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post #18451 of 19461
8/11/12 at 8:19am
You are on the right track. 2 legends will smooth the bass out and sound really good. Unless you buy an Empire and get another one down the road. I have a legend and I love it. I will get another one this week,or I might go empire,I wonder how a Empire and a legend would go together..
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post #18452 of 19461
8/11/12 at 10:41am
Well my Legend is shipped. Let you know how it goes. BTW I am playing the greatest amps in the world right now, Hypex Ncores through my modded maggies and it is the sickest thing I've ever heard in my life. I'm actually playing bassnectar and my maggies are pumping like a subwoofer. And the overall sound is the greatest I've ever heard. System is very nearly complete.
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post #18453 of 19461
8/11/12 at 10:45am
That's awesome. Make sure you throw the phase on the sub to180 to compare. I have mine on 180 and it blends awesome with my mirage speakers. I almost went with maggies. Which ones do you have?
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post #18454 of 19461
8/11/12 at 12:53pm
I have Magnestand MMG's with the full mod including the top spec crossover using Jupiter Beeswax capacitors bypassed with Mundorf Silver in Oils.

http://www.indiespinzone.com/magnestand.html
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post #18455 of 19461
8/20/12 at 9:08am
Did you have to send them out to get them modded? How much does that cost?
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post #18456 of 19461
8/20/12 at 3:10pm
Hello,


just inserting a quick question here. I am not new to Epik. I bought my Tower back in 2009 from Chad and was very happy. Fast Forward......I recently moved to a new home and am remodeling the basement. I am ALMOST finished, what a project. Although the room will be much smaller. approx 1300 Cubic Feet. My system is different as well:

Marantz SR 6005
RSL CG4's and CG24
XBox 360
PS3
Roku 2 xs

The RSL speakers are more a satellite than bookshelf and I am looking to get subs that will be able to be cutoff at at least 120 hz or higher. My question is this....Does anyone have dual Legends crossed over at 120 or higher? is there any high end roll off that is undesirable?

Duties:

50% movies, 50% Music.

Music: anything from Concert, Symphonies to Dubstep and Electronica. Needless to say that as much as I want low end, I need the upper range of the bass to be on point as well. Any help is appreciated
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post #18457 of 19461
8/20/12 at 4:42pm
After visiting Epik's site, I'm left wondering what happened to this company???? They used to offer a slew of ported and sealed subs and now Epik is down to two sealed subs and a thread that has slowed to a crawl. Is Epik dealing with supplier issues? Has Chad come out and released a public note as to the reason of Epik's current status? I'm just confused confused.gif
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post #18458 of 19461
8/20/12 at 5:27pm
I agree. Epik sort of fizzled out really IMO (I'm an original Epik Tower and Empire owner) or better put......stabalized. But from a business stand point it makes sense. A focused product line (two products biggrin.gif ). No complications in ordering parts, assembly, decent performance, "typical" subwoofer budget price for the avg user, quality parts and good service. Considering the state of eD (both their lines were pretty much identical in the begining), it seems that Chad made a smart business move. No question, Chad knows subwoofers. And I still hope for the day the uber Conquest II would appear biggrin.gif .







p.s. Though for me now, DIY offers better performance/$$$$ thoough it may look fugly (can be improved on eventually) and you risk a lack of components support after purchase.
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post #18459 of 19461
8/20/12 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by Waffles View Post

After visiting Epik's site, I'm left wondering what happened to this company???? They used to offer a slew of ported and sealed subs and now Epik is down to two sealed subs and a thread that has slowed to a crawl. Is Epik dealing with supplier issues? Has Chad come out and released a public note as to the reason of Epik's current status? I'm just confused confused.gif

I am new to this board and I thought the same thing. I recently bought a used Empire from Audiogon, and I read threw tons of past posts on this thread, starting shortly before the Empire came out. At that point Epik was getting a bit bashed for abandoning past products too quickly and replacing them with others. There were even posts about "what's coming out next" with hints from Chad. Well, it seems there is almost no interest in Epik besides by the people who already own one such as myself.

