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Shoot-Out Onkyo 805 vs Sony ES 5200 vs Marantz SR7001

post #1 of 21
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This will be used to replace a Sony DG1000

Speakers all Boston Bookshelf CR67 (7)
Mirage FRX-8 Sub

Sony A2000 SXRD

HDMI to new AVR
PS3 (games and BluRay)
Toshiba A2 HD-DVD
Apple TV

Component to new AVR
DirecTV HR20


I was really gung-ho on the new Onkyo 805 for having full hdmi 1.3 and great power and style. But I just read that they like the last model run from ONkyo seems to have sound and some video issues with PS3's :-(

So I have added the older Sony ES line model 5200 to mix as I hope it has no issues (since my DG1000 is good to go - just want more power and more HDMI).

I have even thought about going to a high-end (at least in my budget I think its high end - actually I'd be going over budget by a few hundred $$$) Maybe a Marantz SR7001 as it has four HDMI which I like - and the sound is GREAT -- but only hdmi 1.2a and well $300 more then I really wanted to spend BUT if it works I'll do it I guess?


Thank you all in advance...

John
post #2 of 21
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hmmm


I'll be buying the new unit either tomorrow or Tuesday... Please any guidence is welcome :-)




John
post #3 of 21
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Originally Posted by johnner1999 View Post

I was really gung-ho on the new Onkyo 805 for having full hdmi 1.3 and great power and style. But I just read that they like the last model run from ONkyo seems to have sound and some video issues with PS3's :-(

they do? i got my 805 for the last 2 months since the release and have no issues. everything is working great! what type of issues were they talking about?
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by cheezycheech View Post

they do? i got my 805 for the last 2 months since the release and have no issues. everything is working great! what type of issues were they talking about?


Link to Popping

It seems the 805 is hit or miss on this issue. I had two older Onkyo's over the last 12 months; the 804 and 674 - both had issues with humming and video flicker while using my PS3. BUT these were known issues and I don't know ONkyo - in fact I think Onkyo makes the best units for the money which is why Id like to own one :-)


BUT this unit is going to be last (per my wife) so I need to make sure it works well ;-)


I'm leaning towards the Marantz SR7001 for the reason of four HDMI (note only 1.2) and rock stable operation. at least from I have read? BUT its way more money then I really want to spend - way too much.



again thanks

John
post #5 of 21
yeah, no popping here but like you said. it maybe hit or miss. ps3 is 1.3 so i would get a receiver that is capable of taking that hdmi input just in case of handshake issues. just buy one locally and try it out for 30days. you can try to pricematch the 805. return it if it doesn't work out for you. good receiver for under a $1000 bux. i got mine for $800 shipped during the preorders.
post #6 of 21
The amps in the 5200ES are identical to the ones in the DG1000, so you won't get more power with the 5200ES.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

The amps in the 5200ES are identical to the ones in the DG1000, so you won't get more power with the 5200ES.


that is what I thought - but sony lists the 120w on the DG at .7thd and the ES as .09thd.

But what you say does make sence


I guess that throws the 5200ES out of the loop then...


JOhn
post #8 of 21
The Marantz is a fine unit and solid. No scaler though. I'd rate the HDMI swithcing / handling as way strong. Fidelity is way strong as well.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by JOHNnDENVER View Post

The Marantz is a fine unit and solid. No scaler though. I'd rate the HDMI swithcing / handling as way strong. Fidelity is way strong as well.


That is what I was afriad of - LOL


Don't really need the video scaler as I think between my HR20 and TV it will hit my 1080P setting OK. Maybe I'm wrong though.

i may have to wait then... as I can't spend close to $450 more for the Marantz unit...


Thank you
John
post #10 of 21
How about the 3300ES?
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

How about the 3300ES?


from what other have stated the sony seems a bit under powered -- the 3300 is listed as 100 and my older DG1000 is 120w?

it does seem like a good value -- I loved my DG1000 (actually having 2nd thoughts about having sold it....)
post #12 of 21
Sony 5300ES is it
post #13 of 21
What about the Sr6001 from Marantz? Got great reviews and people seem happy with it :-)
post #14 of 21
I'm sure the entire line is fine. It's just when you look at and pickup an SR7001 -vs- the SR6001, there is a percieved large step up to what is more a flagship level piece of equipment. Just seems worth the little bit extra money is all. IMHO but of course.
post #15 of 21
The 7001 is the best sounding receiver I have heard for the money. I have owned Onkyo in the past, and I don't feel they even come close when it comes to sound quality, although they do offer many features. The only receiver I would upgrade from a 7001 would be an Arcam 280. P.S.- The 4001 on up all have incredible sound and MC L-PCM via HDMI.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by reaper12 View Post

What about the Sr6001 from Marantz? Got great reviews and people seem happy with it :-)


If I went with the SR line it would have to be the 7001 as the big reason for me is the extra HDMI (4) which would mean that almost all of my gear would be HDMI - may mean nothing in actual use. But has cool factor and well ease of setup.

I'm about 90% ready to pull the trigger on the Marantz unit... plus it looks sharp (I like the basic front - can't stand a tone of buttons/knobs on the front...



my only "issue" is the whole 1.2 vs 1.3 thing and having a PS3. If the darn Onkyo 805 didn't have the popping noise issues I'd be an Onkyo owner already (its priced right, looks OK, massive weight behind it plus I have used Onkyos in the past and enjoy the warm sound they make)


maybe its time to play heads and tales ;-)
post #17 of 21
Not everyone has popping with the 805... I don't.

Buy from CC or some other place with a good return policy. Then you'll KNOW.
post #18 of 21
I also have a PS3.. Also have an XA2, which are both 1.3. Also, I do not have a 1.3 receiver. I am just curious why some feel it is important to have a 1.3 receiver. Don't current blu-ray and HD DVD players only do onboard decoding and transfer via PCM, regardless if your receiver is 1.3? Also, if the players allowed to send bitstream to 1.3 receivers, wouldn't the sound be exactly the same as PCM via 1.1? Also, in regards to the # of HDMI inputs, you can purchase a 5x1 HDMI switcher for around $75, so while on board HDMI inputs are convenient, I wouldn't necessarily have this be the purchasing factor, as excellent sound quality should be far important, which is exactly what the Marantz gives.
post #19 of 21
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what does the SR7001 do with 1080i or 720p video when input via componenet to HDMI? does it down scale like many ohers to 480p?
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by gunbunnysoulja View Post

I also have a PS3.. Also have an XA2, which are both 1.3. Also, I do not have a 1.3 receiver. I am just curious why some feel it is important to have a 1.3 receiver. Don't current blu-ray and HD DVD players only do onboard decoding and transfer via PCM, regardless if your receiver is 1.3? Also, if the players allowed to send bitstream to 1.3 receivers, wouldn't the sound be exactly the same as PCM via 1.1? Also, in regards to the # of HDMI inputs, you can purchase a 5x1 HDMI switcher for around $75, so while on board HDMI inputs are convenient, I wouldn't necessarily have this be the purchasing factor, as excellent sound quality should be far important, which is exactly what the Marantz gives.

The advantages of 1.3 have ab-so-tutely nothing to do with audio. You get Deep Color if supported and xvycc.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by bykes View Post

The advantages of 1.3 have ab-so-tutely nothing to do with audio. You get Deep Color if supported and xvycc.


i'm feeling more lazy then normal :-) does the Sony A2000 SXRD tv's support 1.3 (deep color?)
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