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post #3301 of 19461
wow. Epik's shipping them out relatively fast.
My room is 5300 cu ft and the Tower kicks. I've noticed some annoying door vibrations when low notes are continiously hit.
I've been looking at the dimensions of the Conquest. and I guess I could afford the space if I rested it on it's side (22" H x 36" W x 30" D). But, having it shipped to me might be well over $1700. I didn't plan on spending over $1K while sub hunting. Not even $700. But I'm seriously considering another Tower for more effect and balance.
post #3302 of 19461
basement
Knight
19'x12'x7'9"
1500 cubic feet after taking in account risers
2 hollow core doors, one to the stairs, one to 10'x10'~ lobby (I don't know the exact demensions!)
1 cut out in the room for a metal 19" equipment rack 40 some spaces high.

Could have used a caliber but I will admit I am getting down to 13-15Hz as is , so I can't complain .
post #3303 of 19461
Hi guys,

I am new to subs and discovered Epik today. I currently have an Elemental Designs A3-300 (350 watts, 12 inch driver, $475) on order. Thinking about swtiching the order to Epik. I am looking for some advice on the best model for my needs. Also, which model would be the minimum in my case. Here is a summary of my situation.

My great room is 3500 square ft. lined with 6 ft. high windows on two walls. There is also a large open foyer on the left which goes up about 20 ft high. Another open entrance to a large kitchen with 9 foot ceiling. I am alone so I care mostly about sound around my lazy boy. I could keep the sub close if necessary. There is an unused open space made for a TV/components in the wall on the other side of the room where I don't sit.

I have set my budget to $2500 for new fronts and center. I am leaning towards Salk Song Towers for the fronts/center. Will the Epik's "keep up" and sound good with the Song Towers, AV123 Rockets, Aperion 6T's, Klipsch RF63 mains, etc... speakers in the 2-3k price range? I am not sure how different subs interact/blend with expensive speakers. Are there differences in speed, accuracy, sound quality, etc? The ED's seem like a better deal on paper, but not sure if they sound as good as Epik's.

I will use the system mainly for movies/HD TV/DVD concerts/PS3 - blue ray, but will also listen to music. Fav music is metal, but listen to several different styles.

Finally, I live in a town house. I have neighbors attached on one side only. My kitchen is located between my neighbors wall and my great room with the sub (so it's not directly next to them). I want to feel the bass but don't want to upset my neighbors if possible. Is this possible? Please advise on the best and minimum Epik models for my situation. Thanks.

P.S. Epik is in Illinois so I could pick it up with no shipping (but need to pay tax).
post #3304 of 19461
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

Hi guys,

I am new to subs and discovered Epik today. I currently have an Elemental Designs A3-300 (350 watts, 12 inch driver, $475) on order. Thinking about swtiching the order to Epik. I am looking for some advice on the best model for my needs. Also, which model would be the minimum in my case. Here is a summary of my situation.

My great room is 3500 square ft. lined with 6 ft. high windows on two walls. There is also a large open foyer on the left which goes up about 20 ft high. Another open entrance to a large kitchen with 9 foot ceiling. I am alone so I care mostly about sound around my lazy boy. I could keep the sub close if necessary. There is an unused open space made for a TV/components in the wall on the other side of the room where I don't sit.

I have set my budget to $2500 for new fronts and center. I am leaning towards Salk Song Towers for the fronts/center. Will the Epik's "keep up" and sound good with the Song Towers, AV123 Rockets, Aperion 6T's, Klipsch RF63 mains, etc... speakers in the 2-3k price range? I am not sure how different subs interact/blend with expensive speakers. Are there differences in speed, accuracy, sound quality, etc? The ED's seem like a better deal on paper, but not sure if they sound as good as Epik's.

I will use the system mainly for movies/HD TV/DVD concerts/PS3 - blue ray, but will also listen to music. Fav music is metal, but listen to several different styles.

Finally, I live in a town house. I have neighbors attached on one side only. My kitchen is located between my neighbors wall and my great room with the sub (so it's not directly next to them). I want to feel the bass but don't want to upset my neighbors if possible. Is this possible? Please advise on the best and minimum Epik models for my situation. Thanks.

