The "Official" Yamaha RX-V1800/RX-V3800 Thread - Page 6

Hi all,

I am just wondering if anyone knows if the 3800 will upconvert SD to 720p or dose it only do 1080 ?

My projector is 720p and i wanted to output the native res of my projector.

Thanks,
Tim.

Being just a kid i never had time to get into vinyl or CDs, so my entire music collection is SACDs and MP3.

Maibe the Anthem D1 would do a better job, but for now my 7.1 channels analog out from the X-Meridian card work very well for 5.1 encoded stations (3 or shoutcast so far).

It will only do that with analog sources at 480i or 480p. Any HD signal is passed through on analog as well as digital. If you send a 480i signal over HDMI, it will just pass that through as well with no processing.

Component/Composite/S-Video only. No HDMI upconversion.

Hi,
I just received my 1800. Unfortunately, I am not able to connect my DVD players to use upscaling. I connected through component and svideo, but the TV set only displays a green image. A HDMI in to HDMI out works fine though. Anybody knows what could be the problem? I tried different resolutions, but nothing happens.

Chris

ad: I tried also to remove MONITOR CHECK, but in vain. When I select Signal Info-Video, i see at HDMI: HDCP error. The HDMI input cable to HDMI DVD is of course empty as I want to use the component in. Anybody has the same msg there?

I have audio out on the OSD set to other. Still no output on the TV.

Any other thoughts? Should it be this difficult?

I am thinking that with the HDMI 1.3 standard you should be able to run the HDMI in and through the 3800. I know some people had problems early on with this not being allowed by the cable box. How about it?

Look at the audio signal flow in the manual page 22 only audio from a HDMI goes thru to HDMI. All others coaxial or optical only thru optical, and analog only to analog

I have had a problem using this 1400 with my new Yamaha RX-V3800 but I do not know which unit is causing the problem.

I updated my 1400 via the ethernet port, last Thrusday, (update was on the US site but not the Canuck site) as I wanted to get the Dolby Tru HD and DTS Master capability. This was very easy.......took about under a half an hour...just follow the instructions in the Samsung manual.

Then I tried my NIN True HD track on their Blu-ray and it worked perfectly (Tru HD lights up on the Yamaha, must make sure Sammy is set to bitstream though).

Then to check for DTS Master I put in X-Men 3 and it also worked fine and sounded great.

There is however an issue.........when you scan fwd or rev or chapter fwd/rev (only with DD True, DTS Master) there is a slight burst of digital noise for about a half second (spitting sound, un locked onto digital signal). This is very disturbing as I have never had this with a Yamaha product. Every since Yamaha put out their first digital sound capable receivers (RX-V2090 with outboard DD decoder) they have never had digital noise bursts or sounds at all. Yamaha units (unlike some of their competitors) have always muted themselves correctly before they lock on to the digital signal therefore never subjecting their customer or their customers speakers to this noise.

Having said this, I don't know what is causing it......tried different HDMI cables....and have determined that it is not a cable issue. It may be an issue with the Samsung.......I do not have any other units that can feed these new signals to the Yamaha. I am hoping to get the new Panasonic..but this will not be past my 30 return period on my Yamaha.

I don't intend to accept this as a new norm......if I can't find out what is causing this the Yamaha will go back in the next 9 days.

One other this worth mentioning is that when the Sammy 1400 is set to PCM with the X-MEN Blu-ray.........the Sammy decodes DTS-HD (not Master as it can only decode up to DTS-HD) and sends it to the Yamaha as PCM. When I tried scanning and chapter skipping with this signal.......it caused bigger problems with the Yamaha not locking on and picture disturbances etc.

Is anyone else using this set-up? I have informed A&B sound re all of this and they know nothing (all this is too new). I may take my Samsung down to A&B and hook it up to their Denon AVR-3808CI and do some scanning.....they have suggested this. I have contacted Denon Canada about the fact that my Denon 2910 HDMI signal will not work if used with my new Yamaha.....the serivce guy is in Japan but responded promptly......he will send me new firmware when he gets back to Canada...so that is up in the air too.

