Official Epik Subwoofer Thread - Page 282

Originally Posted by Hksvr4

I use Slow response for sine waves and Fast for movies or music.

Originally Posted by DoubleATheater

Glad everyone likes their Phoenix's. Mine still impresses everytime. I am surprised at how loud some of you guys get. I listened once at 106dB uncorrected for the Finding Nemo fish tank scene and felt I was going to go deaf. Thankfully I can still hear as far as I know. 112 uncorrected my head would probably explode. Keep up the good work guys

Originally Posted by mcjasonb

i've seen 108 uncorrected at my listening position with my wimpy little Sentinel. it wasn't THAT loud.

Originally Posted by DoubleATheater

Awesome

I just don't want to lose some hearing ability, but for the short bursts that occur at those SPLs in movies I don't think I have that much to worry about.

Originally Posted by mcjasonb

oh it is. i don't know why i want a second one, but i do. a second should easily get me to the 115db mark.

it takes a lot of volume in the low frequencies to cause hearing damage.

Originally Posted by Snowmanick

Per several postings regarding this question being discussed with Chad, the Ultra falls between the Phoenix and the Dynasty in overall output.

Originally Posted by DoubleATheater

Do you use C weighting??

Originally Posted by graphicguy

Pocket the price differential with the Phoenix and forgo wood veneer, or spend the extra and get a nicer looking sub? That's the decision that has to be made.

Originally Posted by graphicguy

It's probably not a fair comparison, but I was able to hear the SVS PB 13 Ultra last night in a business colleague's HT. Was attending an out of town meeting. After the meeting, small talk ensued and we found out we're both HT enthusiasts. He kindly asked me over to give a look-see at his HT.

His room is about the same size as mine. And, it's furnished, more or less, about the same (carpet, few hard surfaces). He's got a 50" KURO (vs my 60"...got him on that count). Different speakers (he's got a total SVS set up). And, he's positioned his Ultra in a different location. I do believe I was more careful with placement on my subs. He just put his Ultra where he had room....no corner placement, but had it between his C and R speakers. Although, he did use the EQ of the Ultra.....one port plugged. So, this isn't very scientific, at all.

But, we used the same material I was familiar with.....SACD of DSOTM, WOTW, Cloverfield, Hulk. I'd give a slight nod to the Ultra for extension. I'd give a slight nod to the Phoenix for SPL. Neither one will show any untoward behavior when played at 100+dbs.

If I had to choose one over the other, I am a sucker for nice veneers. The Ultra does that well. I'd give the nod to the Ultra for the "eye candy" portion. But, you pay for that, given the $500 delta between the two. SQ, extension, SPL, tough call. Can't say I'd prefer one over the other. The Ultra is a really, really good sub. So is the Phoenix. That said, I don't feel the Phoenix gives up anything as far as quality of materials or build. They both do all things well, regardless of the parameter you choose.

Again, tough call. Can't make it based just on performance. Pocket the price differential with the Phoenix and forgo wood veneer, or spend the extra and get a nicer looking sub? That's the decision that has to be made.

Originally Posted by graphicguy

But, we used the same material I was familiar with.....SACD of DSOTM, WOTW, Cloverfield, Hulk. I'd give a slight nod to the Ultra for extension. I'd give a slight nod to the Phoenix for SPL. Neither one will show any untoward behavior when played at 100+dbs.

If I had to choose one over the other, I am a sucker for nice veneers. The Ultra does that well. I'd give the nod to the Ultra for the "eye candy" portion. But, you pay for that, given the $500 delta between the two. SQ, extension, SPL, tough call. Can't say I'd prefer one over the other. The Ultra is a really, really good sub. So is the Phoenix. That said, I don't feel the Phoenix gives up anything as far as quality of materials or build. They both do all things well, regardless of the parameter you choose.

Again, tough call. Can't make it based just on performance. Pocket the price differential with the Phoenix and forgo wood veneer, or spend the extra and get a nicer looking sub? That's the decision that has to be made.

Originally Posted by DoubleATheater

Glad everyone likes their Phoenix's. Mine still impresses everytime. I am surprised at how loud some of you guys get. I listened once at 106dB uncorrected for the Finding Nemo fish tank scene and felt I was going to go deaf. Thankfully I can still hear as far as I know. 112 uncorrected my head would probably explode. Keep up the good work guys

Originally Posted by fab5valentine

I have a large space and ran 113 with my Phoenix to a baseline from blue Man Group about 6 seconds..

When I said ahhhhhhhhhhhh it came out a--h--h--h--h--h--h--h--h..

