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post #18181 of 19475
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Originally Posted by capecodorthopod View Post

Not a problem. Chad (and most other sub makers) recommend 3" of clearance from the drivers.
Tim

Thank you
post #18182 of 19475
I have a new Legend sub and no apparent problems. I have noticed that the amp get quiet warm. These subs have class D amp which should run cooler?
post #18183 of 19475
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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

I have a new Legend sub and no apparent problems. I have noticed that the amp get quiet warm. These subs have class D amp which should run cooler?

That's how they all are.
post #18184 of 19475
Thanks for the response. I have a 15 in sub with a class d amp that runs much cooler than the Legend sub. The Legend has two driver, so that may explain the additional heat.
post #18185 of 19475
I have 2 Empire Subs.One was one of the first Chad sold and it runs warm.I just purchased another Empire a couple weeks ago and it runs cool.I know Chad changed Amps from the original Empires as I have had no trouble with the first Empire and leave it on all the time as I do not like the letting the sub wake up.The new Empire is also on all the time and runs much cooler.The second Empire added a lot more mid bass slam and the both sound fantasic with Music and Blu-Ray Movies.
post #18186 of 19475
Just want to say:

1- My new Empire is awesome.

2- Epik's customer service is AWESOME. Chad really went above and beyond to take care of me when I had an issue. Wish more businesses did the same.

That is all.
post #18187 of 19475
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Originally Posted by piening2150 View Post

Just want to say:

1- My new Empire is awesome.

2- Epik's customer service is AWESOME. Chad really went above and beyond to take care of me when I had an issue. Wish more businesses did the same.

That is all.

Completely agree.
post #18188 of 19475
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Originally Posted by piening2150 View Post

Just want to say:

1- My new Empire is awesome.

2- Epik's customer service is AWESOME. Chad really went above and beyond to take care of me when I had an issue. Wish more businesses did the same.

That is all.

Completely agree.
post #18189 of 19475
I'm looking into the epic legend.. Has anyone tried other subs and went to this one or vise versa?
post #18190 of 19475
ordered a Legend for a 2.1 setup in a small 12x15 room with sloped walls, might be overkill, the PB12 definitely was when i had it in here,

hehehe
post #18191 of 19475
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

ordered a Legend for a 2.1 setup in a small 12x15 room with sloped walls, might be overkill, the PB12 definitely was when i had it in here,

hehehe

Overkill? Whassat?
post #18192 of 19475
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Overkill? Whassat?

a made up word
post #18193 of 19475
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Originally Posted by jcole05 View Post

Had the same issue right before last weekend. I just think they were really backed up and Chad mentioned being away for a few days. He promptly called me on Monday and my emails were responded to as well.

Hopefully you've gotten through as I've been very impressed with their customer service so far.

Just to make sure, what number are you calling?

(815) 337-6067 ?
post #18194 of 19475
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

ordered a Legend for a 2.1 setup in a small 12x15 room with sloped walls, might be overkill, the PB12 definitely was when i had it in here,

hehehe

I have nerver heard anyone say that their sub is to much for me other than size. I have heard many people say that their bass just is not quite there!
post #18195 of 19475
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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

I have nerver heard anyone say that their sub is to much for me other than size. I have heard many people say that their bass just is not quite there!

I have a Legend in a 10x12 closed room. I can only turn it up to one third gain, or it completely overwhelms my speakers (Aperion Verus Grands).

I actually can't even imagine what more powerful subs sound/feel like, when this thing hits so hard.
post #18196 of 19475
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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

I have nerver heard anyone say that their sub is to much for me other than size. I have heard many people say that their bass just is not quite there!

was being somewhat sarcastic, also overkill =/= too much

the room gain in the room is pretty insane due to its shape. its shipped and i cant wait untill it gets here
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post #18198 of 19475
I'm strongly considering an Epik Legend, but am wondering whether it will fill my room adequately. As you can see from the attached floorplan, the home theater is located in a 25' x 14' basement space that is open to a laundry room area that will eventually be closed off. Therefore, I'm mostly worried about being able to fill a 25' x 14' x 7.5' space -- or approximately 2600 cubic feet.

Use is 75% movies/25% music, but I'm coming a two-channel background and prefer musicality over slam.

I prefer the smaller footprint of the Legend and would find it easier to place two Legends than one Empire -- so I guess my question is whether one Legend may be enough for this space?

Thanks!

 

Basement Floor Plan 1.pdf 78.3046875k . file
post #18199 of 19475
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

I'm strongly considering an Epik Legend, but am wondering whether it will fill my room adequately. As you can see from the attached floorplan, the home theater is located in a 25' x 14' basement space that is open to a laundry room area that will eventually be closed off. Therefore, I'm mostly worried about being able to fill a 25' x 14' x 7.5' space -- or approximately 2600 cubic feet.

Use is 75% movies/25% music, but I'm coming a two-channel background and prefer musicality over slam.

I prefer the smaller footprint of the Legend and would find it easier to place two Legends than one Empire -- so I guess my question is whether one Legend may be enough for this space?

Thanks!