P.S. Epik is in Illinois so I could pick it up with no shipping (but need to pay tax).

Sounds like you and I chose similar routes. I have a set of SongTowers on order, along with a SongCenter and 2 SongSurround I's (the MT version).

I also have on order an Epik Tower. Honestly with neighbors attached to one side of your house you're probably pushing it even with the A3-300. I doubt you will be able to use many subs to their full potential with a neighbor. I ordered the Tower because I'm moving out of my apartment August 1st

If you decide to switch to Epik they are superior subs for the money in my opinion, but my guess would be anything above a Knight or Caliber would just piss your neighbors off. Even with a Knight or Caliber I simply don't think you'd be able to enjoy it as much as you could in a detached house. Or maybe you should just order a Tower/Conquest, and invite them over every time you want to watch a movie
post #3305 of 19461
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Originally Posted by TnTBigman View Post

wow. Epik's shipping them out relatively fast.
My room is 5300 cu ft and the Tower kicks. I've noticed some annoying door vibrations when low notes are continiously hit.
I've been looking at the dimensions of the Conquest. and I guess I could afford the space if I rested it on it's side (22" H x 36" W x 30" D). But, having it shipped to me might be well over $1700. I didn't plan on spending over $1K while sub hunting. Not even $700. But I'm seriously considering another Tower for more effect and balance.

TNT, I just ordered one of these. My room is about 3000-3500 cubic feet. Do you think the one Tower will suffice. I just recently sold my Klipsch KW120 THX Ultra II subs and amp. They sounded wonderful in the space. I though I would get a few bucks out of them and go with a single sub in the rear of the room instead of the two klipschs sitting in the front. How do you think the tower holds up? Your room is definitely larger, but does it seems like you have to have another one?
post #3306 of 19461
The Tower more than holds well. When watching the Pod imergance scene in WOTW, the place vibrates. Walls shake, doors rattles. Even the floor and doors directly upstairs.
You could feel the vibrations through the rug from my tile flooring.
For a room your size, I think the Tower will more than satisfy.
The problem with my room is that the furniture arm rests are pretty high, and the distance between the sub front and furniture is less than 1.5 feet. It absorbs some punch. Rearranging the furniture is a no no. Another Tower should compensate. I don't mind
post #3307 of 19461
Quote:
Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

Hi guys,

I am new to subs and discovered Epik today. I currently have an Elemental Designs A3-300 (350 watts, 12 inch driver, $475) on order. Thinking about swtiching the order to Epik. I am looking for some advice on the best model for my needs. Also, which model would be the minimum in my case. Here is a summary of my situation.

My great room is 3500 square ft. lined with 6 ft. high windows on two walls. There is also a large open foyer on the left which goes up about 20 ft high. Another open entrance to a large kitchen with 9 foot ceiling. I am alone so I care mostly about sound around my lazy boy. I could keep the sub close if necessary. There is an unused open space made for a TV/components in the wall on the other side of the room where I don't sit.

I have set my budget to $2500 for new fronts and center. I am leaning towards Salk Song Towers for the fronts/center. Will the Epik's "keep up" and sound good with the Song Towers, AV123 Rockets, Aperion 6T's, Klipsch RF63 mains, etc... speakers in the 2-3k price range? I am not sure how different subs interact/blend with expensive speakers. Are there differences in speed, accuracy, sound quality, etc? The ED's seem like a better deal on paper, but not sure if they sound as good as Epik's.

I will use the system mainly for movies/HD TV/DVD concerts/PS3 - blue ray, but will also listen to music. Fav music is metal, but listen to several different styles.

Finally, I live in a town house. I have neighbors attached on one side only. My kitchen is located between my neighbors wall and my great room with the sub (so it's not directly next to them). I want to feel the bass but don't want to upset my neighbors if possible. Is this possible? Please advise on the best and minimum Epik models for my situation. Thanks.

