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Originally Posted by Tom Bley View Post

Congrats! I'm Interested in your thoughts whn you get it. What's the volume of the room it's going in?

The room is a dedicated media room 100% Movies ~ 3300 Cu Ft - 18*17 with a dome ceiling. I have also placed an order for the 2nd sentinel (But will not have it untill Dec 15th). Wanted to have enough gap between the 1st and the 2nd to see the difference in dual's.

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post #9902 of 20352
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Originally Posted by Tom Bley View Post

If they told you the 20th you'll probably get an e-mail today or tomorrow to arrange a time to pick them up on the 20th or later. That's nice getting them on a Friday, you'll have the weekend to play.

Yeah this will be a fun weekend. I guess I'll be evicted by Thanksgiving :-). I'm gonna order the AuralexGRAMMA (big subdude) from amazon tonight and since I have Amazon Prime I'll get it by Friday so maybe I can make it through Christmas before the eviction notice... Small Apartments and a Epik sub should be a great .
post #9903 of 20352
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Originally Posted by MasterColin View Post

Yeah this will be a fun weekend. I guess I'll be evicted by Thanksgiving :-). I'm gonna order the AuralexGRAMMA (big subdude) from amazon tonight and since I have Amazon Prime I'll get it by Friday so maybe I can make it through Christmas before the eviction notice... Small Apartments and a Epik sub should be a great .

I rent as well and my rig is REDICULOOOOUSLY loud! Good thing I hold the lease and choose the tenants and remain close friends with the landlords. I literally could never move anywhere else with this setup
post #9904 of 20352
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

There is an Epik Phoenix for sale on audiogon. $800 for pick-up at PA area. That's a spanking good deal.

I know, I snagged it. Anyone using an auralex with theirs?
post #9905 of 20352
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I know, I snagged it. Anyone using an auralex with theirs?

Wow! Good catch!
post #9906 of 20352
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I know, I snagged it. Anyone using an auralex with theirs?

Was it shipped to you? They didn't make a size like the Dragon 20"x20". So, I made one out of foam blocks and 3/4" mdf painted black. It only cost me $15.
post #9907 of 20352
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I know, I snagged it. Anyone using an auralex with theirs?

Beat me to it, my dynasty is mad, he wanted his cousin to come live with him
post #9908 of 20352
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

Was it shipped to you? They didn't make a size like the Dragon 20"x20". So, I made one out of foam blocks and 3/4" mdf painted black. It only cost me $15.

No, I drove to get it. It was 2 hrs one way but well worth it. He was hoping for local pickup which helped my case. He got SEVERAL emails.
post #9909 of 20352
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Originally Posted by mohmony View Post

The room is a dedicated media room 100% Movies ~ 3300 Cu Ft - 18*17 with a dome ceiling. I have also placed an order for the 2nd sentinel (But will not have it untill Dec 15th). Wanted to have enough gap between the 1st and the 2nd to see the difference in dual's.

Two of them should sound really good in that sized room
post #9910 of 20352
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Originally Posted by BleedGreen View Post

I had the same initial impressions when I hooked up my Sentinel. I had an Outlaw LFM-1 EX and it didn't take much to get a lot of output from it. I had the SW setting at -5 dB and kept the gain between 10 & 11 o'clock. The EX was room shaking at 11 o'clock setting. When I got the Sentinel, I hooked it up at the same settings and I was shocked at how there was so much less bass in comparison to the EX. I didn't have REW and an SPL meter or anything else with exception to my own ears. I was underwhelmed too, but I remembered that it took me some time to dial in the EX, so I wasn't worried. After listening to a lot more movies and music, I realized that I had to bring the SW level (0 to +1) on the receiver up and had to set the gain higher (1 o'clock). Also, there was definitely some break-in with my Sentinel. It was very stiff at first and didn't show as much excursion. Now, if I listen to some hip hop and get close and watch it and crank the gain a little higher, I can feel the insides of my ear canals shake. The driver never complains or bottoms out when cranking the gain higher while throwing a lot of bass at it. The only thing I've notice is my lights dim when the gain is set high (3 o'clock) and there's heavy bass thumps. I don't do this very often, but I get a kick out of it every once and a while.