I'd personally recommend going with an Empire, and plan around one or two from the get-go. I think you'd be pushing it with even two Legends. My .02 fwiw.
post #18200 of 19475
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Originally Posted by mrmagloo View Post

I'd personally recommend going with an Empire, and plan around one or two from the get-go. I think you'd be pushing it with even two Legends. My .02 fwiw.

I hear you, but I doubt I'll get WAF for even one Empire. It is a serious beast - I mean look at the brothers unboxing it!

I also forgot to mention that I'll be mating it with ACI Sapphire XL L & R speakers (flat to 40Hz) and an ACI Protege center (rolls off at 80Hz), and Def Tech Mythos Gem XL surrounds (roll off at 80Hz). So the sub will need to seamlessly fill in music up to 100Hz AND supply enough low end to handle LFE information.
post #18201 of 19475
I think you would be fine with one Legend. I have a similar sized room (~2400cubes - sealed) and the PL200 I have fills it just fine. I had 2 subs in that same room and it was better but only from the stand point that the LFE was good in more locations.

I would personally (and I am) consider 2 legends for that space. But only from the stand point that you will get better LFE in more locations.

I guarantee the Legend will walk all over the PL200 and the PL200 does just fine in my space.
post #18202 of 19475
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Originally Posted by jw00dy View Post

I think you would be fine with one Legend. I have a similar sized room (~2400cubes - sealed) and the PL200 I have fills it just fine. I had 2 subs in that same room and it was better but only from the stand point that the LFE was good in more locations.

I would personally (and I am) consider 2 legends for that space. But only from the stand point that you will get better LFE in more locations.

I guarantee the Legend will walk all over the PL200 and the PL200 does just fine in my space.

That's encouraging. I'm coming from a REL Strata II (second owner, it was made in 1998). The REL was great when I was into 2 channel in a smaller room, but now I need something bigger!

Ken
post #18203 of 19475
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

I hear you, but I doubt I'll get WAF for even one Empire. It is a serious beast - I mean look at the brothers unboxing it!

I also forgot to mention that I'll be mating it with ACI Sapphire XL L & R speakers (flat to 40Hz) and an ACI Protege center (rolls off at 80Hz), and Def Tech Mythos Gem XL surrounds (roll off at 80Hz). So the sub will need to seamlessly fill in music up to 100Hz AND supply enough low end to handle LFE information.

The key to successful circumvention of the "WAF" to is seek forgiveness after the fact. Also, don't get into the details in advance and back yourself into a corner. Express surprise at first, then head right for forgiveness mode. Learn to embrace this strategy on these important purchases.

A Phoenix is even bigger yet so I'm familiar with the size. That video is a little deceiving because the sub is in front of everything else in the room, similar to holding a fish in front of you for a photo. Once it's backed against the wall, it won't look much bigger than the current speaker between the couch and the plant, and it will blend in nicely.

Regarding the performance, let me put this another way. My area is just a bit bigger at 30' x 15' with an open L area too. My 18" Phoenix was a big step up when I was putting together this new system. I thought my old sub did pretty well, but until you experience the next level, you can't know what you are missing. I almost went with a DT Reference like the neighbor and thought that sounded good, but the Phoenix is in another league all together. If you are looking for decent LFE, trust me, a Legend will do nothing under 20hz, especially in that big of a space. But then again, you won't know what you are missing.

There's nothing wrong with a Legend, but it's not going to dig anywhere near what an an Empire can deliver. The Empire will handle up to 100hz just as well as a Legend if not better, while delivering considerably better low end.

Again, I'm sure there are people out there that would be happy with a single Legend in an auditorium, but I personally wouldn't consider anything less than an Empire in your space. Imho, a single Legend can fill a sealed space up to around 1,500 cf nicely. Duals up to 2,000 cf perhaps. Anything over 2,000 cf you really need to think hard about opting for the Empire or the low end is going to suffer. If you were doing primarily music, perhaps two Legends would be fine, but for your usage mix, and desire for solid LFE, I think you'll kick yourself if you don't shed the skirt. (j/k, but the point remains)

I'd suggest trying to reach out to a few Epik owners in your area and see if they would be willing to do an audition for you. I think you'll find a fellow AVS member or two willing help you find the right choice.

Again, just my opinion.
post #18204 of 19475
Stupid FedEx, now i have to wait until tomorrow
post #18205 of 19475
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Originally Posted by mrmagloo View Post

The key to successful circumvention of the "WAF" to is seek forgiveness after the fact. Also, don't get into the details in advance and back yourself into a corner. Express surprise at first, then head right for forgiveness mode. Learn to embrace this strategy on these important purchases.

A Phoenix is even bigger yet so I'm familiar with the size. That video is a little deceiving because the sub is in front of everything else in the room, similar to holding a fish in front of you for a photo. Once it's backed against the wall, it won't look much bigger than the current speaker between the couch and the plant, and it will blend in nicely.

Regarding the performance, let me put this another way. My area is just a bit bigger at 30' x 15' with an open L area too. My 18" Phoenix was a big step up when I was putting together this new system. I thought my old sub did pretty well, but until you experience the next level, you can't know what you are missing. I almost went with a DT Reference like the neighbor and thought that sounded good, but the Phoenix is in another league all together. If you are looking for decent LFE, trust me, a Legend will do nothing under 20hz, especially in that big of a space. But then again, you won't know what you are missing.

