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post #1771 of 20355
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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

would I be giving up anything by going with a sigle Castle?

I'd say about $1100

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post #1772 of 20355
seems like dual posts are helping someone even out the frequency response in this thread
post #1773 of 20355
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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

I'd say about $1100

Laker fan here as well , but like I said, it is more of a WAF thing, just don't want to loose anything going to a single sub. I should also state the my CS+'s are the original driver ones.
post #1774 of 20355
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Originally Posted by kip_ View Post

They need to start making black Wiis.

And white wires.
post #1775 of 20355
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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

Question for anybody who can answer.

I have dual 20-39CS+ with a Samson S1000 amp and thinking of going with a single Castle because of the WAF, so would I be giving up anything by going with a sigle Castle?

I was thinking about going with a PB13U, but the price difference for equal preformance is tempting me towards the Castle.

You should still consider the PB13U because the better sound quality, more features, and smaller size than the Castle makes up the $500 difference.
post #1776 of 20355
its rated +2 points for music but -2 for ht, the size is not that much smaller, 4 inches off in height but +1" for length and +2.5" for width
post #1777 of 20355
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Originally Posted by drift1492 View Post

And white wires.

My Thoughts exactly (Well almost)
lol
post #1778 of 20355
I'm currently putting together my first home theater setup and ordered an Epik Valor last night. The room doubles as a den and is 15x18x8. It will be used with the following equipment:

Marantz SR7002
Fronts: Monitor Audio Silver RS6
Center: Monitor Audio Silver RS-LCR
Rears: In-ceiling (model currently undecided)

I made the decision largely based on opinions from this and craigsub threads. I tried for the Knight but after building cardboard cutouts to model the size, the wife shot it down and we settled on a Valor. Since I'm upgrading from TV speakers, I'm sure I won't be disappointed.

Thanks for all the helpful discussions/reviews from the various posters to this and other sub-related forums. I'll make an effort once its all setup to return with feedback.
post #1779 of 20355
I noticed the status still says pending, but my order now has this note:

"NOTE: This order has already shipped or has reached the final stages of processing. Therefore this order is no longer editable."

post #1780 of 20355
That note should have been there since moment after you clicked confirm order. It will say "shipped" rather than "pending" when it ships.
post #1781 of 20355
JUST GOT MY VALOR TODAY!!! I absolutely love it. It totally beats the snot out of my dual Psw303's. It is as advertised, fast, accurate, powerful, amazing with music, the finish is even better than the website, and home theatre... that is perhaps the only area which is even remotely debatable, but still nt really debatable.

To me, in my sealed 1300 cubic foot room, it is plenty. I can feel my guts moving a little bit, but just a tad. The floor though, thats another story. My neighbors are going to hate me with a passion by the end of the week. Every gunshot, every explosion, is crystal clear, unless you've got the gain on the sub and on the receiver maxed out, then it kinda flakes out.

I'm sure once it breaks in it will sound even a little better, as the foam surround is a little stiff (FYI chad says its not your everyday foam; it's some ultra, ultra foam) I'm going to buy 4 hockey pucks to put under the corners as there are no spikes included and it may make it ever so slightly quieter for my downstairs neighbors.

I'm getting a test tone cd later next week hopefully, and my girlfriend gets back with her camera then too so i'll post the pics/results from the test tones later on next week.

As a note to everyone waiting for a sub that you ordered, Valor or whatnot, try to stay busy. And don't keep checking the tracking as it doesn't change very much.

Overall I would give this sub a 10. If you've got a giant room 6 or 7 thousand cubic feet, and your a crazy basshead, you may want to go ported. However, my room is small, and I couldn't be happier.
post #1782 of 20355
Awesome neumei626. Another glowing review. Dale called today to confirm my order switch, so I will be a Castle owner soon. I can't wait to officially join the club.
post #1783 of 20355
I will be using this for HT and gaming only, I am looking at the Knight and Valor subs but cannot seem to find anything describing the difference in two two subs I looking at.

I was interested if anyone has found that one performs better than the other when it comes to HT?
post #1784 of 20355
Watsonte,

You didn't mention any details, such as the size of your room, so my reply will be more generic. But per the website, here are the specs.

Knight specs:
Price: $599 – Textured black
Enclosure dimensions: 26H x 18W x 26D inches (27D with grill)
Port: Patented 6 inch flared design
Driver: Custom 15 inch high excursion design
Amplifier: Custom 350 watt RMS BASH amplifier
Cabinet: Triple-internally braced, dual thickness baffle super-refined MDF
Warranty: 7 years on driver, 2 years on electronics

Valor specs:
Price: $549 – Textured black
Enclosure dimensions: 22H x 16.5W x 21D inches (22D with grill)
Driver: Custom 15 inch extreme excursion design
Amplifier: Custom 350 watt RMS BASH amplifier
Cabinet: Internally braced, dual thickness baffle super-refined MDF
Warranty: 7 years on driver, 2 years on electronic

Seems to me that the Valor and Knight are very similiar. The only real difference I see is that the cabinet is better braced and a little bit larger to accommodate the port. I have the Valor and am very happy with it for both music and home theater, so I'd say that either one would be a good choice. But I suspect that due to the port, the Knight would move a little bit more air, so maybe the Knight would be a better choice.