P.S. Epik is in Illinois so I could pick it up with no shipping (but need to pay tax).

dude the ed is more than enough ,but if u have some extra $$ to burn up be my guest
u probably won't be able to even use to its full potencial
post #3308 of 19461
Thats quite a lot of space, if you're an average listener a3-300 with the upgraded driver (+$25 to the price you pasted, worth it) will be enough, if you're a basshead to some degree, you might wanna go for a5-350/mfw-15/knight/castle/etc. All of those subs have great sound quality and will not degrade anything properly matched to any of your speakers of choice.
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

If you decide to switch to Epik they are superior subs for the money in my opinion

What makes you say that? Not saying you're wrong, but curious of the reasoning.
post #3309 of 19461
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Originally Posted by CADOBHuK View Post

Thats quite a lot of space, if you're an average listener a3-300 with the upgraded driver (+$25 to the price you pasted, worth it) will be enough, if you're a basshead to some degree, you might wanna go for a5-350/mfw-15/knight/castle/etc. All of those subs have great sound quality and will not degrade anything properly matched to any of your speakers of choice.

What makes you say that? Not saying you're wrong, but curious of the reasoning.

I should probably qualify this statement. I agree with you that the Epik probably has a bit better articulation for the dollar versus the ED offerings, however, for your money you might get slightly more output going with the ED. An Epik Valor according to Craigsub's rankings scored higher on music (accuracy) than an ED A5-350 and would work out slightly less expensive, but the rankings also give the ED about 10% more output for only a slightly bit more amount of money.

For me personally I like the Epik offerings versus the ED offerings, but mostly from a personal choice perspective. I have heard great things about both subs, but prefer subs that have a nice balance between accuracy and output, and think for the money the Epik brand is hard to beat in any all-around category.
post #3310 of 19461
For you guys who are getting Song Towers , I have a set of Salk HT2's and a Veracity Center on the way. I have a Tower in my setup and it works well with my HT2's.
post #3311 of 19461
I think eD and epik both have good sound quality. It depends more on the particular model. a5-350 is rated as decent sound quality wise, but a7-900 is rated the highest of all. eD told me a7s-450 is as good as a7-900 sound quality wise. Valor is rated above a5-350 for music, but we dont know if its due to the driver characteristics, or the sealed box design. a5-350 should have significantly more output than valor, I'd expect the difference to be more than 10%.
post #3312 of 19461
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Originally Posted by CADOBHuK View Post

a5-350 should have significantly more output than valor, I'd expect the difference to be more than 10%.

Agreed. If I'm not mistaken, a 10% increase in output is less than 1dB, not even easily perceptible if you aren't listening for it IMO. I'd expect the A5-350 to have a good deal more than a 10% output advantage on the Valor - at least below 40hz.
post #3313 of 19461
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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

Agreed. If I'm not mistaken, a 10% increase in output is less than 1dB, not even easily perceptible if you aren't listening for it IMO. I'd expect the A5-350 to have a good deal more than a 10% output advantage on the Valor - at least below 40hz.

Well the Valor measured 99 dB at 20hz which is really hard to even talk about with subs that are <$1,000. They're simply not designed for high output at levels below 30hz. In terms of the average from 20-63 hz the Valor and A5-350 were only off by 2 dB which you likely wouldn't perceive much if at all. At 10 dB things sound roughly twice as loud even though mathematically it's a 1000% increase. A 3 dB increase is mathematically twice as loud, but likely imperceptible to most people.

At 20hz the 2 subwoofers are 6db apart so if you were listening to purely sine waves below 25hz (or movies with a LOT of very low content) would be the time you would notice it. That's why I pointed out that the ED sub would win in sheer output, but the Epik would win on articulation or music output which is almost always above 40hz.

-Chad
post #3314 of 19461
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Originally Posted by TnTBigman View Post

The Tower more than holds well. When watching the Pod imergance scene in WOTW, the place vibrates. Walls shake, doors rattles. Even the floor and doors directly upstairs.
You could feel the vibrations through the rug from my tile flooring.
For a room your size, I think the Tower will more than satisfy.
The problem with my room is that the furniture arm rests are pretty high, and the distance between the sub front and furniture is less than 1.5 feet. It absorbs some punch. Rearranging the furniture is a no no. Another Tower should compensate. I don't mind

i also like that movie for the bass content. i say movie because i think there is more than one scene that hits hard here.
i have roughly the same size room as you , and my 1 tower shakes the whole house. it is a large 4 bd room house, over 2000 sq ft
when testing with 2 towers i set off mine and my neighbors car alarms!
regarding the ed vs epik thing:
i have both
i can only say that the finish on the epik is much more pleasing to the eye.
i have heard that ed has tamed down their finish which might help for they are so ugly. also customer service at epik completely wins my vote
post #3315 of 19461
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

Sounds like you and I chose similar routes. I have a set of SongTowers on order, along with a SongCenter and 2 SongSurround I's (the MT version).

