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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hello all! I was wondering if I could perhaps get some advice on LCD tv's, as until recently I was mostly focusing my search on plasmas.

Allow me to explain my situation:
Approximately one month ago I purchases a Panasonic 42PZ700U TV to take with me when I move to my new apartment this week. I chose that set because of it's abilities to do very deep blacks, the high marks it received from various review sites, and the fact that it is a 1080P set. Once I brought it home and played with it for awhile my father became a bit envious and offered to buy the TV off of me. His reasoning was that I wouldn't need to cart it with me to my apartment so it'd save me the hassle. I agreed, and my original plan was to simply purchase the same set again over amazon this weekend and have it delivered to my apartment.

After speaking to the Panasonic Plasma Concierge service on a whim I became a bit worried, though - I posted about the conversation in the Panasonic Owner's thread in the plasma forum . Long story short I'm very much a heavy gamer and I planned to use my TV primarily for gaming, but the concierge service told me that playing any game for longer than 20 minutes could be potentially damaging to the TV. The replies that I received in that thread were only somewhat helpful as the models referenced all had anti-burn in of some kind, while my set did not. One of the posts advised me to come here for advice, thus hear I am.

Presuming that my worries about burn-in on a Plasma are founded, I figured that LCD would be the way to go. Let me tell you a bit about what I'm looking for:

Budget: $2-2.5K
Screen Size: 42" or 50", though the importance is far more on picture quality than size
Usage: As mentioned above, this will primarily be a gaming tv with frequently long periods of heavy action on screen. As such I need a tv with minimal to no input delay as well as one where ghosting, tearing, and other such LCD issues are not a problem.
Signals: I'll be hooking both 1080P signals up to the set as well as good old 480i/p, depending on if I'm playing next gen games or old school SNES. Because I tend to sit rather close to the tv I think the 1080P is worth the premium in my case.
Cables: I'd like HDMI, Component, RCA, and DVI/VGA if possible. This will not be part of a home theater system, so any nifty features like digital audio out would just be gravy.
Restrictions: I really, really want a TV that displays images well regardless of what resolution the source is at - I don't want my 480i signals looking worse on my new TV than they did on my 9-year old SDTV. The 42PZ700U does an excellent job of this.

What do you guys think? Is that a reasonable set of requests for a LCD TV, or should I be looking at a different technology? Am I right in worrying about using a Plasma TV as my main gaming set? And what sets would you recommend for me to look at?

I really appreciate any advice you can give - I'm kinda lost in the woods right now, and very much worried that I may end up making a very poor purchasing decision without your help.
post #2 of 11
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Bump for the day crowd. As I'm new to the forums, if bumping isn't allowed please feel free to close the thread admins. This would be the only time I'd bump it, anyway.
post #3 of 11
I would suggest the Samsung LN T4665F, cnet's highest rated lcd at this time (although that may change when the new 81 series comes out). If you have that kind of cash though, you might want to just hold off till August/September when the LED backlit models start rolling out. They promise to be a huge advance in lcd technology and black level performance. If I had more $ thats what I'd be looking at.
post #4 of 11
I'm in a similar situation. I'm also moving into a new apt and am looking for a 42-50 inch set primarily for gaming. I am set on getting 1080P and have always leaned towards the Sammy LNT4556. The ONLY thing concerning me is possible motion blur during sports or video games. I love that tv and will probably get it unless the new 71 series are offered at a reasonable price on the big river.

However, recently I started looking at some plasmas and I am considering both the Panasonic you originally had and sold to your dad and the Sammy 5084. I'm awaiting a review on the 5084 from CNET if they ever do one before I purchase it. The only thing concerning me on the plasmas is the burn in. I think the best solution is the 71 series from sammy if they have as good a PQ as the 4556 bc they also have the 120 Hz which will reduce motion blur if it exists. Does anybody know about motion blur on the 4556 and if its a problem at all? What about IR on the sammy 5084? I will probably log hundreds of hours of Halo 3 on it in the next year and will this be a problem? Thanks, and hopefully somebody can be a hero to me and the original poster!
post #5 of 11
I will also be playing literally hundreds of hours of halo3 in the next year or so. Even with the new tech plasmas have developed to combat image retention, I would still go with a good lcd for gaming. The new 81 series promises to be the best of the best as far as lcds are concerned. I'm moving into my college dorm room in a week and had to settle for the significantly less expensive and smaller Samsung LN T375H. Even a 37 inch tv is pushing it in the small confines of a dorm room. If I had the space, and the cash, I would definetely hold off for the new samsungs.
post #6 of 11
it's funny you guys are recommending the Samsung LN-T4665F because that's the one I was going to recommend and buy.
post #7 of 11
I also recommend going w/the Samsung 65 series. I just ordered the 4665 yesterday, will get it next week. I researched HDTVs exhaustively for years (yeah, crazy) before buying. The 65 is well priced and has a ton of inputs/options. The PQ is stunning. With the shiny screen it looks like some kind of Plasma/LCD hybrid.

2 concerns. First, the shiny screen does reflect light. Although not nearly as bad as a plasma when on. If the TV is off it does indeed look like a black mirror. But when on, most of that reflection goes away (unlike a plasma). I compared reflections between the 65 and a Sammy plasma right next to it in BB. When the programming was on I could clearly see my white shirt reflected in the plasma's screen. I could not see my shirt reflected on the 65. A traditional LCD matte finish is still better for attenuating light, but I just couldn't bring myself to buy one after seeing how good the shiny LCD screen looked.

Second concern for me, as w/any LCD, was motion blur. I've not played video games on the 65 yet, but I did see it playing a car race and some golf. I saw no motion blurring on either program (for golf I watched the player's swing). I've also read a few consumer reviews that report that it is great for gaming. But I have not seen video games on the 65 myself, so I can't speak to that yet.

Regarding LED backlights, they might be worth waiting for, the jury is still out. All I know is that you can get a 65 now for substantially less than what an LED will cost this/next year. And, unless they are laggy, you will not be dissapointed in the PQ. The 65 also has a game mode, for what it's worth.
post #8 of 11
samsung service rocks too imo... it's all about in-home service if you're unlucky enough to ever need a bug worked out.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of the advice guys. If the 81F does come out later this month as promised I think I'll go with that.

To the gentleman looking at the 42PZ700U I'll say that I really was quite happy with the TV, and my father is currently having a blast using it as his main PC gaming monitor.
post #10 of 11
I read on the Sony site that the new 120hz motion feature gets disabled when game mode is activated. The TV's aren't true 120hz, they interpolate frames to reduce the perception of blur, and this requires extra processing. I'm wondering if this 120hz motion feature that TV's are advertising isn't an issue when talking about a good signal from an HD game console.
post #11 of 11
Does anybody know if motion blur is seen to any significant degree on the 4556?

And EADGBE, how much better do you think the 71 series will be than the 56? Im not interested in the 81 series bc I want flat panel. Projection sets just do not impress me one bit.
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