I suggest that you call Chad. He'll most likely answer the phone himself and will answer all of your questions.
post #1785 of 20355
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Originally Posted by jam2001 View Post

Watsonte,

You didn't mention any details, such as the size of your room, so my reply will be more generic. But per the website, here are the specs.

Knight specs:
Price: $599 - Textured black
Enclosure dimensions: 26H x 18W x 26D inches (27D with grill)
Port: Patented 6 inch flared design
Driver: Custom 15 inch high excursion design
Amplifier: Custom 350 watt RMS BASH amplifier
Cabinet: Triple-internally braced, dual thickness baffle super-refined MDF
Warranty: 7 years on driver, 2 years on electronics

Valor specs:
Price: $549 - Textured black
Enclosure dimensions: 22H x 16.5W x 21D inches (22D with grill)
Driver: Custom 15 inch extreme excursion design
Amplifier: Custom 350 watt RMS BASH amplifier
Cabinet: Internally braced, dual thickness baffle super-refined MDF
Warranty: 7 years on driver, 2 years on electronic

Seems to me that the Valor and Knight are very similiar. The only real difference I see is that the cabinet is better braced and a little bit larger to accommodate the port. I have the Valor and am very happy with it for both music and home theater, so I'd say that either one would be a good choice. But I suspect that due to the port, the Knight would move a little bit more air, so maybe the Knight would be a better choice.

I suggest that you call Chad. He'll most likely answer the phone himself and will answer all of your questions.

Thanks for the reply, a just to provide a little more detail about my situation, the room is 16x17 with 10ft Ceilings, 2700 cubic ft., I have hard wood floors if that makes a difference.

I was leaning towards the Knight only because it seemed that it might move more air as you suggested, and I assume this will result in better HT performance?
post #1786 of 20355
Your room is similar in size to mine and the Valor does a nice job of filling the room with bass. I had a friend over recently and he was amazed that he couldn't tell where the bass was coming from. At one point of watching War of the Worlds, the bass actually sounded like it was coming from behind my couch. I was pretty amazed by that myself!

Like I said, I think either one will be a good choice. But since the Knight has a port, larger cabinet and is only $50 more, for strictly HT, I would probably go with the Knight. Based upon the cabinet of the Knight, I'd guess that it will pressurize the room a little bit more than the Valor. I don't know if it will go any lower frequency wise though.
post #1787 of 20355
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Originally Posted by jam2001 View Post

Your room is similar in size to mine and the Valor does a nice job of filling the room with bass. I had a friend over recently and he was amazed that he couldn't tell where the bass was coming from. At one point of watching War of the Worlds, the bass actually sounded like it was coming from behind my couch. I was pretty amazed by that myself!

Like I said, I think either one will be a good choice. But since the Knight has a port, larger cabinet and is only $50 more, for strictly HT, I would probably go with the Knight. Based upon the cabinet of the Knight, I'd guess that it will pressurize the room a little bit more than the Valor. I don't know if it will go any lower frequency wise though.

Thanks again for the reply, I think I will give Epik a call later on today and see if they can provide any more details about the differences or if one might work better for what I would like to use it for over another.
post #1788 of 20355
Anyone know if Epik is at the ces? I haven't recieved any answers to repeated phone calls or emails sent to them in a week.
post #1789 of 20355
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Originally Posted by dryeye View Post

Anyone know if Epik is at the ces? I haven't recieved any answers to repeated phone calls or emails sent to them in a week.

I looked at the CES exhibitor list and did not notice Epik. I looked specifically. Also, I called yesterday and got hold of Dale...who sounded rather exasperated. They're extremely busy it seems. They should look into hiring someone to answer phones instead of them two themselves.

It's nice that you can talk to them, but I just wanted to check on something from my order and felt bad making them take time to answer the phone.

On a positive note...everything went through alright with my order...and he said that my Valor should ship this week. yay!
post #1790 of 20355
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Originally Posted by dryeye View Post

Anyone know if Epik is at the ces? I haven't recieved any answers to repeated phone calls or emails sent to them in a week.

i talked to both chad and dale this week. my caliber should be shipping soon! chad said that the knight should be about the same as the ed a5-350, so i went one model up. anyone have any thoughts on how the two would compare?
post #1791 of 20355
Thanks guys, guess I'll just try again, and again, and again until i get them.
post #1792 of 20355
Anyone see any problems with mounting a Knight in an attic, front facing down, grill on 11' ceiling? It's nice that driver and port are on same surface. WAF! I can't see me building an IB sub for much less cash, and the Knight/Valor are proven.
post #1793 of 20355
Hey guys and gals. I am seriously looking at a Castle for my HT.

I listen to music50% movies50%

Room is 23x14x8'H, 2600cu ft approx. Soundblocked with heavy fabric walls(no drywall) think recording studio.

