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post #19831 of 20352
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Originally Posted by rpfisterer View Post

I mean is the driver components or the power supply components the problem?

could be either. Chinese parts in amps do not last long. depending on useage, it could be 1-3 years, or as long as 5-7 years. but they certainly do not last as long as USA, Japan, or German parts.

the drivers from a lot of the ID companies are questionable. while i am not familiar with Epic's drivers, quite often it is the driver that takes out the amp.

for a lot of companies, it is more important to make a huge profit, then to offer a quality product. problem is, we have been regulated to accept low grade products because of the prices we expect to pay. cheap or good... you normally cant have both. but i have seen a trend towards expensive and lousy unfortunately. mad.gif

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post #19832 of 20352
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Chinese parts in amps do not last long. depending on useage, it could be 1-3 years, or as long as 5-7 years. but they certainly do not last as long as USA, Japan, or German parts.

It is not true and it is very superfluous remark.
Edited by braveheart123 - 9/22/13 at 10:53am
post #19833 of 20352
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Originally Posted by braveheart123 View Post

It is not true and it is very superfluous remark.
In the context of this thread, I find David's remarks a reasonably accurate generalization. Consider that he does repairs on a variety of electronic equipment and has had the opportunity to examine the causes of amp failures and their country of origin. Also consider that these small outfits like Epik, Elemental Designs, etc., often buy from pretty obscure sources whose saving grace is their price and that they can silk screen some logos on the amp allowing the Chad's and others to say they designed the amps. The small outfits don't have anything resembling QC and have never even visited these so called factories. While certainly one can buy quality amps with parts that haven't been culled from the many Chinese electronic dumps, like anything else, you're going to pay. So they give a one year warranty and hope to high heaven the powered sub they sell you lasts a few months longer. Then when they complain on sites such as this that their sub died 7 months past the warranty, people can rush to the defense of the Epik's of the world.

On another note, the chicken nuggets you eat will soon be coming from China. Yummy!
post #19834 of 20352
Do those chicken nuggets come with a warranty? It's scary enough using cheap Chinese amps, now you will be actually digesting it! wink.gif
post #19835 of 20352
Claiming the warranty from six feet under would be tricky, don't you think? smile.gif
post #19836 of 20352
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Originally Posted by braveheart123 View Post

It is not true and it is very superfluous remark.

well, from my experience as a private contract engineer designing audio for almost 30 years, i have witnessed the decline of electronic components ever since China became the major supplier.

i do a lot of destructive testing, and reliability and longevity testing, and you are never going to be able to tell me otherwise.

however, getting crap from China is not all a bad thing for myself... besides the big TV in our living room which was bought brand new, all the other LED TV's in our house (9 of them ) were bought broken... the 55 inch was the most expensive at $73. the smallest one which is a 32 inch LED that i use for a computer monitor was $26. all required the crappy Chinese capacitors to be replaced, with quality Nichicon and Panasonic caps, and all are fine now. my TV's are going to be fine 20 years from now... how about yours ?

by the way, i hate Chicken Nuggets... but my kids are in trouble ! biggrin.gif
post #19837 of 20352
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Originally Posted by braveheart123 View Post

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Chinese parts in amps do not last long. depending on useage, it could be 1-3 years, or as long as 5-7 years. but they certainly do not last as long as USA, Japan, or German parts.

It is not true and it is very superfluous remark.

How do you know? I've been in the import business in the US for most of my life. The decline of quality is ongoing, but it's not limited to China, they're just the most recent. At one point it was Japan. Germany has had its issues post war, depends which side of the wall too. How is it in ol' Pakistan?
post #19838 of 20352
A significant amount of the world's discarded electronics are shipped and dumped in China. Lesser but still significant amounts also go to African countries like Ghana. These dumps with their piled up electronics are combed over by people who look for things like copper and parts that may contain silver or gold. Some also cut out electronic components which then are sold to other businesses which sort them and are then resold for use in something or other. Even if you have boots on the ground, it is difficult to know the origin of parts and hence their long term reliability or suitability in an application. Here's a pic, and there are thousand others of someone scavenging electronic components.