I love my empire and have 0 buyers remorse, especially purchasing it second hand, but I have to wonder if Chad is working another job and Epik is just some side gig that makes a few bucks every few months...
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post #18460 of 19461
8/21/12 at 7:38am
I wouldn't say there is no interest. I see the Empire getting recommended in the sub 1k category along with HSU's VTF-15h. I have been considering adding a pair of either Empires or a pair of VTF-15H's to place nearfield along the back wall (my SVS PC13 is up front).
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post #18461 of 19461
8/21/12 at 8:29am
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I am new to this board and I thought the same thing. I recently bought a used Empire from Audiogon, and I read threw tons of past posts on this thread, starting shortly before the Empire came out. At that point Epik was getting a bit bashed for abandoning past products too quickly and replacing them with others. There were even posts about "what's coming out next" with hints from Chad. Well, it seems there is almost no interest in Epik besides by the people who already own one such as myself.
I love my empire and have 0 buyers remorse, especially purchasing it second hand, but I have to wonder if Chad is working another job and Epik is just some side gig that makes a few bucks every few months...


Thats exactly what I feel is going on. As if the two subs he offers is bringing in enough revenue and he is satisfied with that and not interested in moving forward. If he is moving forward, why not come out to this thread and give us a little teaser as to what is in development for the future without giving away his research. Dangle that little carrot in front of our faces to keep us salivating for more Epik goodness. I find it funny how he still has the Conquest on his products page to show how massive the sub was but then again, you only have two subs to choose from. If you are not interested in a sealed sub, you have no choice but to look elsewhere. Why would you do this to yourself and your company? I feel real lucky being the owner of two Epik Conquest subs because there may never be an Epik sub like the Conquest again. It really is sad.
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post #18462 of 19461
8/21/12 at 8:30am
Thats exactly what I feel is going on. As if the two subs he offers is bringing in enough revenue and he is satisfied with that and not interested in moving forward. If he is moving forward, why not come out to this thread and give us a little teaser as to what is in development for the future without giving away his research. Dangle that little carrot in front of our faces to keep us salivating for more Epik goodness. I find it funny how he still has the Conquest on his products page to show how massive the sub was but then again, you only have two subs to choose from. If you are not interested in a sealed sub, you have no choice but to look elsewhere. Why would you do this to yourself and your company? I feel real lucky being the owner of two Epik Conquest subs because there may never be an Epik sub like the Conquest again. It really is sad.
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post #18463 of 19461
8/21/12 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Waffles View Post

Thats exactly what I feel is going on. As if the two subs he offers is bringing in enough revenue and he is satisfied with that and not interested in moving forward. If he is moving forward, why not come out to this thread and give us a little teaser as to what is in development for the future without giving away his research. Dangle that little carrot in front of our faces to keep us salivating for more Epik goodness. I find it funny how he still has the Conquest on his products page to show how massive the sub was but then again, you only have two subs to choose from. If you are not interested in a sealed sub, you have no choice but to look elsewhere. Why would you do this to yourself and your company? I feel real lucky being the owner of two Epik Conquest subs because there may never be an Epik sub like the Conquest again. It really is sad.

This implies that you know just how profitable it was to offer all those models. It leaves no room for the possibility that he was losing money or barely turning a profit. wink.gif His old lines were similiar in quantity when compared to SVS and HSU. However, he did not charge SVS and HSU prices. That philosophy did nothing for ED. I doubt he was making money. It as if we are saying he is too lazy to make money.biggrin.gif. Chad's current approach works for Seaton and both of them made it through the recent/current economic slump. A subwoofer isn't a necessity so the fact that they made it is a reflection of their business saavy.
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post #18464 of 19461
8/21/12 at 11:46am
I guess dropping your entire line of subs to survive the economic downfall would be an option in a businesses strategy. I don't have a copy of Epik's earnings so anything I say is just an assumption. My request though is that Chad come out and give us a little information as to Epik's future and at the least just say there is a new line of subs in development or if he is sticking with the two current subs and calling it good. Like I said, dangle that carrot, which I would guess is a decent business strategy.
Edited by Waffles - 8/21/12 at 10:45pm
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post #18465 of 19461
8/21/12 at 1:07pm
All can't be that bad, this Epik thread has the most replies and views in the subwoofer forum here on AVS. 1.8 Million views with little to no marketing is pretty good.
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post #18466 of 19461
8/21/12 at 1:43pm
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My request though is that Chad come out and give us a little information as to Epik's future and at the least just say there is a new line of subs in development or if he is sticking with the two current subs and calling it good. Like I said, dangle that carrot, which I would guess is a decent business strategy.