There's nothing wrong with a Legend, but it's not going to dig anywhere near what an an Empire can deliver. The Empire will handle up to 100hz just as well as a Legend if not better, while delivering considerably better low end.

Again, I'm sure there are people out there that would be happy with a single Legend in an auditorium, but I personally wouldn't consider anything less than an Empire in your space. Imho, a single Legend can fill a sealed space up to around 1,500 cf nicely. Duals up to 2,000 cf perhaps. Anything over 2,000 cf you really need to think hard about opting for the Empire or the low end is going to suffer. If you were doing primarily music, perhaps two Legends would be fine, but for your usage mix, and desire for solid LFE, I think you'll kick yourself if you don't shed the skirt. (j/k, but the point remains)

I'd suggest trying to reach out to a few Epik owners in your area and see if they would be willing to do an audition for you. I think you'll find a fellow AVS member or two willing help you find the right choice.

Again, just my opinion.

You married guys are funny.

Speaking of Epik owners volunteering...there's a serious lack of Epik representation on this thread on the subject...http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1354149
post #18206 of 19475
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

I'm strongly considering an Epik Legend, but am
wondering whether it will fill my room adequately. As you can see
from the attached floorplan, the home theater is located in a 25' x
14' basement space that is open to a laundry room area that will
eventually be closed off. Therefore, I'm mostly worried about being
able to fill a 25' x 14' x 7.5' space -- or approximately 2600 cubic
feet.

Use is 75% movies/25% music, but I'm coming a two-channel background
and prefer musicality over slam.

I prefer the smaller footprint of the Legend and would find it easier
to place two Legends than one Empire -- so I guess my question is
whether one Legend may be enough for this space?

Thanks!

I have two legends in 2000 sq.feet room. They are more than adequate MHO.
Mine are not stacked so in terms of output I do not get much higher SPL than with a single. The volume trim is at 9am position, there is plenty of headroom to spare. The theater room is in the basement too, I am getting
nice room gain from concrete walls.

If my experience is any indicator though, it may be difficult to get good frequency response with a single Legend.

The Legends have a built-in bass boost at 25HZ that in my room gets bumped up even higher. That, in combination with a natural null in 40Hz at my LP, produced a wide deep valley between in 25-50Hz region that neither Audyssey nor anti-mode could fix.
The second well positioned sub fixed the problem.
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post #18207 of 19475
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Originally Posted by zheka View Post

I have two legends in 2000 sq.feet room. They are more than adequate MHO.
Mine are not stacked so in terms of output I do not get much higher SPL than with a single. The volume trim is at 9am position, there is plenty of headroom to spare. The theater room is in the basement too, I am getting
nice room gain from concrete walls.

If my experience is any indicator though, it may be difficult to get good frequency response with a single Legend.

The Legends have a built-in bass boost at 25HZ that in my room gets bumped up even higher. That, in combination with a natural null in 40Hz at my LP, produced a wide deep valley between in 25-50Hz region that neither Audyssey nor anti-mode could fix.
The second well positioned sub fixed the problem.

This is very helpful -- thanks! What did you use for your measurements? Eliminating that valley with the second sub probably made a tremendous difference in sound quality -- especially because those frequencies are so noticeable and prevalent in music and movies.
post #18208 of 19475
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

This is very helpful -- thanks! What did you use for your measurements? Eliminating that valley with the second sub probably made a tremendous difference in sound quality -- especially because those frequencies are so noticeable and prevalent in music and movies.

yes, it sure made a huge difference.

I used REW RTA. With RTA you can watch the frequency response at MLP change real time.

I used dolly cart to haul my subs around the room. Some people are concerned that raising subs by few inches can affect the measurements but at least in my room the graphs on the cart and on the floor were identical.

This sub hauling thing turned out to be a very educational experience for me. I mean it is one thing to read that a distance of a foot or two can make big difference, and another to see it with your own eyes, real time.
post #18209 of 19475
Was able to hook up with FedEx today and get my legend. This is one compact little beast. snapped some pics, first one is my cat Jake inspecting the box. The rest show it in its home. You can see from the pics how the walls in this room are slanted as i stated in one of my earlier posts.

Running a 2.1 setup with some Energy RC-10s. Mostly music, sub sound tight and will definitely pound in the room, i will have to get used to my desk vibrating. and yes i know i have some cable cleanup to take care of :P

hehehe
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post #18210 of 19475
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

Was able to hook up with FedEx today and get my legend. This is one compact little beast. snapped some pics, first one is my cat Jake inspecting the box. The rest show it in its home. You can see from the pics how the walls in this room are slanted as i stated in one of my earlier posts.

Running a 2.1 setup with some Energy RC-10s. Mostly music, sub sound tight and will definitely pound in the room, i will have to get used to my desk vibrating. and yes i know i have some cable cleanup to take care of :P

hehehe

Nice setup. What did you use as a crossover? I notice my rc-10's sound better with the legend crossed over @ 100.
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