Here's an article on the chicken nuggets thing: http://money.msn.com/now/post--your-chicken-nuggets-may-soon-come-from-china
post #19839 of 20352
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

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Originally Posted by braveheart123 View Post

It is not true and it is very superfluous remark.
In the context of this thread, I find David's remarks a reasonably accurate generalization. Consider that he does repairs on a variety of electronic equipment and has had the opportunity to examine the causes of amp failures and their country of origin. Also consider that these small outfits like Epik, Elemental Designs, etc., often buy from pretty obscure sources whose saving grace is their price and that they can silk screen some logos on the amp allowing the Chad's and others to say they designed the amps. The small outfits don't have anything resembling QC and have never even visited these so called factories. While certainly one can buy quality amps with parts that haven't been culled from the many Chinese electronic dumps, like anything else, you're going to pay. So they give a one year warranty and hope to high heaven the powered sub they sell you lasts a few months longer. Then when they complain on sites such as this that their sub died 7 months past the warranty, people can rush to the defense of the Epik's of the world.
One correction - Epik's warranty was actually three years, not one year as you stated above.
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

On another note, the chicken nuggets you eat will soon be coming from China. Yummy!

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Here's an article on the chicken nuggets thing: http://money.msn.com/now/post--your-chicken-nuggets-may-soon-come-from-china
Thank you for providing the link. The article doesn't actually state that chicken nuggets will be coming from China, just that they could be at some point in the future.

Scott
post #19840 of 20352
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Originally Posted by daveds50 View Post

well, from my experience as a private contract engineer designing audio for almost 30 years, i have witnessed the decline of electronic components ever since China became the major supplier.

i do a lot of destructive testing, and reliability and longevity testing, and you are never going to be able to tell me otherwise.

however, getting crap from China is not all a bad thing for myself... besides the big TV in our living room which was bought brand new, all the other LED TV's in our house (9 of them ) were bought broken... the 55 inch was the most expensive at $73. the smallest one which is a 32 inch LED that i use for a computer monitor was $26. all required the crappy Chinese capacitors to be replaced, with quality Nichicon and Panasonic caps, and all are fine now. my TV's are going to be fine 20 years from now... how about yours ?

by the way, i hate Chicken Nuggets... but my kids are in trouble ! biggrin.gif

Isn't the amp that looks like it's similar to the one epik uses made by a Taiwanese company? Not that it really makes any difference,since most electronic devices for the consumer market use Chinese sourced components anyway,but electronic products these days manufactured in Taiwan and Korea are usually considered better quality than the ones manufactured in China. I remember when Taiwan was the "China" of the manufacturing world and read before them Japan and others.Even the US. Ironic really.
post #19841 of 20352
I have two Empires, both amps dead. No response from Chad. I'm regretting not biting the bullet and going for a Seaton. Does anyone know what the impedance of the Empire is? I want to buy a Crown amp, but notsure sure which one I should get. The amp will have to run both Empires.
post #19842 of 20352
Any word from Epik on... Anything?
post #19843 of 20352
Nothing since the announcement of a driver months ago. Coming up on 1 year with no products to sell. I love my empire but this company is toast.
post #19844 of 20352
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Any word from Epik on... Anything?
According to the latest post on Epik's official blog page:
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June 5, 2013
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We also hope to have product selling in July. Stay tuned for updates, info, specs and pricing.
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post #19845 of 20352
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

I have two Empires, both amps dead. No response from Chad. I'm regretting not biting the bullet and going for a Seaton. Does anyone know what the impedance of the Empire is? I want to buy a Crown amp, but notsure sure which one I should get. The amp will have to run both Empires.

Before getting a new amp. I would make sure the drivers aren't shorted. The drivers may have been the cause of the amp failure.
post #19846 of 20352
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

I have two Empires, both amps dead. No response from Chad. I'm regretting not biting the bullet and going for a Seaton. Does anyone know what the impedance of the Empire is? I want to buy a Crown amp, but notsure sure which one I should get. The amp will have to run both Empires.

I would just but a cheap multimeter that can read impedance. I think I paid $12 for mine at Amazon with free 2 day shipping (Prime).

Also, look for deals at Amazon and Musicians Friend, etc on amps. I got mine for a steal last holiday season (Behringer iNuke) and it has no problem driving 4 15" subs. In fact it is only at half power, but my drivers are pretty efficient and I wired them for 4 ohm and bridged the amp.
post #19847 of 20352
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

According to the latest post on Epik's official blog page:
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Hey, Chad is just really busy manning the phones and email and printing new tee shirts...

Any day now....
post #19848 of 20352
My Epik sub died after about 1 month of minimal use. Replace fuse and it worked for about another 3 months.

Now amp is not powering on. I left about 10 voicemails and 5 emails in the past 3 months with no response.

This sucks.
post #19849 of 20352
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Originally Posted by greddy09sc View Post

My Epik sub died after about 1 month of minimal use. Replace fuse and it worked for about another 3 months.

Now amp is not powering on. I left about 10 voicemails and 5 emails in the past 3 months with no response.

This sucks.

Which model? How did you get a sub 7 months ago from Epik?
post #19850 of 20352
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Which model? How did you get a sub 7 months ago from Epik?

