomy not tight at all my avr is set at 80hz and dont like it.

If I use the crossover rca it sounds way better but the output is lower and I have to turn the gain higher used this way sounds real good but like I said its not all tuned in yet and still dinkin with placement.

Originally Posted by dbfann

My Empire was sent out on Tuesday and I picked it up today, It was heavy but I was able to lift it off my tailgate onto the ground just fine by myself.

I have had a bit of a time setting it up, (Still not done) If I use the LFE rca it sounds boomy not tight at all my avr is set at 80hz and dont like it.

If I use the crossover rca it sounds way better but the output is lower and I have to turn the gain higher used this way sounds real good but like I said its not all tuned in yet and still dinkin with placement.

Originally Posted by cyberbri

The LFE input plays the full signal it's receiving. The crossover input filters out bass based on where your dial is set. That's why the volume is lower. Real LFE on a 5.1 soundtrack goes up to 120Hz, so you lose a lot of bass if you filter bass at the sub.

If it sounds boomy, you need to move the sub and/or your listening position. Make sure your seat is away from the wall, and move the sub out of the corner 2-3 feet or about 1/3 of the wall's length for starters. The boominess comes from the room acoustics.

Originally Posted by neumei626

If he had the crossover on the sub all the way up to 150 it shouldn't matter which input he uses though right?

Originally Posted by cyberbri

No, not if it was all the way to 150Hz. But it definitely sounded like it was much lower than that, from his description.

Originally Posted by eantala

Sometimes I really hate life. I got Dual Emires coming in , Db Schenker called to say they're delivering tmw, I say ok is evening available this way I dont have to take a day off. They say no I say fine and notify my employer Im taking off, then they call back saying if the snow is bad they wont deliver and try again next week. I got po'd and said let me just pick the thing up. So now I got to drive home tonight in the snow, swap out my sedan for my minivan and head over to Newark,NJ by 7pm before they close. There's a chance I might not make it by then due to the snow.

Man the bass on these 2 empires better be worth it !!

Originally Posted by neumei626

I just pulled the empire way out from all the walls and it actually sounded a lot better as far as boominess goes. I think with the sub having drivers on both sides, most times the person, including myself, will actually have one of the drivers facing the wall. With a single driver sub, people barely ever do this. Even when corner loaded, the driver is never actually facing the wall with a sub like the PB13 for example. That could be why some people are complaining of boominess.

Even when the sub is just along the midpoint of a wall, with the drivers facing to the sides, the wall is still in close proximity with both drivers, also possibly creating boominess. When I get my other empire tomorrow, I will set them both up in the center of the room, far away from all walls to see how the SQ is. My guess is it will be alot better than being near the walls.

Originally Posted by buffalojoed

Dumb question. Our really nice sub reference list contains 2 Epik's that I've been looking for, especially the Valor. When I check their site, all I see is models newer and most out of stock with no orders being taken or labeled as discontinued. Where can I find ratings / reviews of current designs? Are they even available? I'd love to find a used Valor or Castle but that's tough to do. Is there a Valor replacment that I can get for $600 shipped? If not, what do you guys suggest? Not in a real big rush, but their site having only the top ot the line shown as available concerns me. thanks. Joe

Originally Posted by bukiwhitey

I spoke with Chad on Monday, nice guy, anyway decided to order 4 empires. They were delivered yesterday. I have been running 2-SVS pb plus 2's. I set 2 empires on the front wall at 1/4 distance from the sidewalls, and 2 in the rear same distance. I dialed each sub to 75 spl individually, then turned on all 4. I then ran audyssey eq. My room is 23ft x 17 ft with a 10 ft ceiling.

This is the best bass I have ever had in my house.

The dual SVS's are phenomenal, however the sound quality difference, and the tactile difference with having 4 subs in room is just stupid.

Headroom in spades. As an example. Scenes I used to watch with dialog at 70, would have peaks around 108 in my room. Now, same scenes, dialog at 65, peaks at 111. And the crazy thing is, it doesn't sound as loud. You feel it more. It is just effortless.

Same thing with music. The headroom, and dynamics of my enitire room have changed.

I have been interested in upgrading my room for quite a while. I am considering some very different set-ups, i.e. Danley, Seaton, or JTR. On a whim I decided to try 4 empires. All I can say is at this moment, I have no desire to change my sub's. This set-up, in my room, gives me clean effortless lfe.


David

Originally Posted by dondino

A 2nd Empire will certainly make a difference. I have never gotten any boominess at all. I'm finding the best placement for me (and this is generally the case for most dual sub set ups) is in front and back of the listening positions, centered on the walls. 12 and 6 oclock with the listening position in the center facing 12 oclock. About a foot from the wall. After alot of trial and error with placement and EQ, I'm getting very tight deep bass. The U571 scene is incredible.

I have to say the empire was very different for me. With my 12 years used to my old velodyne, I realize it had way exaggerated sound at around 40hz, which I thought sounded great. It was very plug and play. The Empires have great output at all sub frequencies, just a better sounding sub. Admittedly, my house curve/EQ has the low end slightly bumped but that's a preference call. I think I might level this out slowly over time.

This weekend, I'll try room corner stacked.

Originally Posted by buffalojoed

I'd love to find a used Valor or Castle but that's tough to do. Joe

Originally Posted by deepstang

Awesome feedback! I had a Velodyne and went Epik, and I too got used to that peak in the 40Hz area!

BTW, as the subs (and your ears/mind) "break in" a little more, you will notice that you will hear it a little more as well .

What sub EQ did you use?

I am still having a little trouble dialing in my Epik Sentinels.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post18209180

Originally Posted by buffalojoed

Dumb question. Our really nice sub reference list contains 2 Epik's that I've been looking for, especially the Valor. When I check their site, all I see is models newer and most out of stock with no orders being taken or labeled as discontinued. Where can I find ratings / reviews of current designs? Are they even available? I'd love to find a used Valor or Castle but that's tough to do. Is there a Valor replacment that I can get for $600 shipped? If not, what do you guys suggest? Not in a real big rush, but their site having only the top ot the line shown as available concerns me. thanks. Joe

Originally Posted by dondino

I'm using the BFD1124 which is great. If you go the bfd route, I highly recommend getting midi cables so you don't have to dial in all the settings manually.

I just noticed your other thread. Did you get an PEQ for your subs yet? If not, you can get the 1124 for $85 shipped from B&H or do what I did, print out the B&H ad and take it to Guitarcenter for a price match.

Originally Posted by Mister House

It shouldn't be too hard if you have baseboards. If you do you can always pull them off and there is usually a gap between the Drywall and the floor where you can stash a cord or more. It will take some careful planning. All in all if you are in a room that is drywalled or paneled without baseboards or door trim of some sort you are going to have to do some panel removing and/or drywall patching and floating. Without doubt this is a pain in the @$$ but just for anything else nice there has to be some sacrifices made in some way or another. Most wives are not opposed to a fresh paint job in a room.

Cheaper options are area rugs that can sit on top of wires. Slightly tacky but always an option.

Running under furniture of course.

On a side note there is wireless options out there....I don't many raving reviews about them but I guess they still serve a purpose.

Just my thoughts.

Originally Posted by deepstang

I did, thanks! Yes, I have taken advantage of the MIDI port and REW with my DSP1124p.

Here is a link summarizing some of my concluding points:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post18097407

Originally Posted by dondino

Deep, which Velo did you have and what were the rough specs?

Originally Posted by deepstang

Velodyne DLS-3750. Roughly: 175 watt amp, 10" driver, slot ported sub that was really a great performer for its size and specs.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post17692081