Official Epik Subwoofer Thread - Page 305

Originally Posted by TnTBigman

hmm. A dollar per cubic feet huh. . Thats a nice budget. Two Dynasty's up front, what more could u want. 4 Sentinels won't have more low end (that makes the place tremble) than dual Dynastys. The A7 450 looks like a clone of the Conquest, so I don't know if it will perform the same or better. A user here traded his dual A7s 450's for a single Conquest and could not believe the sound quality and impact he was missing out on. An unfair comparision (sealed vs ported), but still it's user feedback from someone who had an opportunity to listen to both. Who knows when the Conquest replacement will be released. My pick, dual Dynastys up front.

Originally Posted by Madaeel

First time post. I've been reading this post for the last couple weeks and I just wanted to say that this is a great thread and I enjoy all the information and reviews. So in a couple of months I'll be finishing my basement where one half of it will be a home theater area. While it would be nice to enclose the home theater side my wife and I decided it would look better as just an open
area. The total area is roughly 3500 cubic ft. I've pretty much decided to either purchase epik or Ed subs after reading up on the forums the past couple of months. I'm not sure yet what to get and I was hoping maybe you guys could give me some advice. My budget is around 3500$ and I don't really wanna go over that. I'm thinking either four sentinels or a7s-450's. Or two dynasties or two a7-450's. I also wouldn't mind waiting for whatever replaces the conquests. It's going to be mostly home theater and gaming with some
music listening. I can only put the subs up front underneath the projection screen. Thx for any advice you can give me.

Originally Posted by fab5valentine

I can vouch for the Outlaw for sure, yet I opted to return it for an SVS +/2 at the time per strickly online reviews.. And yes the +/2 was a powerful beast, -it was still missing some of the preformance aspects of the Outlaw LFM-1, and that was a single 12" driver working in a large open floor plan.. As an example when I was test driving it all out I heard a shrieking cry from my 4 yr old playing nicely upsatirs with his older sis.. I instantly cut the volume and flew up stairs to see him standing there in the loft area in terror crying and saying the floor is moving. I immediately comforted him, told him it was me playing with the subwoofer, and then asked (begged) him to please NOT TELL MOM!!!.. The SVS was good too but never produced the ripple thru the upstairs floor like the Outlaw did.. I kind of wish I'd of kept it and bought another and maybe I wouldn't of got the upgraditas.. Dunno.. They were not too big either but lacked a choice of finishes.. The customer service was great, fantastic actually.. They even paid the shipping for returning it.. Wow!! And now they have a bigger better sub yet even.. and they are on sale too.. and looks to be a great price.. However the Sentinels are priced excellent too and have proved here to be an excellent performer.. So that's a tough one.. But a big thumbs up to Outlaw IMO.. If you choose a company with a 30 trial you could always flip the one you like the least..

-fab

Originally Posted by TnTBigman

hmm. A dollar per cubic feet huh. . Thats a nice budget. Two Dynasty's up front, what more could u want. 4 Sentinels won't have more low end (that makes the place tremble) than dual Dynastys. The A7 450 looks like a clone of the Conquest, so I don't know if it will perform the same or better. A user here traded his dual A7s 450's for a single Conquest and could not believe the sound quality and impact he was missing out on. An unfair comparision (sealed vs ported), but still it's user feedback from someone who had an opportunity to listen to both. Who knows when the Conquest replacement will be released. My pick, dual Dynastys up front.

Originally Posted by Hksvr4

I have been on a bass withdrawl. We have a new born and she wakes up on the slightest noise. I didn't realize how loud wood floors were until now. I can't remember the last time I played a movie with house shaking bass. I don't have time to sit and listen to music anymore. I can't remember when I turned the sub on. I'd say with in about 6months or so, I can play Cloverfield at reference again..lol.

Originally Posted by Gov

You need to play Cloverfield everyday and get that little one used to it Boy, I am glad those days are beyond me now, LOL!!! Congrats on the newborn

Originally Posted by goonstopher

Got my receiver working right, ran audyssey and it set my Dynasty to -14.5 (max-15) with the gain set at 12.

I turned it up to -8 and still don't like the sound compared to my pb-13 ultra. Just doesn't have the impact. Has a rumble but not a good sound if that makes sense.

Originally Posted by BillCinLR

goonstopher,

If Audessey set your subwoofer level that low, it means the gain was to high. Turn down the gain some and run Audessey again ... it should be closer to 0.