I also have on order an Epik Tower. Honestly with neighbors attached to one side of your house you're probably pushing it even with the A3-300. I doubt you will be able to use many subs to their full potential with a neighbor. I ordered the Tower because I'm moving out of my apartment August 1st

If you decide to switch to Epik they are superior subs for the money in my opinion, but my guess would be anything above a Knight or Caliber would just piss your neighbors off. Even with a Knight or Caliber I simply don't think you'd be able to enjoy it as much as you could in a detached house. Or maybe you should just order a Tower/Conquest, and invite them over every time you want to watch a movie

I called Chad yesterday and we had a great conversation. He is amazingly knowledgable and helpful. I learned that I must include my open foyer and large kitchen as part of the total cubic ft, which puts me over 6000.

Therefore, I decided to go with the Epik Knight. Chad convinced me that I will be blown away by the Knight even in an open space this large. I don't want to take any chances with smaller subs since I am spending $2-$3k on the fronts and center. I feel confident that Epik produces the finest quality subs after reading all the descriptions and speaking with Chad.

Finally, I live in Illinois so I can pick up the sub myself, which saves me a bundle on shipping. I'm eagerly waiting in line and so pumped to get my Knight! Cheers

P.S. my neighbor cool so I'll test it and ask him about the volume levels, and his schedule, etc. I won't play it loud late at night, etc. Shouldn't be an issue.
post #3316 of 19461
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

I called Chad yesterday and we had a great conversation. He is amazingly knowledgable and helpful. I learned that I must include my open foyer and large kitchen as part of the total cubic ft, which puts me over 6000.

Therefore, I decided to go with the Epik Knight. Chad convinced me that I will be blown away by the Knight even in an open space this large. I don't want to take any chances with smaller subs since I am spending $2-$3k on the fronts and center. I feel confident that Epik produces the finest quality subs after reading all the descriptions and speaking with Chad.

Finally, I live in Illinois so I can pick up the sub myself, which saves me a bundle on shipping. I'm eagerly waiting in line and so pumped to get my Knight! Cheers

P.S. my neighbor cool so I'll test it and ask him about the volume levels, and his schedule, etc. I won't play it loud late at night, etc. Shouldn't be an issue.

Get a couple of Conquests and see how cool he is
post #3317 of 19461
I got notification that my Tower shipped out today I ordered June 21st (a Saturday) and it shipped out exactly 20 days after I placed my order. Really less than 3 business weeks so I am quite pleased. Exactly as stated on their website when it said ships in 2-3 weeks.

I will say this though. I called Karen and asked her to send me some specs on the Tower via email. She said she would have Chad do it. I emailed Chad 3 days later without a response. A week after that I called and spoke to Chad directly and asked him to email some specs to me. Both Karen and Chad said they would send the specs to me via email, but I never have received anything unfortunately. Am I the only one who's experienced poor communication? It seems like so far everyone is praising Epik's great customer service. Ultimately I'm buying the product based on what it can do, and not its customer service but I would feel better if I could get some assistance from them.

-Chad
post #3318 of 19461
the most detailed specs you're gonna get about their products are on Epiks website. The user who started this wonderful thread had posted pics of their drivers, but had to remove it as per Chad's request.
Industry secrets my friend. I guess it was a polite way of saying no you can't. I have no problem with their secrecy. Heard that their products are stellar performancers at reasonable prices, and are at the top (CraigSubs tests) and I went with em.

anyone saw eD's new A7 350? It looks like the spitting image of the Tower. 90lbs heavier tho.
post #3319 of 19461
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Originally Posted by TnTBigman View Post

the most detailed specs you're gonna get about their products are on Epiks website. The user who started this wonderful thread had posted pics of their drivers, but had to remove it as per Chad's request.
Industry secrets my friend. I guess it was a polite way of saying no you can't. I have no problem with their secrecy. Heard that their products are stellar performancers at reasonable prices, and are at the top (CraigSubs tests) and I went with em.

anyone saw eD's new A7 350? It looks like the spitting image of the Tower. 90lbs heavier tho.