What is the "spitting sound" you are talking about? Does it sound like a popping or ticking noise from the speakers? Also, are you using the 3800's internal amps or outboard amps?

The reason I ask is that I get this type of noise from every receiver I have tried with a few of the HD and Blue-ray players, including the Yamaha 1800, the Marantz 7002, and the Pioneer Elite 92TXH. There are only a few combo's of new players and receivers that don't give me this noise. I don't get it with a standard DVD player, however. I'm wondering if it is a function of what digital bursts are put out by the new generation players when the audio cuts out and restarts, and how they sync up with the digital input management of the new receivers. No one I've talked to at customer service at some of the DVD player manufacturers or the receiver manufacturers have a clue.

Anyway, I'd be interesetd in hearing more about what it sounds like. Do you also get it when you navigate a DVD menu, such as when are on the main menu and you select special features, or something? For me, that usually stops the sound briefly and I get the same popping or ticking noise.

In any event, all this new technology is very complicated and very finicky -- especially in terms of how the new DVD players coordinate with the new processors -- so I would not be so sure that it is a defective receiver yet.

Kind of a spitting sizzle sound........it is what an undecoded digital signal sounds like without and before it is decoded.

Please note that this is only with DD TRU HD and DTS MASTER and is not an issue with PCM which was recorded as PCM (new Bond Blu-ray for example) or regular DD or DTS encoded dvd's etc.

I am hoping it is the Samsung......I can take it back and don't want it to be the Yamaha because I am a Yamaha guy.....and I don't like the remote with my alternative choice (Denon 3808).

Oh, I got it whenever the DVD player outputs bitstream or over HDMI. I didn't happen when I output PCM from the player over the optical connection.

I'd call Yamaha customer service and ask them about it.

Hi there, I jumped in today to be one of the proud owners of the RX-V3800. Sadly though, it appears to be "DOA". I Plugged it in and not a peaky boo when I powered it up. Before I return it, is there a trick I am missing? I doubt it, but thought I would put it out there.

Many thanks

jason

Here's a wierd one. When I used the auto setup to set up my room with the 1800, it set the "presence speakers" to on, even though I don't have any. When they are on, I get sounds out of my surround back speakers on 5.1 sources, such as Dolby Digital or DTS. When I tell the 1800 that I don't have presence speakers, I can't get any sound out of the back surrounds, even on any of the Cinema DSP modes. That doesn't sound right to me. I'm going to have to all Yamaha and ask for an explanation of this.

EDIT: Note that I am using the Yamaha 1800 pre-outs and outboard amps.

First time you have to use the "master" off-on button? Or did you try the bigger button above the "master" button?

Thankyou oldcband, Yes I tried the Master off/on button and the button above master. Normally when you plug this kind of gear you a hear a power click of some sort. This one seems completely dead. I even tried resetting according to the manual, but, that didn't work either. Seems I will have to take it back

Ok, I think I have this figured out after spending more time with the Yamaha. After reviewing it side by side with Denon and Onkyo, IMO the main difference is how organic and natural the Yamaha sound is. The other receivers sound 'high quality', but lack the smooth 'organic' yamaha sound.

Any chance you have the surround speakers connected to the presence speaker terminals?

Thanks Dave for the reply.


Read Dave Vaughn's relpy at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=136


Steve

Still following up my TV thread.

I have found out where the rca cord goes on my tv.

Seeing that I'm using HDMI for the video and I need an analog audio feed, what jack do I plug the other end in (e.g. zone2, zone3, cdr, MD....)?

I just need the 3800 to get me an analog audio signal that matches the video HDMI signal.

Read the manual and cannot find any references.

Thanks in advance.

From what I've read about HDMI - this seems to be the case: if you use HDMI then that is the one and only interface which carries both the audio and video.

The exception seems to be if you are using a DVI to HDMI cable with the DVI end being on your 'source' device. In this case, the HDTV sometimes has a complement of RCA jacks associated with the particular HDMI input and will accept audio over the RCA jacks.