Why, just to make you happy? Forecasting doesn't always mean much....look at Facebook. or Zynga. smile.gif
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post #18467 of 19461
8/21/12 at 10:51pm
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Why, just to make you happy? Forecasting doesn't always mean much....look at Facebook. or Zynga. smile.gif

Yes, to make me happy and keep me returning to buy Epik product. Thats usually the focus for any company selling anything. I have returned back to purchase Epik's product time and time again, WHY, because I'm HAPPY with Epik. I've been the owner of five Epik subs and I am in the market for another. I have no choice but to look elsewhere and I'm left wondering why?
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post #18468 of 19461
8/22/12 at 6:18am
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Hello,
just inserting a quick question here. I am not new to Epik. I bought my Tower back in 2009 from Chad and was very happy. Fast Forward......I recently moved to a new home and am remodeling the basement. I am ALMOST finished, what a project. Although the room will be much smaller. approx 1300 Cubic Feet. My system is different as well:
Marantz SR 6005
RSL CG4's and CG24
XBox 360
PS3
Roku 2 xs
The RSL speakers are more a satellite than bookshelf and I am looking to get subs that will be able to be cutoff at at least 120 hz or higher. My question is this....Does anyone have dual Legends crossed over at 120 or higher? is there any high end roll off that is undesirable?
Duties:
50% movies, 50% Music.
Music: anything from Concert, Symphonies to Dubstep and Electronica. Needless to say that as much as I want low end, I need the upper range of the bass to be on point as well. Any help is appreciated

I'm replying because I might have an answer for you. I also have a Tower, and while it is an amazing sub, the upper end isn't as strong as it could be. That's why I bought an HSU MBM-12: a mid-bass module that goes up to (I believe) 150hz. Years ago when I did this, I had gotten some great info on how to blend these two different beasts together. I use a Y-splitter from my preamp out and 'treat' the MBM as if it were part of the Tower. You can really play around with it, esp. placement. The MBM-12 is meant for near-field listening, but I found that I don't need that in my setup. Check out HSU's website and they seem to be very helpful. IT WORKED FOR ME..... smile.gif
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post #18469 of 19461
8/22/12 at 9:22am
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Why, just to make you happy? Forecasting doesn't always mean much....look at Facebook. or Zynga. smile.gif

Yes, to make me happy and keep me returning to buy Epik product. Thats usually the focus for any company selling anything. I have returned back to purchase Epik's product time and time again, WHY, because I'm HAPPY with Epik. I've been the owner of five Epik subs and I am in the market for another. I have no choice but to look elsewhere and I'm left wondering why?

What happened to the five subs? What's wrong with the current selection for your purposes?
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post #18470 of 19461
8/22/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by Waffles View Post

Yes, to make me happy and keep me returning to buy Epik product. Thats usually the focus for any company selling anything. I have returned back to purchase Epik's product time and time again, WHY, because I'm HAPPY with Epik. I've been the owner of five Epik subs and I am in the market for another. I have no choice but to look elsewhere and I'm left wondering why?

I think we all feel a bit of what you feel. We do understand. We just figure head and heart into the equation. We all want Chad to be around and that requires profitability, if only to explore new offerings. Add parts shortage/sourcing issues to the equation. We just have to respect his decision and direction whether we agree or not. Exercise your choice.smile.gif

