The "Official" Yamaha RX-V1800/RX-V3800 Thread - Page 8

Originally Posted by Charles R

The question referenced Blu-ray and HD DVD... which titles currently offer xvColor? Have any been announced? Any chance there is a list of AV receivers that support xvColor?

Originally Posted by botzos

I am not talking about Deep Color but rather to xvColor. It is not the same thing. And yes e.g. the PS3 supports both Deep Color and xvColor (or xvYCC). My question was related to the lack of support for xvColor to the RX-V1800 & RX-V3800 and what is the impact of it.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

It's my understanding that "deep color" is the more universal version of 'xvColor'. I think (I could be wrong) that xvColor is Sony's proprietary format for this.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Well I picked up a Yamaha 3800 after having gone through a Sony 5300, Elite 94 and Denon 3808. The Yammy is a keeper!

I was really growing weary of different issues with each of the receivers. The Sony had HDMI switching issues, inconsistent ability to switch to the on-screen GUI from a 1080p input and some trouble with initiating Dolby True HD from an HD DVD player.

The Denon just didn't sound good to my ears although it didn't have the Sony issues. The sound was too thin with a lacking in the low end.

The Pioneer sounded great, but I wound up having lip synch issues with the advanced audio codecs. The problem here is that the lip synch setting on the Pioneer is automatic and can't be adjusted. So it either works or it doesn't and you can't intervene to nudge the delay so that everything looks right. Some people aren't as sensitive to lip synch issues, but when you are, you just want to turn the TV off.

Enter the Yamaha. It works! It sounds superb with tons of low-end output! It does everything it's supposed to and allows all sorts of adjustments many other receivers don't. Even something as simple as a 'trim' adjustment to equalize the volume of all your sources, is missing on most receivers. The Yamaha has it.

The lip-synch adjustment is more sophisticated than any other receiver I've encountered. Very nice! I just wish they would have allowed a unique adjustment for each input. But as LovingHD said above, you can store unique settings in the memory slots and then have your remote do a macro when you switch sources.

I've had a number of Yamahas in the past and I guess in retrospect this should have been my first 'look-see' at a new HDMI switching receiver.

Originally Posted by JKR1963

I have had a problem using this 1400 with my new Yamaha RX-V3800 but I do not know which unit is causing the problem.

I updated my 1400 via the ethernet port, last Thrusday, (update was on the US site but not the Canuck site) as I wanted to get the Dolby Tru HD and DTS Master capability. This was very easy.......took about under a half an hour...just follow the instructions in the Samsung manual.

Then I tried my NIN True HD track on their Blu-ray and it worked perfectly (Tru HD lights up on the Yamaha, must make sure Sammy is set to bitstream though).

Then to check for DTS Master I put in X-Men 3 and it also worked fine and sounded great.

There is however an issue.........when you scan fwd or rev or chapter fwd/rev (only with DD True, DTS Master) there is a slight burst of digital noise for about a half second (spitting sound, un locked onto digital signal). This is very disturbing as I have never had this with a Yamaha product. Every since Yamaha put out their first digital sound capable receivers (RX-V2090 with outboard DD decoder) they have never had digital noise bursts or sounds at all. Yamaha units (unlike some of their competitors) have always muted themselves correctly before they lock on to the digital signal therefore never subjecting their customer or their customers speakers to this noise.

Having said this, I don't know what is causing it......tried different HDMI cables....and have determined that it is not a cable issue. It may be an issue with the Samsung.......I do not have any other units that can feed these new signals to the Yamaha. I am hoping to get the new Panasonic..but this will not be past my 30 return period on my Yamaha.

I don't intend to accept this as a new norm......if I can't find out what is causing this the Yamaha will go back in the next 9 days.

One other this worth mentioning is that when the Sammy 1400 is set to PCM with the X-MEN Blu-ray.........the Sammy decodes DTS-HD (not Master as it can only decode up to DTS-HD) and sends it to the Yamaha as PCM. When I tried scanning and chapter skipping with this signal.......it caused bigger problems with the Yamaha not locking on and picture disturbances etc.

Is anyone else using this set-up? I have informed A&B sound re all of this and they know nothing (all this is too new). I may take my Samsung down to A&B and hook it up to their Denon AVR-3808CI and do some scanning.....they have suggested this. I have contacted Denon Canada about the fact that my Denon 2910 HDMI signal will not work if used with my new Yamaha.....the serivce guy is in Japan but responded promptly......he will send me new firmware when he gets back to Canada...so that is up in the air too.

Originally Posted by ggunnell

Page 82 of the manual
In the GUI, select 'Manual Setup', then 'Input Select', then your input, then 'Volume Trim'

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

The Yammy is a keeper!


I've had a number of Yamahas in the past and I guess in retrospect this should have been my first 'look-see' at a new HDMI switching receiver.

Originally Posted by JKR1963

I have just installed a new Sony 500 model Blu-ray and have tested it's TRu HD bitstream out to my Yamaha 3800. It is doing the same thing as the Samsung 1400. This 3800 is going back ............as this problem is interable and now I am 100% sure that it is a Yamaha issue.

I have also let Yamaha Canada know about the issue. See my e-mail to them:

Hi ___________,

I have just tried a second Blu-ray player (the new Sony 500) with my RX-V3800 and am getting the same problem as with the Samsung 1400.