Well I doubt he would have said "yes you can" and then not sent them. If that is the case then it was a really rude way of saying "thanks for being my customer but i'm going to ignore you anyway".
post #3320 of 19461
Hey guys, I've read almost all of the Epik thread, at least the last 60 pages...
Whew!

It seems Epik is giving the most bang for the buck and I think thats were I want to be.

I've got my HT mostly constructed and want to upgrade the sound system from $299 radio shack ht in a box to some real stuff...

Based on this:

(ok, see attachement on bottom)

I've got the layout and other info on the picture.

I thought the Conquest was the way to go, but I've only got 29" to the bottom of my screen...so, should I buy two towers or lay a single Conquest on its side?

For all the other speakers I was thinking the HSU surrounds/center would be a good budget minded start and 15 years from now when the kids are out of college and the house is paid for I'll upgrade if need be...well they will be old anyway.

For a reciever I was thinking Onkyo 606.

I want OK sound, but kick butt bass! I built the walls out of 8" blocks to help control unreasonable quantities of bass....

Thanks for the help!!!!

joe
LL
post #3321 of 19461
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Originally Posted by jeoinaforest View Post

Hey guys, I've read almost all of the Epik thread, at least the last 60 pages...
Whew!

It seems Epik is giving the most bang for the buck and I think thats were I want to be.

I've got my HT mostly constructed and want to upgrade the sound system from $299 radio shack ht in a box to some real stuff...

Based on this:

(ok, see attachement on bottom)

I've got the layout and other info on the picture.

I thought the Conquest was the way to go, but I've only got 29" to the bottom of my screen...so, should I buy two towers or lay a single Conquest on its side?

For all the other speakers I was thinking the HSU surrounds/center would be a good budget minded start and 15 years from now when the kids are out of college and the house is paid for I'll upgrade if need be...well they will be old anyway.

For a reciever I was thinking Onkyo 606.

I want OK sound, but kick butt bass! I built the walls out of 8" blocks to help control unreasonable quantities of bass....

Thanks for the help!!!!

joe

Man that fireplace just ruined your chances of having a space that didn't feel narrow didn't it? I live in Texas and someone somewhere decided it was a great idea to put a fireplace in every f'ing house in Texas, yet we NEVER use them. I think they only get in the way of great home theaters

Anyway I think you should call Epik and speak directly to Chad. If I was giving you advice I'd say to get 2 Towers as I would imagine you would get more output from 2 Towers, but might give up a few hz in the low end. I'm not sure what the low end of the Tower is, but would imagine it can get down to at least 15-16hz. I've heard the Conquest can get down to 10hz with room gain

Give them a call and see what Chad recommends.

-Chad (not from Epik )
post #3322 of 19461
Yeah, I agree on the fireplaces. We have two and we use the one on the primary floor (ranch style home with full basement) every weekend in the winter.

The fireplace in the basement, hasn't been used in the thirty years the house has existed...I think a waste.

I'll call Chad and see what he thinks...and also hopefully more folks will weigh in with thier experiences.

And as to feeling narrow, um, maybe, I'm used to it though....right now we have the treadmill and bicycle trainer over there...when finished I was thinking of putting a large thin drapery/curtian that would sort of segment off the 8' wide room over there.

I originally wired for two subs so the wires are there and ready....

thanks,

joe
post #3323 of 19461
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Originally Posted by jeoinaforest View Post

Yeah, I agree on the fireplaces. We have two and we use the one on the primary floor (ranch style home with full basement) every weekend in the winter.

The fireplace in the basement, hasn't been used in the thirty years the house has existed...I think a waste.

I'll call Chad and see what he thinks...and also hopefully more folks will weigh in with thier experiences.

