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post #12901 of 19472
4/24/10 at 9:30pm
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Maybe too much BASS haha.


No. Such. Thing.

And why didn't you order MINE? huh huh huh???
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post #12902 of 19472
4/25/10 at 10:51am
I've been running an Epik Valor since Nov 2008 and have been really pleased with the perfomance.

I have been experimenting in my home rig - a hybrid setup for both HT and Music.

For awhile now, I've been doing mostly music listening with a Music Fidelity A5 Int Amp with HT bypass. So, I've got the Valor hooked up via preouts on the A5 using some AQ Black Thunder cables to the line level inputs on the Valor.

Today, I wanted to watch some movies so I disconnected the line level cables and hooked up my AQ Sub-x cable to my AVR sub out to the LFE input on the Valor.

I turned on the sub and got a LOUD Buzzing!

WTF?

So I checked the connections - verified I'm going from sub out to LFE input. Got the loud buzzing.

I thought maybe I have some weird new ground loop problem - so I disconnected the LFE cable from the AVR so it was just connected at the sub end - all other equipment off. Turned on the sub - BUZZZZZZZ.

I hooked up the line level inputs and everything sounds fine - CDs, LPs, SACD - works great, sub operates - get good sound.

So, its only when there is a cable connected to the LFE input.

I thought maybe I have a shorted LFE jack on the sub.

So, I pulled out my multimeter and with power disconnected from the sub, I hooked up an RCA cable to the LFE jack and measured the ohms across the far end of the cable expecting a "0" reading for a short.

Nope - it read 60.1k-ohms.

I moved the cable to the Line Level inputs and again measured the impedance at the far end of the cable and got 55.4k-ohms for both the Left and Right Line Level inputs.

Any thoughts?
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post #12903 of 19472
4/25/10 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by Erik Tracy View Post

I've been running an Epik Valor since Nov 2008 and have been really pleased with the perfomance.

I have been experimenting in my home rig - a hybrid setup for both HT and Music.

For awhile now, I've been doing mostly music listening with a Music Fidelity A5 Int Amp with HT bypass. So, I've got the Valor hooked up via preouts on the A5 using some AQ Black Thunder cables to the line level inputs on the Valor.

Today, I wanted to watch some movies so I disconnected the line level cables and hooked up my AQ Sub-x cable to my AVR sub out to the LFE input on the Valor.

I turned on the sub and got a LOUD Buzzing!

WTF?

So I checked the connections - verified I'm going from sub out to LFE input. Got the loud buzzing.

I thought maybe I have some weird new ground loop problem - so I disconnected the LFE cable from the AVR so it was just connected at the sub end - all other equipment off. Turned on the sub - BUZZZZZZZ.

I hooked up the line level inputs and everything sounds fine - CDs, LPs, SACD - works great, sub operates - get good sound.

So, its only when there is a cable connected to the LFE input.

I thought maybe I have a shorted LFE jack on the sub.

So, I pulled out my multimeter and with power disconnected from the sub, I hooked up an RCA cable to the LFE jack and measured the ohms across the far end of the cable expecting a "0" reading for a short.

Nope - it read 60.1k-ohms.

I moved the cable to the Line Level inputs and again measured the impedance at the far end of the cable and got 55.4k-ohms for both the Left and Right Line Level inputs.

Any thoughts?

So, I thought maybe I had a bad sub cable, so I got my box of goodies out and hooked up a plain old fashioned RCA cable and hooked up one end to the sub and measured the impedance at the other end.

And I got an "open" reading on the multimeter...ie no circuit reading and not a short.

WTF?

I moved the cable connections to the Line Level jack and got a reading of 55.4 k-ohms on both the left and right line level jacks.

Move it back to the LFE jack and nothing - open circuit.

So I started to twist and wiggle the RCA end at the LFE jack and watched the multimeter and it went all over the place but if I hold the cable at a certain angle at the sub jack, then the multimeter 'settles' to 60.1 K-ohms.