The second one arrives tomorrow , maybe 115+db

-fab5

Originally Posted by Ron Temple

Regarding the price delta the Phoenix should always be a consideration because it does so many things well and $500 is $500.

Originally Posted by patemd

Hi All,

I am still trying to understand the nuances of sealed vs ported. I have RC-70's and RC-LCR with pioneer 1019 avr. I have 12X 12 room that opens into 15X15 room. 50/50 use between HT and music. Trying to decide between phoenix vs. dragon. Can you provide opinions?

Thanks,
Milan

Originally Posted by GrizRod1

Best thing to do is to talk to Chad at Epic. I was going to get the Dynasty and he pointed out that it is 8" longer then the Phoenix and I probably would not be happy with the extra size over the Phoenix in my small room. He could have sold me the more expensive Dynasty, but didn't. Like others have posted on here, Chad knows his stuff and will try to make sure you are satisfied with the sub you choose after getting the facts.

Originally Posted by SharpOne

True, I was leaning towards getting either the Dragon or Phoenix so I wouldn't have to wonder about what might have been.

Given everything else we discussed, Chad convinced me to stick with the Sentinel. I'm glad he did, because I had talked myself into thinking the wife would be okay with it. When I picked my Sentinel up and saw the entire Epik lineup in person, I'm glad I didn't go larger. To me they were all pretty good size, and significantly larger after the Sentinel. My wife would have been upset for some time and probably tried to make me send it back.

Thus far the Sentinel has proved to be plenty and a definite upgrade over what I had. Even though, I have become somewhat obsessed and enthralled by the idea of getting another Sentinel. Probably from constantly reading this thread. I might be able to pull it off, but not anytime soon.

Back to the main point. If you have restrictions on your purchase, if you talk to Chad and let him know what you are really looking for in your sub, and where it will be going. He should be able to steer you in the right direction. If however you have no restrictions, WAF or otherwise...buy the biggest you can afford and fit.

Originally Posted by bambam

Size doesn't (does?) matter to me, so I want 2 Dynasty's!!!!

Originally Posted by bfisherjr

Hope you don't mind if I jump in and ask a couple questions

I have been trying to settle on a sub for my updated theater (about 3000 ft3). About 85% movies/sports/tv and 15% music.

I have 22" to the bottom of my projection screen frame (acoustically transparent, but the sub would be under the screen - not behind it) - so I need a sub smaller than that (do I need to worry about vibrations from it being too close?)

So I've been considering a Dragon due to its size... but wondering about maybe using the Dynasty laying on its side (is that acceptable)?

Also, I could put a sub near the couch (with some extra wiring work) - does that cause problems or is it better for me to have it nearer my speakers?

I plan to call Epik tomorrow but wondering if you have any thoughts...

Originally Posted by mcjasonb

the Phoenix may also work. but it's right at 22"

the Dynasty can be laid on it's side. you wouldn't be the first to do so.

you could put it near the couch put you'll get more low end reinforcement when it's placed near a wall or better yet, a corner. it's just the way it is.

it say get a Dynasty and lay it in it's side. that would be my suggestion. it should do very well in that sized room.

another option, if you have the cash. you could get two of the Sentinels. they are under 22" tall. and two should equal or outperform a single Dynasty.

Originally Posted by bfisherjr

Thanks for the reply. The couch is L-shaped, so if I put a sub near it - it's still against the wall But my front wall is sound-treated (2" Owens 703) so in my mind I wanted to put it there... but I don't know if that's really necessary

I wondered about two sentinels... or 2 vanquishes (only $100 more than 1 Dynasty). Hitting the "more than I wanted to pay" area Thanks for the ideas.

Originally Posted by Ron Temple

Regarding the price delta the Phoenix should always be a consideration because it does so many things well and $500 is $500. Regarding your listening impressions, that's just too hard a call unless you have both subs in the same room. I certainly couldn't make definitive statments either. I'll agree that the Ultra seems to extend further, but not by much. Output's another question. I think the Ultra has more in the tank based on what I heard and some of the peak output numbers mentioned regarding both subs. In smaller rooms, a single Ultra will peak out above reference. I haven't seen any of you post numbers quite that high. Maybe you guys just aren't pushing it .

Either sub played within their limits has stellar SQ, but the 18" driver sounds different than the 13.5". Which you prefer, unless you hear them, is kind of a leap of faith. I know that I couldn't decide without putting them both in my room, interacting with my speakers. That's not likely to happen unless we organize a local GTG and somebody wants to lug a big sub.

Originally Posted by KBMAN

LakersFan34,
Haven't been on here for a WHILE....I see you still have your Castle...are you still happy with it? I still have my Tower and still love it. BTW, what's the current equivelent of the Tower, in the Epik line? Later