Official Epik Subwoofer Thread - Page 51

can you place a conquest by a tv?

Hey guys,

Sorry about the lack of updates. Orders never fall behind, but getting information posted sometimes does. We are guilty of not getting new pics up yet as well as specs.

We are getting close to the holidays and orders are starting to pour in. Everybody wants their subwoofer before the new year and so the orders are increasing exponentially. Last week alone we went through two entire stacks of Ultra-refined MDF. There's nothing like trying to drive a ten-thousand pound forklift with 5000 pounds of MDF over an icy parking lot... twice...

We haven't updated the current website because a new one will shortly be taking its place. We are spending all of our time behind the scenes with the new site and getting all of the specs integrated onto each product page.

As mentioned above, the good news is that production hasn't slowed down at all. We still only need 3-5 days or less to go from order to shipment. We are keeping up with orders here and that is making customers really happy.

Our big CNC router is partially responsible for this. It is FAST... It has an enormous high-speed spindle cutter and a tool changer with 10 different cutting bits. It can go from cutting roundovers to drilling mounting holes to flush mounting with a spiral cutters in the blink of an eye. It changes the cutting bits automatically too, so cabinet parts can be assembled while the machine does its thing.

E-A-G-L-E-S,

The Valor, Knight and caliber share essentially the same driver and amplifier platform. Their overall output is relatively close, with a slight advantage going to the Knight and Caliber over the Valor. However, the Valor still has a lot of overall output and slam thanks to that very capable and efficient 15 inch driver.

The big difference is the amount of output in the 20 Hz and below region. As you move up from the Valor to the Conquest, you are getting more extreme low frequency output capabilities.

The Knight has about one and a half times the output of a Valor @ 20 Hz. The Caliber has almost as much output as a pair of Valor's @ 20 Hz as well as a noticable advantage over the Knight in the 15 Hz region.

The tradeoff is size. The Caliber is about twice as large as the Valor. That change in cabinet size allows for some pretty big advantages in 20 Hz and lower region. They are all very capable, but the larger cabinets allow the driver to deliver more low end output.

Even so, as several others have mentioned here, the Valor is one heck of a performer.

jam2001,

I'm glad that I picked up the phone! It was good to talk to you, and I think you made a perfect choice for your system. You cabinet already got cut and will be assembled shortly. We can't wait to get it out to you!!

It depends upon the TV. The Conquest has a 3 inch thick stack of magnets almost 9 inches in diameter. Most flat panel TV's won't be affected by it. I ran one relatively close to a CRT projection set without much of a problem. Magnetically shielding the motor on the Conquest would be very expensive.

Chad,

Funny that you wrote that. I was just getting ready to write that I was glad you picked up the phone today.

Good to hear that my sub is already in production! That was one of my concerns before talking to you today. I'll research things for months, but once I make a decision, I'm not very patient

Thanks again!
Jeff

As far as placing the conquest next to a tv, it really depends which way the sub is oriented. I found that in one direction i could have my sub only about 6" from the tv stand and it would be fine, but in the other direction i needed to move the sub several feet or else it would give noticeable effects. Another thing i noticed was that when i first got the sub it seemed like the effects were much more drastic. I believe i have a picture of the conquest sitting next to my tv with the blue screen of my tv( when there is no signal) and the conquest is turning the side of the screen pink. Back then i had to have the sub several feet away, now it seems i can put it closer.. At least thats how it seems anyways, perhaps it has to do with something else that changed that i am not thinking about.
Nevertheless, i still can't put it real close without it effecting the picture. As soon as i move, come january, it won't be an issue, and its really not much of an issue now either, i just have to move it a bit further than i would like.

It was perfect timing because we had just finished painting some cabinets. We had shut off the paint booth vent, and I went into the office for a break. Otherwise I would have missed your call...


This is why I picked up. I am probably ten times worse when it comes to waiting for new gear. Every time somebody orders one of our products I put myself into their shoes. I want stuff yesterday, so I try to get our subwoofers built and out the door as quickly as possible.

Chad, do you think that you will ever offer a Conquest with say a 2000 or 2500 watt amp? I read the description on the conquest on your website and is says that the woofer can handle 3000 watts. If the conquest has gotten such a great review from craigsub with a 1000 watt amp, I can't imagine what say a 2000 or 2500 watt amp would sound like.

[note: the following is based on my limited knowledge of subwoofers and power ratings, don't take it as fact]

i doubt he would, at least not in a large ported box like the conquest is in. The fear he must have is that someone like me will get ahold of it and see just how loud it will go in a scene like pods emerging. Power output is a function of thermal and mechanical limits, the latter which is highly affected by the frequency of the input signal. When you are throwing frequencies in the 10-15 hz range (below turning) at high volumes, the stated power ratings are no longer applicable . I'm not sure if the conquest's amplifier has a high pass filter in it but in order to run 2000-3000 watts in that enclosure he'd have to employ a real steep high pass filter on the conquest below tuning.. Which may result in less headroom overall (but albeit it would go quite a bit louder above tuning).