I tried a different cable - same thing.

I think I have a bad LFE jack on the sub - cold solder joint, solder joint that has cracked and is intermittent?
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post #12904 of 19472
4/25/10 at 7:46pm
i own an empire. but for some reason i keep wanting one of these synergy 12 with 650 watts. i saw them at bb u could hear the thing all over the store.it had a bold sound. they discontinued them but everyone is fighting over them on ebay. i was just wondering is this thing in a leauge with empire?
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post #12905 of 19472
4/26/10 at 4:09am
I know what you mean about the klipsch sub-12. I actually brought one home when I had the Valor. The klipsch hung pretty good with the Valor in mid-bass ouput, but when pushed hard the klipsch would get boomy and get port noise. IMO the klipsch is very underated 2 of them would be awesome.
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post #12906 of 19472
4/26/10 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by Erik Tracy View Post

So, I thought maybe I had a bad sub cable, so I got my box of goodies out and hooked up a plain old fashioned RCA cable and hooked up one end to the sub and measured the impedance at the other end.

And I got an "open" reading on the multimeter...ie no circuit reading and not a short.

WTF?

I moved the cable connections to the Line Level jack and got a reading of 55.4 k-ohms on both the left and right line level jacks.

Move it back to the LFE jack and nothing - open circuit.

So I started to twist and wiggle the RCA end at the LFE jack and watched the multimeter and it went all over the place but if I hold the cable at a certain angle at the sub jack, then the multimeter 'settles' to 60.1 K-ohms.

I tried a different cable - same thing.

I think I have a bad LFE jack on the sub - cold solder joint, solder joint that has cracked and is intermittent?

Call Chad at Epik, he should get you squared away. Much better idea than posting here.

Cheers,
Chad (not from Epik)
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post #12907 of 19472
4/26/10 at 12:11pm
my empire plays the best when speakers are set to small. i have large speakers in the rear with a upa 2 on them with bookshelves in the front .setting speakers to small u cant tell ive got an amp on them.set them to large it kills the sub. what can i do so both win?
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post #12908 of 19472
4/26/10 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by michwill36 View Post

my empire plays the best when speakers are set to small. i have large speakers in the rear with a upa 2 on them with bookshelves in the front .setting speakers to small u cant tell ive got an amp on them.set them to large it kills the sub. what can i do so both win?

Do you leave the sub on "auto"? It seems like you are shutting off the sub. When I turn my sub off, I put my speakers to "Large" then "Small" with the sub on. It's hard to have both.
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post #12909 of 19472
4/26/10 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

Call Chad at Epik, he should get you squared away. Much better idea than posting here.

Cheers,
Chad (not from Epik)


Yup - I contacted Chad and we thought that I could trouble shoot for anything obvious.

I tried taking all of the perimeter screws around the amp off but the amp doesn't want to separate from the cabinet enclosure.

Has anyone here with an Epik sub removed the amp from the back?

Is there any adhesive used to glue the amp to the cabinet?

I was thinking of just using a flat screw driver to pry off the amp.
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post #12910 of 19472
4/26/10 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by michwill36 View Post

my empire plays the best when speakers are set to small. i have large speakers in the rear with a upa 2 on them with bookshelves in the front .setting speakers to small u cant tell ive got an amp on them.set them to large it kills the sub. what can i do so both win?

"setting speakers to small u cant tell ive got an amp on them."

What does that mean?

Setting speakers to "Small", (invoking the crossovers), increases amplifier headroom. The amps no longer need to amplify the deepest bass, which is the most power hungry portion of the audio spectrum. This frees up watts which can then be used to drive the speakers to louder and cleaner levels. It also re-directs the bass to the speaker most capable of reproducing it: the subwoofer.

If you set the speakers to "Large", the only thing sent to the subwoofer is the LFE channel. For anything without an LFE channel, (CD's, "stereo" TV broadcasts, etc.), nothing is sent to the subwoofer.