Epik Legend sub. I got it in 12/2013. It was not being used for about 3 months before I decided to contact Epik.
post #19851 of 20352
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Originally Posted by greddy09sc View Post

Epik Legend sub. I got it in 12/2013. It was not being used for about 3 months before I decided to contact Epik.

You got the Legend in December of this year? That's a pretty good trick. Since you can do things in the future, can I get some help picking 6 lucky numbers? tongue.gif
post #19852 of 20352
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Originally Posted by greddy09sc View Post

Epik Legend sub. I got it in 12/2013. It was not being used for about 3 months before I decided to contact Epik.

I assume you meant last December (2012) when Chad has his $399 sale.

I don't know what to tell you. Either you're playing it way too loud or you got a lemon. I would assume Epik won't do anything since for all intents and purposes they're out of business.

I bought a legend during the same sale and when mine goes, I'll probably toss it and move on. It's not worth the effort to try and fix it and I doubt the drivers and enclosure are worth keeping.
post #19853 of 20352
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

You got the Legend in December of this year? That's a pretty good trick. Since you can do things in the future, can I get some help picking 6 lucky numbers? tongue.gif

I meant 12/2012
post #19854 of 20352
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

I assume you meant last December (2012) when Chad has his $399 sale.

I don't know what to tell you. Either you're playing it way too loud or you got a lemon. I would assume Epik won't do anything since for all intents and purposes they're out of business.

I bought a legend during the same sale and when mine goes, I'll probably toss it and move on. It's not worth the effort to try and fix it and I doubt the drivers and enclosure are worth keeping.


I'm not playing it loud at all. It's barely used. I got a lemon. Yes, got it during the $399 sale.
post #19855 of 20352
Anybody know where I can get a replacement amp for an Epik Sentinel? One of mine failed this week. The light on the amp still comes on green but doesn't play. Cable/output is fine, I swapped spots with my other Sentinel and the problem stayed with the sub. I sent an email to Epik butunderstand I'll likely never get a response. Kindof wishing I had gotten a PB13-Ultra instead of dual Sentinels a few years back.
post #19856 of 20352
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

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Originally Posted by greddy09sc View Post

Epik Legend sub. I got it in 12/2013. It was not being used for about 3 months before I decided to contact Epik.
I would assume Epik won't do anything since for all intents and purposes they're out of business.

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Originally Posted by greddy09sc View Post

My Epik sub died after about 1 month of minimal use. Replace fuse and it worked for about another 3 months.

Now amp is not powering on. I left about 10 voicemails and 5 emails in the past 3 months with no response.

This sucks.

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Originally Posted by lilmike2069 View Post

Anybody know where I can get a replacement amp for an Epik Sentinel? One of mine failed this week. The light on the amp still comes on green but doesn't play. Cable/output is fine, I swapped spots with my other Sentinel and the problem stayed with the sub. I sent an email to Epik butunderstand I'll likely never get a response. Kindof wishing I had gotten a PB13-Ultra instead of dual Sentinels a few years back.
Contrary to popular belief, Epik is not out of business. I just received a replacement amp for my Phoenix from them last week. It was out of warranty (over four years old), so I did have to pay for it.

Granted, Chad is hard to get a hold of, and it did take a lot more calls than I would have liked, but he did send me the new replacement amp, and all seems well with it.

For anyone with a warranty remaining, I'd pursue getting a replacement from him since the cost should be covered. For those outside the warranty period, you may want to look at other options, but he should be able to provide you one if you want to go that route.

Scott
post #19857 of 20352
What is with Epik, it might as well be out of business. What true business in good standing has no products for sale for almost a year, can't be reached without great difficulty and cares nothing about it customers. PR/communication is what Epik has failed to provide along side service.
post #19858 of 20352
^^ He is still in business selling T-shirts! wink.gif Good luck with everything else...

Btw- Everything else is "coming soon", just be patient.
post #19859 of 20352
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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

What is with Epik, it might as well be out of business. What true business in good standing has no products for sale for almost a year, can't be reached without great difficulty and cares nothing about it customers. PR/communication is what Epik has failed to provide along side service.

I agree. If one of my subs fails, I'm not even going to try to contact Epik. My time is too valuable to waste on something that will likely be fruitless.
post #19860 of 20352
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

I agree. If one of my subs fails, I'm not even going to try to contact Epik. My time is too valuable to waste on something that will likely be fruitless.

I think an Epik T-Shirt would be the ticket for you to help with the Epik sour taste in your mouth, or may I suggest the all new Epik thong with the word "Epik" across the front. I think Chad is onto something with his apparel. All of Chad's new apparel line comes with Chad's trustworthy warranty which is worth__________. You can fill in the blank.
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