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post #17131 of 20356
After reading from page 800 for the last week. I have went ahead and ordered a Legend yesterday and it will be here tomorrow afternoon sometime according to Fedex tracking. Just got RF-82ii fronts and the 62ii center... just wanted to say thanks for all the valuable information from you guys... ill post some pics later after everything is setup to the way I want it... also have Thor 3D combo bluray on the way!

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post #17132 of 20356
Ordered my second Legend and should be here by next week. The only dual sub configuration I've ever heard is my neighbor's. He has dual Emotiva 12's and they convinced me hands down, that dual subs is the way to go. I'm almost certain that 2 Legends will have a higher output but I'm very curious about a smoother bass response. It will be hard to compare the 2 systems when they are not side by side in the same room but I'll let everyone know the results as soon they are in! Should be fairly interesting.
post #17133 of 20356
Just received my Legend from Fedex. What do I set the Phase switch on 0 or 180? I have pioneer 1021k receiver and am planning on running MCACC to set my system, should I set the crossover all the right which is 150hz and the volume about halfway and then run MCACC? I have Klipsch 82ii fronts and 62ii center.
post #17134 of 20356
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Originally Posted by dzack02 View Post

Just received my Legend from Fedex. What do I set the Phase switch on 0 or 180? I have pioneer 1021k receiver and am planning on running MCACC to set my system, should I set the crossover all the right which is 150hz and the volume about halfway and then run MCACC? I have Klipsch 82ii fronts and 62ii center.

I would start here:

Subwoofer Crawl
Connect to left input on Legend amp to bypass the crossover.
Phase = 0
Gain = 11 O'clock
Run your calibration software
post #17135 of 20356
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post


I would start here:

Subwoofer Crawl
Connect to left input on Legend amp to bypass the crossover.
Phase = 0
Gain = 11 O'clock
Run your calibration software

The sub doesn't seem to be working or maybe barely for listening to a CDs through my ps3.. haven't tried movie yet
post #17136 of 20356
ok so I went and looked at subs today. I looked at the sunfire hrs-12 and the ts-eq12. I also looked at some of the jl stuff. If I buy local I would have to buy two sunfire hrs-12's to get the performance I want. My question is from people that actually own the epik empire or legend, is how do they stack up against these subs???? Loudness & clarity?? Will a single empire hang with two of these sunfires?? Or will two of the legends be louder than the two 12" sunfires??
They would definatly be cheaper!! I would get two empires, but I just dont have the room.
post #17137 of 20356
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Originally Posted by dzack02 View Post

The sub doesn't seem to be working or maybe barely for listening to a CDs through my ps3.. haven't tried movie yet

Try the manual speaker setup in MCACC and force all speakers to be small, setting the global crossover to 80 Hz, with Sub = Yes. You should get lots of bass coming from the sub this way.
post #17138 of 20356
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Originally Posted by djenkins03 View Post

ok so I went and looked at subs today. I looked at the sunfire hrs-12 and the ts-eq12. I also looked at some of the jl stuff. If I buy local I would have to buy two sunfire hrs-12's to get the performance I want. My question is from people that actually own the epik empire or legend, is how do they stack up against these subs???? Loudness & clarity?? Will a single empire hang with two of these sunfires?? Or will two of the legends be louder than the two 12" sunfires??
They would definatly be cheaper!! I would get two empires, but I just dont have the room.

Well, I own an Empire but didn't do side by sides at home with the others, that seemed like waaay too much work. The Empire has very impressive performance, but all I've had otherwise are two ported powered 8" and 10" subs, and even together the other subs don't even approach the Empire.

How "loud" do you want? What max db rating are you looking for?

Why is loud your criteria, you planning on being in a contest for loudness or something?

What size room are you putting your sub(s) in?
post #17139 of 20356
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Originally Posted by dzack02 View Post

Just received my Legend from Fedex. What do I set the Phase switch on 0 or 180? I have pioneer 1021k receiver and am planning on running MCACC to set my system, should I set the crossover all the right which is 150hz and the volume about halfway and then run MCACC? I have Klipsch 82ii fronts and 62ii center.