Just set your speakers to "Small" and be done with it. Or, use the "Double Bass" feature if your receiver has one.

Craig
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post #12911 of 19472
4/26/10 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by michwill36 View Post

my empire plays the best when speakers are set to small. i have large speakers in the rear with a upa 2 on them with bookshelves in the front .setting speakers to small u cant tell ive got an amp on them.set them to large it kills the sub. what can i do so both win?


Do you mean that if you set the front mains to "small," the rear speakers can only be "small" and not "large"?

You're still getting the benefit of the amp on the rears when they are set to small. You can try lowering the crossover on the rears (assuming you have independent crossovers) to maybe 40~50~60Hz.

But why do you have big speakers in the rear and small in the front? Are the fronts a better quality/brand than the rears?
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post #12912 of 19472
4/26/10 at 3:09pm
its the way my room is . i have bookshelves on both sidesof my tv then a doorto the backyard . i could have them in the front but they would be 20 to 25 ft apart. i have jamo x510 on top of the bookshelves .yes if i set fronts to small rears have to be that way also.
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post #12913 of 19472
4/26/10 at 3:11pm
how do you lower the crossover i have infinity sm125 studio monitors.
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post #12914 of 19472
4/26/10 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by michwill36 View Post

how do you lower the crossover i have infinity sm125 studio monitors.

The crossovers are a part of the Bass Management processing. At the same place you change the speakers from Large to Small, you should be able to set the crossover points. What receiver do you have?

Craig
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post #12915 of 19472
4/26/10 at 4:15pm
Which Epik model is equivalent to JL F112 in terms of performnace ? I am thinking of adding a second sub to compliment the F112 I own now but wife rejected the fund for a second F112 so I am looking fro a close alternative. I have been on a spending spree for the last few months. I am open to other subs from other manufacture as well. The smaller the sub, the better, but I can go for a bit bigger box if need be.
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post #12916 of 19472
4/26/10 at 4:28pm
i have an integra 6.3 crossover points are 80/100/120khz. i have played with all that hundreds of times not alot of difference between the three.
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post #12917 of 19472
4/26/10 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by Alex solomon View Post

Which Epik model is equivalent to JL F112 in terms of performnace ? I am thinking of adding a second sub to compliment the F112 I own now but wife rejected the fund for a second F112 so I am looking fro a close alternative. I have been on a spending spree for the last few months. I am open to other subs from other manufacture as well. The smaller the sub, the better, but I can go for a bit bigger box if need be.

Doesn't matter too much which Epik might be close to the F112, as only the Empire is available. At least it will be available anywhere from early to mid May. I suppose if you wanted to go used though some of the earlier models would bear looking into.
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post #12918 of 19472
4/26/10 at 8:18pm
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Doesn't matter too much which Epik might be close to the F112, as only the Empire is available. At least it will be available anywhere from early to mid May. I suppose if you wanted to go used though some of the earlier models would bear looking into.

I haven't been to this thread for a long time. Why only the Empire ? New models coming ?? I am in no rush to add the second sub now. I could wait.
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post #12919 of 19472
4/27/10 at 6:39am
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I haven't been to this thread for a long time. Why only the Empire ? New models coming ?? I am in no rush to add the second sub now. I could wait.

He did not say when any new models are coming out. The Empire is the only sub he carries now. It would be nice to have the 18" drivers again.
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post #12920 of 19472
4/27/10 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

He did not say when any new models are coming out. The Empire is the only sub he carries now. It would be nice to have the 18" drivers again.

Thanks. I will read up the SVS and eD threads.
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post #12921 of 19472
4/28/10 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Alex solomon View Post

Thanks. I will read up the SVS and eD threads.

Another one bites the dust. BUS101 stuff Chad...
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post #12922 of 19472
4/28/10 at 11:21am
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Another one bites the dust. BUS101 stuff Chad...