However, if you are using an HDMI-to-HDMI cable from the source to the HDTV, then the audio has to be 'riding' on the same HDMI connection.

But, I'm a bit confused myself.

I have an 1800 on order and plan on using it with a SD DVD player in combination with a Panny 50PZ77u HDTV. [The change to an upscaling DVD and/or HD-DVD will come later when my wallet recovers!]

If I connect the SD DVD to the 1800 via component video and audio via rca- AND I make use of the 1800's nifty transcoding/upconversion over HDMI, will the 1800 also combine the audio on that HDMI interface to the HDTV?

And along the same line of question as the original poster in regards to getting audio to the HDTV - if I elect to stay component out from the 1800 to the HDTV, what connection on the back of the 1800 is used to get audio to the HDTV?

I've looked at pictures on the back of the 1800 and see video out connections to the "monitor" (optical, S-Video, component, composite, and HDMI) - but nothing for audio out to the "monitor".

When watching simple programming like the nightly news out of the cable box, I really don't want to hear the weatherman in 5.1 Surround - I'd prefer the 'old fashioned' way - just from the TV.

Are any of the pre-out audio connections meant for this?

Thanks,
Erik

Does the 3800 support internet updating of its firmware through its ethernet port?
(as the Denon 3808 does?)

I didn't see anything in the manual and Yamaha didn't make an issue of it when my review went to fact check. I don't think that it will do that.

Yamaha does firmware updates a bit differently - at least that's the case with the RX-V1700/2700 and HTR-6090. With those models you simply play a CD (or was it a DVD) in your player and have it set to bitstream (I think). The player recognizes the data stream as firmware and updates itself. Pretty slick approach actually. I may be over simplying a bit (long time since I did this) but you get the general idea. Anyway, there haven't been any firmware updates for the 1800/3800 but I assume it would work the same way on these units.

No, because I'm using the pre-outs and there's only one choice for the back surrounds. In other words, there's not a separate pre-out for the presence speakers, like there is a separate speaker terminal.

Just received my 1800 a day ago, and it's great - except for one big annoyance. I hooked up both my Xbox and Xbox360 to the Yamaha using component cables and a HDMI cable from the Yamaha to my TV. As my TV (plasma) only supports 1024x768 the xboxes are set up to output 720p.

What I've noticed is that when running this configuration the image is noticably more noisy and blurry. When running a component cable from the receiver to the TV everything is peachy.

Are the A/D converters really this bad, or is something wrong with the receiver? I also hooked up a PS3 via HDMI to the receiver, and that looks great on the TV, so it has to be the analog -> digital conversion that messes things up. Also, and this has me stumped, the picture is fine in 480p and 1080i using component -> HDMI. It's only 720p that displays this behavior.

Any ideas?

FYI, in case of any of you using the pre-outs and outboard amps have this problem, the Yamaha folks said that, depending on the room acoustics, the auto setup will sometimes get confused into thinking back surrounds are actually presence speakers, and the possible solution is to run the auto EQ with only 5 speakers hooked up to the pre-outs, and then add the two backs to the pre-outs after the auto setup is done and go into the setup menu and add the two back speakers into the menu. They thought this would do it. I'll have to check and see.

BTW, the guy I spoke to at Yamaha customer service really seemed to know what he was talking about, as opposed to some of the other A/V receiver companies I've contacted.

Just curious...Ive asked this question in the Rz11 thread but since it used DSPHD3 I wasnt sure if it worked on the 1800/3800...

Will they do the Yamaha DSP post-processing to LPCM/TrueHD/DTS-MA? Its great that they will overlay PL2x on top but I was curious to know if the DSP modes work too?

Thanks.

has anyone posted the info on the 1800 vs 3800

I am looking for a new receiver and I'm hoping I can get by with the 1800

The main differences:

The 3800 is 140 watts per channel, 130 for the 1800.
The 3800 has a network interface to use a PC or Internet as a source.
The 3800 has a GUI, the 1800's user interface is text-based.

Forgot one... The 3800 also has a USB port for playing stored audio files (WAV, MP3 and WMA).