And as to feeling narrow, um, maybe, I'm used to it though....right now we have the treadmill and bicycle trainer over there...when finished I was thinking of putting a large thin drapery/curtian that would sort of segment off the 8' wide room over there.

I originally wired for two subs so the wires are there and ready....

thanks,

joe

The Castle or Tower will be plenty. The Conquest, on it's side, will be exceptional. It couples better to the floor on it's side anyway. Talk to Chad, as suggested. Tell him what you're looking for as to performance.
post #3324 of 19461
Have you thought about sizing the fireplace so a conquest on its side slides right into it. Just remember not to turn on the fireplace.....

BTW - Conquest is supposed to sound best on its side and crossed over at 60hz. Not verified personally, but I have heard it mentioned by multiple people.
post #3325 of 19461
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeoinaforest View Post

I thought the Conquest was the way to go, but I've only got 29" to the bottom of my screen...so, should I buy two towers or lay a single Conquest on its side?

I believe that per Chad, 2 Castles/Towers will out-class 1 Conquest. But the 1 Conquest may be easier to calibrate since you wouldn't be co-locating.
post #3326 of 19461
oh, wow, hiding the sub in the fireplace!!! I'll talk to chad, but I like that idea!!! And it is a huge fireplace so that should work! I'd have to do some sort of sound proofing in the chimney since the the flue's are only a foot apart in the main chimney chase and I'm afraid I'd couple a lot of bass upstairs, but, it is one massive hunk of concrete!

I'm wondering...any chance of a reasonant freq going up the top and causing some mortor damage at the top of the chimney's?

Any comments/experience?

Bear in mind, I've been planning this for about 8 years and have been DREAMING of the day when I could have awesome bass....my current set up doesn't even register on either of the two spl meters I have at 20hz....so this will be a total change in our house! I may be "fretting" with a non-issue, but I just have no experience other than what I've read off you guys!--oh, and when my windows rattle when the hip-hop guys drive by the road 100 feet away.....

thanks,
joe

oops, measured the fireplace and a Tower would fit, but no conquest....man, that thing is BIG.
post #3327 of 19461
[quote=ON IN II;14255808]Yeah, what size rooms do people have with which sub? I am curious about what each person thinks and if they should have gone bigger or if they think they could have gone smaller?
My room is 20 x 25 x 10 and is open to the kitchen (2500 cu ft) and a really open foyer and den. Does anyone have a conquest in a large room and how does it sound?

I will be sitting 15' from the Conquest and it will be directly in front behind the TV stand in the media niche. I am hoping it will kick some a** and I will be able to feel it both in the midbass punch and low end. Chad said it could go down to 10 hz in the niche.

I may add a MBM-12 down the road when I build up my secret married man stash of $$$$ again. If my wife knew what I actually spent on my Speakers, Center channel, AVR, CD/SACD/DVD player, tape deck and sub she would divorce me and take all the equipment in the the settlement.

Did I mention my wife has a 1000w stereo system w/2 12" subs with 1000w amps each in her Xterra?


i have my valor in an 18' x 14' x 8' and without even calibrating this thing it's phenominal. now i'm a noob so a can't give you reqw or db's or hz yet but i know my ears like it, and my first movie lotr twin towers was awesome. when the orcs attack the castle and the thunder rolls in it really pressurizes my room. the ol was in the garage and came tearin in wondering wtf i was doin

now on to spl!!
post #3328 of 19461
I just recieved my Conquest and did the set up as i read in the forum about putting the sub in your seating area and then walk around on hands and knees and listen for where the sub sounds best. In doing this I determined that in the middle of my two main front speakers was best and moved it a bit to the right of my TV since the sub would be in the way of the TV.

I was wondering if there is a general consensus on where the sub should be placed. I know this is all interdepent on many variables but looking for a general rule of thumb...

Where is everyone else placing their SUB?? Thanks!
post #3329 of 19461
Should be where it gives the smoothest response (least dips and peaks). This will be difficult if the seating location itself is against or very near a wall (very bad for bass).

Usually it's the front of the room. Near or several feet from a corner. Can be further from a corner, ie closer to the front speakers.
post #3330 of 19461
I placed an order for a pair of Conquests last week. Should be adequate in a 1975 Cf room.

John
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