As it stands now, I have my SW setting at +3 dB (it goes against standard convention, but it sounds good) and the gain set at 12 o'clock. Setting the gain too high can cause high amperage peaks, so I prefer to set the SW setting higher and keep the gain at 12. I have BIC Acoustech HT-75's and HT-65 center and they're really efficient, so I feel like I need more bass to match the output of the mids and highs from my mains/center. I have a 20x20x9 great room open to a large breakfast area/kitchen, foyer (open to the 2nd story), and surrounding walkway and I feel that my lone Sentinel is quite adequate and very satisfying. I watched UP on Blu Ray this past weekend at -10 dB from Reference and there was some couch shaking and chest thumping bass during the LFE heavy scenes. There was some great LFE action in Dug's special mission too (rock moving and rocks falling while he's running ahead of the other dogs). Music sounds excellent with the Sentinel and it stops on a dime. I noticed a big difference in SQ when directly comparing the EX. The bass on the EX just hung around a bit longer and didn't seem quite as clear while listening to music. With movies, this wasn't really noticeable with the EX. The EX shook the couch a bit more too, but I think it was due to the down firing driver/ports that seemed to couple more with the subfloor. I had thoughts of getting a GRAMMA with the EX, but I don't feel it's necessary with the Sentinel.

Hope this helps. Just give your Sentinels some time. I personally feel that they have a long break in period and seem to open up more and more as I listen to them. I agree that you should start with one and then try to bring the 2nd one in later and REW and an SPL meter would definitely help you with noise cancellation issues.

I experienced much the same. I picked mine up from Chad's shop about a month and a half ago, and I didn't feel I was getting much out of it. I had already set up an appoint with Jeff fron Accu-Cal(umr) to dial in the sound the first week of November, so I was hoping that would help. After a couple of hours he got the speakers and sub dialed in, and told me to bump the AVR a little for the sub if I wanted a little more "umph" from the sub. It sounds great now, but I do believe they all need a little "breaking-in" time.

My room is 26x16x8 that opens up to a 35x16 kitchen. I know...you maniacs would suggest additional an additional sub or subs, but so far I am satisfied. My wife says one is too much and the 14 year old son says get another. Thanks to all you guys for your thoughts and suggestions. I bought from EPIK because of your positive input and that it is 35 minutes from my house.
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i will agree that they need some break in time. give them a few hard hours and the sound will definitely change.
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Originally Posted by mcjasonb View Post

i will agree that they need some break in time. give them a few hard hours and the sound will definitely change.

is this just the sentinels? or all the epiks?
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Originally Posted by grubadub View Post

is this just the sentinels? or all the epiks?

Happens to the 18" drivers too.
post #9914 of 20352
every driver in the world needs some break in time. it's not that you have to be easy on them at first or anything, but the sound of any speaker will change after a certain number of hours is put on it. it mainly has to do with the suspension on the driver loosening up, meaning both the surround and the spiders.

i used to be heavily into car audio, changing speakers, tweeters and subs like crazy and every single driver i put in my car sounded different as it broke in. all the high end manufacturers of raw drivers will tell you the same thing.

the driver in the Sentinel is one of the stiffest subs i have ever put my hands on. lightly push on the cone and you'll see what i mean. the sub is pretty hard to move.
post #9915 of 20352
All the woofers use the same motor (12" & 18") only the basket & cone are different going from the 12" to 18" driver.
post #9916 of 20352
Ok... well... here we go!

Packaging was EXCELLENT. Plenty of thick molded foam and tucked neatly in a plastic bag. The dog decided that he liked them too.






Here's a single in all its glory with the grill off. Luckily it slides around on the carpet easily because it is very very heavy for its size.


The finish is actually really nice, I was pleasantly surprised. It is more of a matte black and is mostly smooth, the textures are pretty light and are about the size of a grain of sand.


The power plant:


Side-by-Side with the old BIC H100:




The full setup (50" TV for reference):






Grills on:







They are definitely a HUGE step up from the single H100 even with little to no break in. The bass used to literally just disappear when cranking it up and allowing the towers to overpower. NOT ANY MORE. I've had about 3 hours to really allow them to play, and in those few short hours they have noticeably improved in output. In certain locations in the house now, it is absurd. Unfortunately for me, my couch is in the not-so-ideal spot for getting the most output. I've tried several locations and even did the sub crawl and I was unable to find a better location. The problem is my couch is in the middle of the room, and it seems like all the bass is enhanced at any edge of the room regardless of where I put the subs. I still get really good output at the main listening position, but its not quite as good as a few other areas. For instance, I've found a particular spot that is 12dB higher (measured with SPL meter) than at the couch but only at certain frequencies (the deep good ones) but they are also sloppier than at the main listening position so I guess its an ok trade-off, not that I have a choice lol. I still get PLENTY of output at the main listening position.
post #9917 of 20352
Nice setup. Now I really feel like buying another sub (Dynasty). You could get two more and place em at opposite sides of the seating position. Think about it .
post #9918 of 20352
awesome shiba btw hows he react with all that bass?
post #9919 of 20352
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Originally Posted by TnTBigman View Post

Nice setup. Now I really feel like buying another sub (Dynasty). You could get two more and place em at opposite sides of the seating position. Think about it .

