So I have now had this 3800 for one and a half week, and I am about to return this unit. I am thinking about getting an Onkyo instead (875 or possibly an 905 if I can get hold of one).
So I thought I should check with you guys, if any of you have come the opposite way
(To a 1800/3800 from Onkyo 875/905).
I realize none of these receivers are perfect, they simply tries to do too much imo, and fails miserably because of this.This is what I do not like on the 3800;
1. As many has pointed out, the volume control is too slow, and if you are not really very close to the unit, you cant really see what the current level is.
2. Black levels, or inability to support RGB levels (0-255) - this is the real deal breaker for me, and people reporting issues with this (thanks!) got me straighened out - I have done so much changes in my homecinema lately, that I did not suspect the 3800 for my poor blacklevels. My source (a tvix) and projector has only DVI (0-255) currently, and while I will fix the projector, so that it will accept true HDMI, I am sure I will have DVI sources which will no have the ability to change from 0-255 for a forseable future.
3. Lipsync adjustment - how can somebody design an adjustment for this, that means that one have to leave the movie, not being able to adjust it while you have a visual? Now it is a lot of guessing back and forth, and you simply dont bother if it somewhere close enough.
4. The remote control is horrible, should anyone really use it. Of course, most of us are probabably not using the remotes that comes with the units anyway.
5. The internet radio is useless where I am, since almost no local radiostation uses mp3. And even if so, the user interface is so slow, that I would probably get crazy if I tried it anyway.
6. Also for playing local music, the user interface isnt good enough - too slow and cumbersome.
7. The whole menu system; too complicated, and I really hate that I have to start up the projector to do the simplest changes. The units display is basically unused, what can be seen there might just as well be substituted with LED indicators (sound fields etc). Also you have to have the remote control to do most things, even if you are standing in front of the unit.
As you can see it is a lot of useability issues, and without any OSD along with the video source (using hdmi), I am feeling kind of blind when doing any changes. I am sure some people can live with these issues, but I am not patient enough. And for the music/internet radio, I was planning to connect my Sonos anyway, so I did not bother too much about this, but I am surprised that Yamaha actually made these functions this poor.
The sound has been good from where I come from - I did not have any "Wow!" experience, but then I did not expect any. I am missing a second HDMI out, but all in all, I think this is a quite bugfree amp. And I choose this one, since I do not need scaling, I simply wanted an amp that could do the new HD sound formats, and switching hdmi while at it.
Now I have to read up on the Onkyo, what downsides those units has..