Go to this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554 and scroll down to the "Subwoofer" section and read.
post #17140 of 20356
My room is small around 2,000 cu ft. As far as loud, Ive never took a db meter to any home speakers for comparison. I just wanted to know how the legend or the empire compare to those sunfire subs. And loudness and clarity are my criteria because I want to not only hear explosions and such but I want to feel them. And I dont mean barely feel the couch vibrate, my towers will do that I mean feel it in your chest bass.

Also if there is any epik owners in northeast arkansas or the surrounding areas, I would love to hear one of these before I order one.
post #17141 of 20356
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post


Go to this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554 and scroll down to the "Subwoofer" section and read.

Thanks man.
post #17142 of 20356
Very close to pulling the trigger on Dual Empires, but I'm not sure they will be sufficient in my room. The room is roughly 24x22 with 18' ceilings, and is open to a large kitchen and a 2 story foyer. So I'm looking at 9500+ cu feet in my main room and it's wide open to the rest of the house. I really would like to keep my budget under 2k if possible and obviously the empires fit in nicely. I'm just concerned the 2 empires will barely make a dent in that space. Quads are pretty much out of the question in terms of space as the wife would never allow. Really wish the Conquest was still available - from what I've read 2 of them would have no problem with my space.

Keep in mind my current sub is a Klipsch RW12 and is almost barely audible in there, heh. Running Def Tech BP30's in the front now, which sound great but would really benefit from some help down low.
post #17143 of 20356
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Very close to pulling the trigger on Dual Empires, but I'm not sure they will be sufficient in my room. The room is roughly 24x22 with 18' ceilings, and is open to a large kitchen and a 2 story foyer. So I'm looking at 9500+ cu feet in my main room and it's wide open to the rest of the house. I really would like to keep my budget under 2k if possible and obviously the empires fit in nicely. I'm just concerned the 2 empires will barely make a dent in that space. Quads are pretty much out of the question in terms of space as the wife would never allow. Really wish the Conquest was still available - from what I've read 2 of them would have no problem with my space.

Keep in mind my current sub is a Klipsch RW12 and is almost barely audible in there, heh. Running Def Tech BP30's in the front now, which sound great but would really benefit from some help down low.

That's a large area. If you can't accommodate Quad Empires, I would look at some bass-reflex options. With your budget, I would start looking at a pair of Hsu VTF-15Hs, JTR Captivator, or a SVS PB 13-Ultra -- to name a few.
post #17144 of 20356
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

That's a large area. If you can't accommodate Quad Empires, I would look at some bass-reflex options. With your budget, I would start looking at a pair of Hsu VTF-15Hs, JTR Captivator, or a SVS PB 13-Ultra -- to name a few.

The Captivator is still in question for me, but would 1 cap really achieve THAT much more output than a pair of Empires? Same goes for a single Ultra. From the 'shootout' that was done, it also seemed the Hsu wasn't far ahead of the empire in terms of raw output. The Hsu is definitely on my list as well though.
post #17145 of 20356
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

The Captivator is still in question for me, but would 1 cap really achieve THAT much more output than a pair of Empires? Same goes for a single Ultra. From the 'shootout' that was done, it also seemed the Hsu wasn't far ahead of the empire in terms of raw output. The Hsu is definitely on my list as well though.

I think he is trying to suggest the Ported(output) route given your budget.
post #17146 of 20356
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

The Captivator is still in question for me, but would 1 cap really achieve THAT much more output than a pair of Empires? Same goes for a single Ultra. From the 'shootout' that was done, it also seemed the Hsu wasn't far ahead of the empire in terms of raw output. The Hsu is definitely on my list as well though.

I'd say give Chad at Epik and the guys at SVS a call, or send them an email and see what they say. Another SVS option might be dual PB12 Pluses, which would probably put you a bit over $2K. I'm not sure what they go for now, maybe $2400 - $2600 (for both) plus shipping? Needless to say dual Ultra 13s will totally blow that $2K budget.

Good luck and have fun with the search!
post #17147 of 20356
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Originally Posted by djenkins03 View Post

My room is small around 2,000 cu ft. As far as loud, Ive never took a db meter to any home speakers for comparison. I just wanted to know how the legend or the empire compare to those sunfire subs. And loudness and clarity are my criteria because I want to not only hear explosions and such but I want to feel them. And I dont mean barely feel the couch vibrate, my towers will do that I mean feel it in your chest bass.