Axiom m80v2 mains,Klipsch RC64 centre, Mirage Omni 260 surrounds powered by Emotiva DMC-1/MPS-1 200w 5 channel amp.

Right now I have a Paradigm PW2200 12" 400 Watt RMS sub.

Maybe a dumb question, but how big a difference will there be in overall SQ, night and day? I play movies at reference level and same wth music(not always)..yea, I like it loud and love to feel the "slam" effect of being hit in the gut.

Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
post #1794 of 20355
watsonte, it doesnt seem hard for me to guess that Knight would have quite a bit more output, but might not be as tight/musical. The former is pretty much a given, the latter - no way to tell without testing.
Since your priorities are HT and games, and your room - not all that small - I'd say the Knight is a better choice.
post #1795 of 20355
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Originally Posted by CADOBHuK View Post

watsonte, it doesnt seem hard for me to guess that Knight would have quite a bit more output, but might not be as tight/musical. The former is pretty much a given, the latter - no way to tell without testing.
Since your priorities are HT and games, and your room - not all that small - I'd say the Knight is a better choice.

I know that Music and Movies are two different things, but, would the music in movies suffer from a sub that might not be as tight musically?

Does that question even make sense?
post #1796 of 20355
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Originally Posted by warlord260 View Post

i talked to both chad and dale this week. my caliber should be shipping soon! chad said that the knight should be about the same as the ed a5-350, so i went one model up. anyone have any thoughts on how the two would compare?

Compare the Knight to the Caliber? Or the Caliber to the eD?

I spoke to Chad about the Knight/Caliber specifically.
I hope I get this right so bare with me.. They use the same combo of driver/amp. The difference in enclosure is where he told me the Caliber is a step up. Because of the larger enclosure, you'll be able to get an extra 3dB's out of the Caliber.

I haven't heard one of the eD subs. I did have some conversation with Craigsub about the eD and the Knight. At the time he had not heard the Knight yet, but from the info he had gathered the comparison would be close. Then after speaking with Chad I decided to go with the Caliber.

It'll be close regardless, my deciding factors were:
Nicer finish on the Epik subs.
Higher quality components used.
How fast I could get it in my possession.
post #1797 of 20355
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Originally Posted by tysonmax View Post

It'll be close regardless, my deciding factors were:
Nicer finish on the Epik subs.
Higher quality components used.
How fast I could get it in my possession.

Good decision, i'd have made the same one. Epik makes great subs, has great prices, a decent finish, and they get them out in a week or less. Not a bad company to do business with at all.
post #1798 of 20355
And so my hunt for a sub brings me to this thread! I sent an e-mail to Epik already, but they're busy so I may follow up sometime next week, but in the meantime, I could use the expertise of existing customers. Here's my situation:

- 3000sq ft room, open into other areas. (14' x 20', 10ft ceilings)
- Budget $900
- 60% HT/40% music
- No WAF or size restrictions

I've been looking for a sub to deliver low extension (<20Hz) with good SPL, but still have the ability to play tight, controlled bass when I am listening to music. Up to this point, there haven't been any subs that really satisfied both requirements. If you need specifics: HT (Finding Nemo, War of the Worlds, LOTR), Music (Hard rock/alternative, classical, jazz).

Based on my budget, the Valor, Knight, and Caliber fit just fine with shipping added in. I would probably go either Valor or Caliber out of that list (Valor is the best albeit only sealed sub at the price point, Caliber better than the Knight). However, I'm also thinking if I delay my sub purchase a while longer, the Castle may find its way into the equation, but for now, it's between the Valor or Caliber.

Obviously the Caliber will play louder at lower frequencies than the Valor (I think Chad quoted it as a Caliber being similar to pair of Valors @ 20Hz), but can it keep tight, controlled bass as well as the Valor?

Given my situation, what would you all recommend? And don't say the Castle darnit, I am close enough to my budget's limit as is!! :P So lets stick to below 900 for the time being.

While I am at it...the Castle is quoted as having a "higher excursion driver"...so am I somewhat correct in thinking that it would maintain a lot of the tightness and musical nature of the Valor while offering superior output at lower frequencies than the Caliber, even though it's ported? If it does offer this, then maybe the pennies require harder pinching.

Thanks everyone!

Tyler
post #1799 of 20355
Why the Caliber or Valor? Why not the Knight or Valor? Is there any difference in the Knight and Caliber other than the Caliber is a couple inches larger (and heavier)? Be nice to see SPL rating at 20hz. for each, we know the Valor is 99db at 20 hz.

PS: How loud is LOUD enough? The Valor 99db@2 meters is about 93db at 4 meters (about my listening position). When I'm setting up my speakers, I can barely stand 75-80dB test tones, so I don't think I'd ever play a sub louder than 90db. Does the size of the room effect the db hitting your ear (if you're always sitting at 4 meters)?
post #1800 of 20355
It does tcat.
thrand1, my recommendation is as always : a7s-450/1300 or caliber
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