The marketplace has also changed. There was a lot of early emphasis on output. Today, even movie buffs are concerned about "musicality/tactile feel/finesse" in ported offerings. These are qualities that some folks used to say the Epik ported offerings lacked, even the mighty Conquest. Hence, the huge success with the Empire and Legend. It is nice compromise and a different design/marketing philosophy. Personally, I would be surprised if he isn't working on something else. However, why even hint at it until it is a finished product and stocked. He would only risk his reputation and "again" be compared to that now defunct manufacturer. tongue.gif
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post #18471 of 19461
8/22/12 at 11:12am
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I think we all feel a bit of what you feel. We do understand. We just figure head and heart into the equation. We all want Chad to be around and that requires profitability, if only to explore new offerings. Add parts shortage/sourcing issues to the equation. We just have to respect his decision and direction whether we agree or not. Exercise your choice.smile.gif
The marketplace has also changed. There was a lot of early emphasis on output. Today, even movie buffs are concerned about "musicality/tactile feel/finesse" in ported offerings. These are qualities that some folks used to say the Epik ported offerings lacked, even the mighty Conquest. Hence, the huge success with the Empire and Legend. It is nice compromise and a different design/marketing philosophy. Personally, I would be surprised if he isn't working on something else. However, why even hint at it until it is a finished product and stocked. He would only risk his reputation and "again" be compared to that now defunct manufacturer. tongue.gif

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post #18472 of 19461
8/22/12 at 2:44pm
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What happened to the five subs? What's wrong with the current selection for your purposes?

Sold them throughout the years. Two where purchased on Audiogon, one on Craigslist and two directly from Epik. Why I feel the need to replace my subwoofers every year is beyond me. I think I should probably start posting reviews rolleyes.gif My home theater room houses two Conquest which I'm really happy with. Now I'm looking for a ported sub for the corner of my living room.
Edited by Waffles - 8/22/12 at 4:58pm
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post #18473 of 19461
8/23/12 at 1:28am
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

What happened to the five subs? What's wrong with the current selection for your purposes?

Sold them throughout the years. Two where purchased on Audiogon, one on Craigslist and two directly from Epik. Why I feel the need to replace my subwoofers every year is beyond me. I think I should probably start posting reviews rolleyes.gif My home theater room houses two Conquest which I'm really happy with. Now I'm looking for a ported sub for the corner of my living room.

Why does it have to be ported?
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post #18474 of 19461
8/23/12 at 8:36pm
Aww...Epik is such a tease. They replied to my question about their next new sub and when.

"We've always got some goodies in the works. No release information yet, though, but you may want to keep checking back. wink.gif ."

Looking foward to it.
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post #18475 of 19461
8/23/12 at 9:27pm
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Aww...Epik is such a tease. They replied to my question about their next new sub and when.

"We've always got some goodies in the works. No release information yet, though, but you may want to keep checking back. wink.gif ."

Looking foward to it.

Well, if I were in the market now or soon I would hardly let this stop me from buying something else. Too vague to decide to hold off my purchase for some brief comment on potential vapor ware. Now as a happy Empire owner with no current needs I am excited to hear more about this.
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post #18476 of 19461
8/24/12 at 4:30am
I hope it ain't no dual 8"s biggrin.giftongue.gif

I did some more reading on their FB page, and apparently they have been ground plane testing prototypes since March 15th this year.
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post #18477 of 19461
8/24/12 at 8:21am
I have a legend I just got a couple weeks ago.. Its really nice,but now I want to send it back and get an empire instead,and end up with 2. But I can't get ahold of Chad and its been over a week and a half. They said their phones were being switched over,that shouldn't take more than a day. I'm trying to give him money.. I'm growing impatient.. Does anyone know what's going on?
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post #18478 of 19461
8/24/12 at 10:38am
How would a Legend compare against a pair of Jamo SUB650's? I can get two of those for the same price as the Epik Legend so I'm trying to decide.
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post #18479 of 19461
8/24/12 at 10:50am
Funny you mention that.. I have one of those Jamo subs. They are ok,but the legend spanks it. Trust me,just get 2 legends or 1 Empire. EDIT: I just realized that was the 12" sub,I have a 15" jamo THX ultra 2 and my one legend is a lot better. For $499 you will get a better sub than those 2 Jamo's.
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post #18480 of 19461
8/27/12 at 7:55pm
So fyi I've had my Legend for about a week now. It was a used sub, a year old, in pristine condition, and fwiw everything works fine on it, just fine.

I am totally floored by this thing, it is the best sounding sub for music I've ever heard. Writing a review, and will eventually link to it. Anyway, I will not hesitate to add more of these to my system, it's an absolute dream sub. LOVE the natural sealed roll off, everything about it. Blended with my Maggies right in the first few minutes. More to come.
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