Also if there is any epik owners in northeast arkansas or the surrounding areas, I would love to hear one of these before I order one.

My single Empire in a room larger than yours by a good bit definitely gives it that feel it in your chest bass. You've got dual 15" drivers remember in a single Empire...they can move a bit of air. One of my friends had a Sunfire when they first came out and had the police come to his door, but his room was more along the size of yours. My neighbors aren't all that close, and no complaints.
post #17148 of 20356
I dont have to worry about the police coming to the door. My nearest neighbor is about 200 ft away one way, but he works on dirt track race cars so we both excuse a little noise!! And the other way is about 400ft. and im also friends with them. Ive lived in this house for about 9 yrs. and both neighbors have lived there all their lives.

Yeah I know its a dual 15" and I know it will move some air. Ive competed in spl competitions for years up till my son was born. But automotive speakers are a whole different ball game, than H/T. I know for the output I want, from what I can listen to around here (which isnt much), I need two sunfire hrs-12's. The sunfire hrs-12 is a dual 12 with one passive downfiring and the other front firing with a 1000 watt amp. But I want to go with Epik. I am just trying to figure out what I need to buy to equal these two subs. Just trying to figure out if one empire will trump these two or at least equal their output. Or if the legend puts out about the same or more than one of these, I might get two legends. I guess if one empire is about the same as one of the sunfires, I could put another empire on the back wall if I had to and run two empires. Just trying to see how they stack up to know what to buy.
post #17149 of 20356
Much of the same on this thread. Come on Chad, release something else already!!!!
post #17150 of 20356
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

Much of the same on this thread. Come on Chad, release something else already!!!!

How about release inventory to Canada first.

I want a pair of Legends.
post #17151 of 20356
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

Much of the same on this thread. Come on Chad, release something else already!!!!

Whats' up Gov! I have a Legend now and it's a really good sub for the price. It hits almost as hard as the Dragon but you have to turn it up for that to happen.

The most exciting subs that Chad ever put out was the 18" jammies. Too bad he stopped making them just as fast as it came out.
post #17152 of 20356
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

Whats' up Gov! I have a Legend now and it's a really good sub for the price. It hits almost as hard as the Dragon but you have to turn it up for that to happen.

The most exciting subs that Chad ever put out was the 18" jammies. Too bad he stopped making them just as fast as it came out.

Tell me.... The wait is excruciating. If he's abandoned the notion of developing the Dual 18", just state it, so us mushrooms can mosey on....

Gov, how's your Phoenix holding up?
post #17153 of 20356
Not happenin.







(waiting to eat my words)
post #17154 of 20356
Whoa...whoa....whoa!!!!!! What do you guys know that I don't?

Fill me in!

Got my Legend and Phoenix jammin' but I didn't know Chad's planning more.

Then again, he usually doesn't announce it until it shows up on his WEB site, anyway.
post #17155 of 20356
Well, I'm back from the dead, AGAIN. I've been using my one Conquest in my theater room and keep thinking to myself that another Conquest would look amazing in that big empty spot on the opposite side. Finding a Conquest for sale is a task in itself.

So........If anybody out there has a Conquest they would like to part with, I'm your customer.

Now that I got that out of the way, here is my question. How would one JTR Captivator 1000 sound with the Conquest. Don't know if that would be something to look at. I want another 18" sub for the Conquest to play with. Room dimensions are:

20 X 12 w/ 9 foot ceilings
Double 5/8 drywall w/ green glue
No panels/acoustics

Thanks
post #17156 of 20356
Wait, one will show up sooner or later.
post #17157 of 20356
I recently purchased a Legend and seems to be getting better and better everyday. I'm interested in buying another Legend but I'm a super noob when it comes to HT. I guess I'm trying to ask what will getting another Legend do? Will it make the bass lower or just louder? What are the benefits of having 2?

I will be stacking them in the corner if I decide on buying another... 90% movies/Directv, 8% music, 2% gaming... those percentage could all change based on you guys opinions.. I went with the legend based on you guys opinions, so I highly take all of them in. Thanks in advance.
post #17158 of 20356
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Originally Posted by dzack02 View Post

I recently purchased a Legend and seems to be getting better and better everyday. I'm interested in buying another Legend but I'm a super noob when it comes to HT. I guess I'm trying to ask what will getting another Legend do? Will it make the bass lower or just louder? What are the benefits of having 2?