Bill C

Originally Posted by BillCinLR

goonstopher,

If Audessey set your subwoofer level that low, it means the gain was to high. Turn down the gain some and run Audessey again ... it should be closer to 0.

Bill C

Originally Posted by goonstopher

I wish I never sold the pb13 ha... we will see if it works out

Originally Posted by goonstopher

Gain was at noon and the bass sounded dead till I turned up the spl setting in the receiver - still not as good as I expected or had in the past

Originally Posted by Mark S.

This is PRECISELY what is happening to me now after I purchased a SVS PC-12 PLus, except when I turn up the gain the sub bottoms. I've done hours of testing/fiddling, purchased SPL meters, and gone back and forth with possible solutions with SVS tech support. They are sending me a new amp but to tell you the truth I am not overly optimistic. My Paradigm ultracube-10 outperforms it by a significant margin, and I have a hunch that it has to do with amplifier headroom (650w RMS in the ultracube, 525w RMS in the SVS).

Who knows though. Anyways, I wish you good luck, as I know EXACTLY what you are going through right now. It's very disheartening indeed. I suspect I'll be in the market for a new sub soon.

Mark

Originally Posted by lalakersfan34

Mark,

Your subwoofer is clearly not operating correctly. A properly working PC12-Plus will easily outclass the tiny Ultracube-10. I'm sorry to hear you're having issues.

The designs of the PC12-Plus and Ultracube-10 are so different that comparing their amplifier specs is meaningless. The drivers have different T/S parameters (neither driver has parameters available to the public) which will radically change their performance. The subs are different in design (ported versus passive radiators), enclosure size, driver size, amplifier (both power ratings and built-in EQ curves), etc.

Even if all other factors were equal, the difference between 525W RMS and 650W RMS is next to nothing. There would be less than a 1dB increase in output going from 525W to 650W. For any given subwoofer, DOUBLING the amplifier power only results in 3dB more output. That said, as I mentioned the two subs are so different in design that it's impossible to use amplifier power to accurately compare the two. Hopefully SVS will get your PC12-Plus up and running as it should be. The only reason I could see an Ultracube-10 besting a PC12-Plus is if you were forced to use a radically different placement with the PC12-Plus (due to its larger size) that created a huge null at your listening position. Otherwise, the performance between the two shouldn't even be close. Best of luck.

Originally Posted by BleedGreen

Madaeel, two Dynasty's would be insane. If you're concerned with how the subs sound, buy one and see how it is. If you don't like it, then send it back. There's a 30 day return policy with Epik subs. You'll lose out on shipping costs, if you decide to return it. However, I haven't seen many B Stock items available on Epik's site like I have with other ID companies. There's one Phoenix in B Stock that I've seen in the past few months (I've been shopping for a while) and it appears that it was damaged. I don't think many people return Epik subs after hearing them.

Who knows, maybe one Dynasty will be enough. You're wife will probably think so.

Originally Posted by goonstopher

No they never complained about sound UNTIL they switched to other subs then realized something was missing before. Like they were very happy with the sound but when hey switched they seemed then then notice what may have been wrong.

Originally Posted by JEFFREY GTS

See, it's quotes like this that make me hate forums.
Now I am wondering what I am missing with my MFW-15.
Seriously though, I plan on taking a listen to the Epiks.

Originally Posted by bsoko2

The grass in greener . . . this is what leads to upgrading of subs! Hell, I've gone through 5 in the last 2.5 years. Of all that I have had, I would say that HSU has the best in SQ, and both Epik (Conquest) and Ed (dual A7S-450's) with pure output. Conquest is where I am now and will be for awhile. Now, Seaton is supposed to have SQ like HSU with output and that is probably the way I will go in the future. Right now my cash flow is poor so I'll have to wait a good while before trying the Submersive.

Bill

Originally Posted by bsoko2

The grass in greener . . . this is what leads to upgrading of subs! Hell, I've gone through 5 in the last 2.5 years. Of all that I have had, I would say that HSU has the best in SQ, and both Epik (Conquest) and Ed (dual A7S-450's) with pure output. Conquest is where I am now and will be for awhile. Now, Seaton is supposed to have SQ like HSU with output and that is probably the way I will go in the future. Right now my cash flow is poor so I'll have to wait a good while before trying the Submersive.

Bill