Care to explain exactly what you are referring to here ?
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post #12923 of 19472
4/28/10 at 12:19pm
Nothing personal directed to Alex, but I'll explain as I interprit it. Some Epik customers as well as future sub buyers a puzzled as to why Epik would discontinue it's successful, overbuilt, different 18" sub line. Some think is shows instability. So when Alex (a potential Epik customer) goes else where for a sub, it's "proof" that offering a "one type/ model of sub can satisfy all" solution does not really boosts Epik's market power.
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post #12924 of 19472
4/28/10 at 12:34pm
Thanks, TnTBigman. I see what's going on with Epik now.
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post #12925 of 19472
4/28/10 at 12:37pm
I have stayed out of this discussion, but one size does NOT fit all people's needs, regardless of the quality of the performance. Chad had a great selection last year with the 12" and 18" choices ... I purchased an 18" Dragon in June. I was hoping to add another to my room, but found that EVERYTHING current had been discontinued and replaced with a single choice (the Empire). As wonderful as it may be, it should have been an ADDITION to the previous models and not a replacement for all of them.

I have since added a like-new Phoenix and am quite happy with the mix, even though visually they don't quite match in size.

Epik is all Chad's to do with as he will, it just seems to MANY of us previous customers that he made a poor business choice by killing everybody's upgrade path with previous models.

Bill C
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post #12926 of 19472
4/28/10 at 12:58pm
I think the problem here is maybe be that Epik took on a lot more than they can handle by having all the different subwoofer choices last year.
From what I know about Chad is that every single subwoofer he builds has to be of top notch quality or it won't leave his facility. For a small company with little to no overhead, this is no easy task when demand is very high.
I think it just boils down to the inability to be able to keep up with the demand for all the different subwoofer choices they had last year.
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post #12927 of 19472
4/28/10 at 1:24pm
Bill C,

I know that sucks but lets face it. Any company, whether it be a small internet direct company or a company the size of General Motors can be here today and gone tomorrow. There are no guarantees.

If someone insist on a perfect match, about all they can do is sell the one they have(or tradein if offered) and buy two of something else.
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post #12928 of 19472
4/28/10 at 1:40pm
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Bill C,

I know that sucks but lets face it. Any company, whether it be a small internet direct company or a company the size of General Motors can be here today and gone tomorrow. There are no guarantees.

If someone insist on a perfect match, about all they can do is sell the one they have(or tradein if offered) and buy two of something else.

Amen. Geez how much time do people need to add a second sub. However, great advice. Sell what you have and buy Dondino's dual Empires that he has for sale. I think the real issue is that we tend to wait for the price to drop on stuff. It goes on sale and we wait for even bigger discounts. The stuff is discontinued and we kick ourselves. Just like I am doing right now waiting for a pair of Boston Acoustics E70 speakers. Greedy, silly me
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post #12929 of 19472
4/28/10 at 1:52pm
Nope, no guarantees and everybody has the freedom of choice to look elsewhere (Just like Alex).

I stayed within the Epik family because I really like the quality and performance for the physical size ... nobody else comes close for the money.

I briefly considered an 18" eD, but the look and size weren't what I was looking for, and there are too many reported problems with the amp they use. Anybody's products that supposedly fail after using Audyssey are far too sensitive for my taste. I have never heard of such a problem with the Epik line ... NEVER!

I am sure that Chad is delighted selling as many (more, actually) Empires than he can build and I wish him well. He just isn't going to sell ME any Empires.

Bill C
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post #12930 of 19472
4/28/10 at 2:25pm
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...I am sure that Chad is delighted selling as many (more, actually) Empires than he can build and I wish him well. He just isn't going to sell ME any Empires.

Amen brother! I just can't fathom the logic of this entire move being an efficiency thing. I mean face it, once the the product has been developed, the build kit is determined, and the components are available, building speaker boxes, mounting the components, and finishing/packing isn't exactly brain surgery. Whatever employee is building an Empire can absolutely handle building any other former model.
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