I'm going to jump in with my guess. Sourcing a 2 or 3 kilowatt plate amp would be very expensive. That's why folks are interested in passive designs, especially if they already have a big pro amp lying around. I imagine if Chad offered the option, it would be classed as a Super Conquest at a much higher price. The other question would be, how many of us really need another 3 - 4.5 db with this monster in most applications.

I like the current website, I hope they don't go crazy with a multi media centric website that takes forever to load and costs them an arm and a leg for some fancy web designer

Does anyone have a Rosenut veneer Epik subwoofer to post a picture of? Is the top of the unit veneered? The picture on the site shows just the sides veneered. After the glowing review on the Castle, I just may have to get one. The Conquest is just too darn big for my room, and being 31" deep, I'm not sure if I could squeeze the Tower in. I remember reading on this forum recently that someone recommended the Tower over the Castle if the room was smaller, to take advantage of the lower tuning, since SPL levels wont come into play much in my 1700 cubic ft room. What would you gents recommend, Tower or Castle? The Castle would allow me a couple different placement options, whereas the Tower would have to be put in one spot only.

Thoughts on dual Castles vs. one Conquest? I'm moving to a projector soon and two subs would provide a nice visual balance in front of my room. Looks like around $2,200 shipped vs. $1,700 shipped.

Chad,

I don't have any value to offer here other than I too am thinking of dual Castles. I will remain on the fence until Epik releases info on their new products.

Larry

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Hello,

Maybe you already know this in yesterdays news on the Epik site. Chad is working on a bunch of new wood veneers. Go for the Castle Craigsub likes his.
Just my two cents.

rmlowz

Just thought i'd chime in again on the conquest (since i havent done this in so long).
I just got done playing a few scenes, primarily the pulse scene. The conquest handles this scene with ease (in my room at least). No port chuffing or any kind of abnormal noises as described in jakemans tests with the ultra, fathom, and velo. I even went right next to the conquest and port noise was virtually inaudible. Also, i was hitting numbers about 115db from the listening position (uncalibrated) which may be closer to 120db given how low the frequencies are in this scene. I figure thats pretty good for a single subwoofer playing a 16-18hz frequencies. My pants were fluttering a bit and something actually fell in the kitchen (not sure what, probably a pan) and the kitchen is on the other side of my apartment (a good 30 feet away or so).

I am interested in Epik as well.....
Does Epik provide European Voltage models ?

How far is the listening position from the sub? Were your mains turned off? And what are the room dimensions?

Hi, anyone know the +/-3dB response of the conquest? Thanks.

the mains were not off.. the listening position is about 2-2.5 meters from the sub but the sub is turned sideways so its not facing the listening position.. The mains won't go more than about 107db and this scene isn't very loud with the mains so they definitely weren't factoring into that number.
The room is small but oddly it isn't very easy to drive. For instance, i have a HTIB sub that when i hooked it up i couldnt hear the bass at all, yet in the bedroom it does pretty good.

The actual room is only about 13.5'x11.5' by 8' tall though with a huge opening.
If you look at the attached image, you see the stairs opposite the front wall where the sub is at.. The wall is slanted with the stairs and effectively makes the room much more open than it looks in the graphic. If i meter my sub near the front door its not difficult to hit 126 decibels.

If i moved the sub to the other side of the room (the top right) then i would probably get more output but it would shake the neighbors walls even more, and it would push my t.v. out further and it wouldn't be a straight angle for viewing. I'll be moving in january though so i can give numbers in a reasonable sized room (about 21x14x8)

My Valor shook a large, heavy, squat, solid glass candle plate with unlit candles off of a shelf and onto my brick hearth tonight (and it shattered into a million pieces) while listening to Justin Timberlake's "Chop Me Up". My wife was not very pleased, but boy, I was

It's getting late and random ideas are flowing through my head for instance:

Let's say you want to start off with a decent sub, but are concerned you may be wanting more later. How about this idea:

(This idea is based on the assumption that Chad will one day sell the subs and amps as compononent pieces).

Start off with an Epik Knight because it's all you can afford at this point. A year or so later upgrade to the better driver, and then later down the road the more powerful amp. Depending on the component price you're slowly but surely building a Castle, which as we all know, received a great rating by Craigsub.


The advantage being you get a great sub right away and can save your money to build a supurb sub down the road.

Just a thought. Comments?

It just occured to me that the port depths may be different, but an easy change out?

i may be wrong but my guess is this isn't possible because the enclosures are probably at least slightly different because of the depth of the driver and the size of the magnet. i'm also not sure if the plate amps are the same size.

Nicktenn,
The best advice to you would be to wait it out, save up the coin and go for the sub you want. One shot one kill, or two if you decide to go duals. I wouldnt buy less sub if I had my mind on something else.

You a Marine too? Just noticed you were in Japan and the whole one shot one kill statement.

BTW that is sort of my life's philosophy. Screw baby steps...do it right the first time that way there are no regrets. As a lot of these sub guys say: Go big or go home!

thats why i went with the conquest. Hey it might have been outside my budget but its certainly cheaper than buying a cheaper sub and upgrading multiple times..