Official Epik Subwoofer Thread - Page 445

I thought the CS subs were all going to employ a natural 12db/octave rolloff without any low end EQing. I could certainly be wrong on that though.

My concern with those subs are the cabinets. They put pics of them up and they aren't exactly built like tanks

I saw the pics as well.

I think the idea with the dual versions (10" and 18") is that you don't need a bunch of cross bracing since the dual drivers cancel vibrations. The cab for the single 18" shows cross bracing, though nothing extensive.

They are at least made of baltic birch ply, which is a bit more rigid than MDF.

Only if the two drivers are linked and I don't see any mention of that unless dual opposed by definition means linked. Craig is a great promoter so if it was a feature he would have mentioned it. I could be wrong though.

I got my Anti Mode 8033 today and ran the calibration. Made a noticeable difference. Great product.

Blu, was the antimode you got, the version 8033c ? I'm guessing this is the most recent model of antimode. I've read that the 8033 has had a few changes over the years.

john, can you please expand on "noticeable difference" after calibrating? I am interested in the antimode as well. Thanks.

More info please........

Is there a link to that or is that from the previously mentioned thread? If anything from that thread, the submersive stays relatively flat below 20hz while the Empires roll off sharply.

Were you using anything before the Anti Mode? Like Audessey or anything?

The bass is much tighter in music, and even though I have no way to measure it, I put in Minority Report BR and I noticed the subs are diggin much deeper. When some of the guys on the forum here say that these Empires don't go deep, I don't get it these things are crazy deep. The setup on the Antimode is very simple, I am happy with it. I will put it through a few more movies. Thats all I had time for trying to watch the Black Hawks game.

It does not have a C on it. But I found on the Manual Version C.


No, just my ears. Not a good way.

I was thinking the same thing

I don't think you read my post very carefully. I said that the Empire rolls off faster than the SubMersive. Mark intentionally programmed the DSP to have a gradual roll-off. With EQ, you could do something similar for the Empire.

But here you go. Here is one set of max SPL graphs depicting that dual Empires do in fact have more usable output than a single SubMersive at all frequencies that were tested.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post18302861

Just because the SubMersive has a shallow roll-off at lower SPLs doesn't necessarily mean it can keep it up as SPLs are increased. That is all that I am stating. Its all about EQ in the amp.

This is the exact reason why I purchased the Empires instead of SubMersives. I don't need lower extension. I wanted more mid-bass. My Ultras give me all the extension I want due to them being in the 15Hz tune (and room gain).

Empire vs Legend???

I'm new to Epik and I am really unsure about their products. I will be using these subs in my HT for 90% movies and tv. Rarely for music. My room is 12 x 20 x 8.

While price certainly plays a factor in my decision, I want to be clear that I am not afraid to spend the extra money if it means I get a far superior Theater experience. I would probably go dual too as I am running a Denon AVR-4810ci receiver.

In other words... I would rather get the best sub now rather than having to upgrade later. Any help is appreciated guys. Point me in the right direction.

thanks!

I would go duals just because I have found it easier to flatten my in-room response with duals. That said, if you have doubts (and/or are low on cash) get one of the biggest/baddest subs, then add another one later if necessary.

We're talking < 2000 cu ft so dual Empires may be overkill, but I definitely suggest dual Legends if you go that route.

An SVS Ultra or dual PB12NSDs are other good choices.

Another good choice is dual drives from HSU.

A single SubMersive is another good choice.

I do suggest duals though. Even in small rooms folks can have huge nulls that can't be EQ'd out like large peaks can.

How loud do you watch movies? What do you have now?

OK... cool. So you think Dual Legends will be better than one Empire?

I do, but other folks have the opinion that you get one big sub, then add another if one isn't enough (or if you need duals to smooth out your in-room response).

You have a small room though. Duals of any smaller Epik, SVS, eD, Hsu, etc would probably work great in that size room.

I have an oddly shaped, > 6000 cu ft basement so my experiences don't really help you.

I do know that a guy purchased a single SVS Ultra the other day and hated it in his very small room. In the corners he had SPLs over 115dB, but at his listening position (which couldn't be moved) he was reading a lot less SPL. In his case, I felt he should have either gone with dual PB12NSDs or purchased another Ultra to smooth out his in-room response.

YMMV.

BTW, the Legends aren't even out yet, so I really don't know how they are going to perform. Based on Epik's track record, I doubt they will be sub-par.

The Conquest sold tonite and went down the road. Will order dual Empires in the morning. Have all the stuff together that I need to do my crossovers on the mains. Another project to work in.

Love the hobby, it's our crack, Bill

Finally got my Empire today and the moment I saw the box I knew I was in for a treat. The box was 1/3 the size of my fridge... forgot it was gonna be huge.

Hooked it up and fired up WOTW, Terminator Salvation, Star Trek and 9. There was gobs and gobs of jaw breaking bass... I'm extremely satisfied with just 1 Empire in my 3000 cu ft room which opens up to a dining area and hall way.

Will probably run Audyssey in the next day or 2. Best part was when my wife came home and saw it... she literally said W T F, you never mentioned it was going to be THAT big??!! LOL Oh well.

Another satisfied customer .

Congrats, and enjoy your sub!

Has anyone gone from dual Sentinel to a dual Empire setup?

I have dual Sentinels and generally I am quite pleased. But alas, this is always room for more power. I should say that my HT is 13x21x7.5 and the back end has a bar opening to a much larger game area. OK, so I am a bass junkie. Currently I have my subs flanking the center channel speaker. This provided the smoothest output and didn't conflict with my main Polk LSi15's as much.

Yet, in the pursuit of perfect thump, my ear (no pun) is always looking for a bit better. That is if the economics of selling the Sentinels justify the performance increase (if any).

Congrates! I bet you never thought you would ever hear your wife say that to you.

Wow, this Legend looks pretty cool. I wonder how a single Legend would work paired up with my Conquest? The Legend could handle the quality midbass that the Conquest does ok with, but a sealed sub does so much better. The Conquest could do the earthquake stuff that smaller subs struggle with. Hmmm ...... this combo could be very complimentary.

I would send an email to Epik. Chad will know for sure. Let us know what he says if you do. I'm definitely interested in knowing.

I am Legend

well, not yet - maybe september

My room is 13x17x9. I was going to order a single Empire, but now would prefer to do two Legends as they would be smaller boxes in the room (albeit two vs one). I would have them both nearfield on opposite sides of my couch (not co-located). Is there any real benefit to going duals for nearfield placement they are not co-located?

Thanks

Headroom and frequency response across all seating locations. Meaning, you should have less nulls and peaks with duals if setup properly.

-Chad

To quote someone else

Using two subwoofers is more about getting linear response at several seats than it is about getting louder output. Of course, that is assuming that you position the two subwoofers at different locations in the room in order to gain the benefits of flatter frequency response at several locations. If you co-locate (ie. stack or put side-by-side) two subwoofers, then you are basically just making a "bigger" subwoofer and upping the output, but not doing anything to flatten the frequency response throughout the room.

If the Legends were available right now, I would have ordered dual Legends but I couldn't wait. My Empire just arrived 2 days ago and I'm loving it so far. Provides DEEP bass and shakes the dishes in our kitchen about 40 ft away.

bout the end there... what kind of sub are you coming from?

The dynasty was the best down low sub I have had, pb13 overall most balanced and jtr captivator best SQ. I am just left doubting that an un-eq'ed small sealed sub gets that low without a very good room gain.