I will be stacking them in the corner if I decide on buying another... 90% movies/Directv, 8% music, 2% gaming... those percentage could all change based on you guys opinions.. I went with the legend based on you guys opinions, so I highly take all of them in. Thanks in advance.

What you're doing is called "corner loading." By placing your sub in or near the corner of the room, you'll reinforce certain room modes, which can give the appearance of increased gain (volume). In my opinion, corner loading 2 subs for an HT that's primarily used for movies might not be the greatest idea.

Another option is to separate the 2 subs in different parts of the room. This will help even out LFE throughout the room so you don't have as many nulls, or dead zones in certain places. If you have multiple rows of seating, or even a wide row of seating in your HT, 2 subs will give a much better listening experience for everyone.

Adding another Legend will not lower the audible frequency of your Legends, it will just strengthen the output you currently have. Since you'll have twice the power with 2 subs, you can turn the gain down and still have the same output, but with more headroom and more "evenness" for lack of a better word at the moment. Or, you can turn them both up and shake the rafters, your choice.

I have 2 Empires in my HT for this very reason. If I turn one of them off and move from seat to seat, I can hear drastic nulls in a few places where there is literally zero bass.
post #17159 of 20356
Has anyone talked to Chad or someone else at Epic lately to see if they are still on track for mid October shipping of the Empires? I ordered mine towards the middle of August and would really love to get it soon.
post #17160 of 20356
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Originally Posted by HDvids4all View Post

What you're doing is called "corner loading." By placing your sub in or near the corner of the room, you'll reinforce certain room modes, which can give the appearance of increased gain (volume). In my opinion, corner loading 2 subs for an HT that's primarily used for movies might not be the greatest idea.

Another option is to separate the 2 subs in different parts of the room. This will help even out LFE throughout the room so you don't have as many nulls, or dead zones in certain places. If you have multiple rows of seating, or even a wide row of seating in your HT, 2 subs will give a much better listening experience for everyone.

Adding another Legend will not lower the audible frequency of your Legends, it will just strengthen the output you currently have. Since you'll have twice the power with 2 subs, you can turn the gain down and still have the same output, but with more headroom and more "evenness" for lack of a better word at the moment. Or, you can turn them both up and shake the rafters, your choice.

I have 2 Empires in my HT for this very reason. If I turn one of them off and move from seat to seat, I can hear drastic nulls in a few places where there is literally zero bass.

If you are planning on applying EQ to the subs/room interaction, then corner loading is the correct choice, especially if the prime focus is HT LFE tracks.

The idea being that you start with the maximum SPL which the subs can produce in that room, regardless of FR than use EQ to cut and shape the response to your standards.

Adding another Legend will not lower the audible frequency of your Legends

While it is true that adding more of the same sub to the mix does not change the sub's FR, the additional subs adding more SPL/headroom with the same FR of the original solo sub, there is a subtle inaccuracy in your phrase.

The Fletcher-Munson curves (the so-called loudness curves) which track the threshold of audibility, show that if you get low frequencies LOUD enough, they do indeed become audible.

Those who have not heard a well-designed IB (infinite baffle) sub or an array of subs (well-EQ-ed such that second harmonic distortion does not create a phantom impression of the fundamental due to ear/brain processing), may not have experienced this phenomenon for themselves but nonetheless, raise subsonic frequencies high enough and they can be heard as well as felt.

Naturally, the lower down into the "infrasonic" range you go, the louder it must be to be heard, to the point where the overall SPL would become hazardous if the entire frequency range was raised to the level required to make sub-20Hz frequencies audible. Those with the proper equipment, room characteristics and know-how usually add a "house curve" to their EQ, having the SPL capacity to handle this boost down low.

So, adding another Legend, with its consequent increase in overall SPL, COULD make audible some frequencies in the range which previously were only felt.

If in a given room, 20Hz is audible with one sub, depending on the room size, sub gain, EQ, adding a second *might* push the threshold of audibility down a couple of Hz, due to the increased total SPL.

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