The thought of buying two more and stacking them on top of the two i've got had crossed my mind. That would put them at about the same height as the towers lol.

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Originally Posted by bluewaves View Post

awesome shiba btw hows he react with all that bass?

Good eye! He was definitely reacting differently to it than with the old sub. With the old sub he just went about his business as if nothing was happening. As a little test, I popped in war of the worlds to the scene where the lightening first comes down and the droid comes out of the ground, the floor was shaking a bit during the rumbling, which never used to happen, not even close, and he started to act very worried lol.
post #9920 of 20352
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Originally Posted by lilmike2069 View Post

The thought of buying two more and stacking them on top of the two i've got had crossed my mind. That would put them at about the same height as the towers lol.



Good eye! He was definitely reacting differently to it than with the old sub. With the old sub he just went about his business as if nothing was happening. As a little test, I popped in war of the worlds to the scene where the lightening first comes down and the droid comes out of the ground, the floor was shaking a bit during the rumbling, which never used to happen, not even close, and he started to act very worried lol.

The center of a room is the worst place to sit for bass. Anybody remember if the formula for the best bass listening seat is 32% or 68% of the room length?

Bill
post #9921 of 20352
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

The center of a room is the worst place to sit for bass. Anybody remember if the formula for the best bass listening seat is 32% or 68% of the room length?

Bill

38% either from the front or from the back wall.
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lilmike congrats! You took lots of pics. Glad your enjoying them. I'm ready for a movie marathon this weekend....time to unleash hell.
post #9923 of 20352
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

The center of a room is the worst place to sit for bass. Anybody remember if the formula for the best bass listening seat is 32% or 68% of the room length?

Bill

Yea, I found that out lol. If I move the couch any further back I'm going to have a hard time seeing the TV. Its already about 13ft away. Oh well. I still get GREAT output where it is, just not 100% of what I now know it is capable of. In that one little sweet spot I found it was just flooooded with bass. I just couldnt believe how much. It was literally starting to hurt my ears a little after a couple of minutes.... particularly with the deep notes on 'Late Night Tip'.
post #9924 of 20352
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Originally Posted by Tom Bley View Post

lilmike congrats! You took lots of pics. Glad your enjoying them. I'm ready for a movie marathon this weekend....time to unleash hell.

Thanks and me too! I just signed up on Netflix and am awaiting the PS3 disk for the streaming and 12 Rounds on Blu-ray in the mail
post #9925 of 20352
looks great mike!
post #9926 of 20352
I just watched Star Trek and all I can say is wow... Great movie with excellent PQ and audio was amazing. Especially when they go warp drive. I might just have to buy a copy now!
post #9927 of 20352
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

I just watched Star Trek and all I can say is wow... Great movie with excellent PQ and audio was amazing. Especially when they go warp drive. I might just have to buy a copy now!

i saw it in the theater, a cheap theater, but i didn't really like the movie itself. i guess i can put it on my Netflix queue and check it out at home.
post #9928 of 20352
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Originally Posted by lilmike2069 View Post

Yea, I found that out lol. If I move the couch any further back I'm going to have a hard time seeing the TV. Its already about 13ft away. Oh well. I still get GREAT output where it is, just not 100% of what I now know it is capable of. In that one little sweet spot I found it was just flooooded with bass. I just couldnt believe how much. It was literally starting to hurt my ears a little after a couple of minutes.... particularly with the deep notes on 'Late Night Tip'.

My room is 28 ft long so I have my TV 6 ft from the back wall with the sub behind it. My seat is 10 ft from that.

Bill
post #9929 of 20352
Now THAT'S how to show off your system, lilmike2069! Looks great, man. Keep us updated on what you think of the Sentinels.

BTW, while 38% from the front or back wall is the ideal place for seating, if you're smack in the middle now, moving even a foot or two either way might make a pretty substantial difference. It's worth a thought.
post #9930 of 20352
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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

Now THAT'S how to show off your system, lilmike2069! Looks great, man. Keep us updated on what you think of the Sentinels.

BTW, while 38% from the front or back wall is the ideal place for seating, if you're smack in the middle now, moving even a foot or two either way might make a pretty substantial difference. It's worth a thought.

Nice set-up lilmike2069.

I would also experiment the front left and right corner. Middle of the room didn't work out with me but corners did.
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