I am getting short bursts of 1 second or so of digital noise ...when using chapter skip, fwd or rev or when scanning fwd or rev. This occurs right after the scan or chapter skip........for some reason the receiver is not muting itself until it locks on.

This problem is only when an actual Dolby Tru HD track or DTS Master track is selected and sent as bitstream to the 3800 to decode. I was able to try The Fifth Element Tru HD track and the Nine Inch Nails Tru HD track on both the Samsung and the Sony....same result. I was able to try the DTS Master track (sent as bitstream) only with the Samsung as the Sony will not bitstream DTS Master.

The 3800 also has the same noise problem and failure to mute itself when either of the Blu-ray machines decodes the DTS HD (one step below DTS Master) internally and sends the PCM signal via HDMI to the 3800.

I am going to have to take this receiver back to A&B sound as this is intollerable and may damage my speakers....I was not expecting this of a Yamaha unit.

Just thought I would let you know.

Originally Posted by JKR1963

....I was not expecting this of a Yamaha unit.

Originally Posted by JKR1963

The 3800 also has the same noise problem and failure to mute itself when either of the Blu-ray machines decodes the DTS HD (one step below DTS Master) internally and sends the PCM signal via HDMI to the 3800.

Originally Posted by mrtaber

OK, I'm thiiiis close to pulling the trigger on either an 1800 or the 3800. My question is: all the websites mention the HDMI 1.3a support, with deep color and 1080p/24hz and 120hz support. However, when I downloaded the user manual, it only mentioned 60hz? Am I confusing myself?

I have a Toshiba A35--will it pass through the 1080p/24hz signal over hdmi to my Sony Bravia sxrd television (that supports both 24hz and 120hz)?

Glad I found this thread. I've always been a Yammie man, except for the past few years. Feels good to be coming home.

Thanks,
Mark

Originally Posted by Charles R

This is interesting. My understanding is PCM is PCM... how could the receiver treat this codec differently than others?

Originally Posted by JKR1963

But what I am saying is true, I must have got lucky and got a rare bird.

Originally Posted by GraphicsXB

Ok, I think I have this figured out after spending more time with the Yamaha. After reviewing it side by side with Denon and Onkyo, IMO the main difference is how organic and natural the Yamaha sound is. The other receivers sound 'high quality', but lack the smooth 'organic' yamaha sound.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

For you guys with the 3800, how are you finding lip synch with the advanced audio codecs like Dolby True HD. I know the Yamaha has an auto lip synch as well as a manual adjustment. Are these on a per input basis or is this universal?

Originally Posted by mikedj

Early in this thread there was an issue on passing audio from a Toshiba A35 HD DVD player. Has anyone else ran into that problem? Has Toshiba or Yammy verified it? Are firmware releases going to fix it?

3800 is on the way, almost ready to pull trigger on the A35. But don't want the A35 if I've got to go PCM.

Originally Posted by botzos

Hello all.

According to the RX-V 3800/1800 specs these do not support xvYCC (or xvColor). That means, according to my understanding, that if your source and projector support it then you will not be able to "see" this new format (supposing of course that you connect your Blue ray player or HD-DVD to your projector or TV through your AV). Please comment.

Originally Posted by Wazzey

when you guys use your PS3 on blueray movies, does the receiver display the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD when you use these in the movie options? Or does it just have the PCM or DTS displayed because the player is decoding it?

Originally Posted by JKR1963

I have just installed a new Sony 500 model Blu-ray and have tested it's TRu HD bitstream out to my Yamaha 3800. It is doing the same thing as the Samsung 1400. This 3800 is going back ............as this problem is interable and now I am 100% sure that it is a Yamaha issue.

I have also let Yamaha Canada know about the issue. See my e-mail to them:

Hi ___________,

I have just tried a second Blu-ray player (the new Sony 500) with my RX-V3800 and am getting the same problem as with the Samsung 1400.

I am getting short bursts of 1 second or so of digital noise ...when using chapter skip, fwd or rev or when scanning fwd or rev. This occurs right after the scan or chapter skip........for some reason the receiver is not muting itself until it locks on.

This problem is only when an actual Dolby Tru HD track or DTS Master track is selected and sent as bitstream to the 3800 to decode. I was able to try The Fifth Element Tru HD track and the Nine Inch Nails Tru HD track on both the Samsung and the Sony....same result. I was able to try the DTS Master track (sent as bitstream) only with the Samsung as the Sony will not bitstream DTS Master.

The 3800 also has the same noise problem and failure to mute itself when either of the Blu-ray machines decodes the DTS HD (one step below DTS Master) internally and sends the PCM signal via HDMI to the 3800.

I am going to have to take this receiver back to A&B sound as this is intollerable and may damage my speakers....I was not expecting this of a Yamaha unit.

Just thought I would let you know.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

It's my understanding that "deep color" is the more universal version of 'xvColor'. I think (I could be wrong) that xvColor is Sony's proprietary format for this. As we all know, Sony never goes on the bandwagon, everything is 'proprietary'. So with that said, if this type of enhancement ever comes to fruition, it may be more likely that it will be 'deep color', which is supported by the Yamahas.

Originally Posted by bboncorr1

it does not display DTSHD or truhd when playing it from a ps3. while sony claimed the ps3 was 1.3 it really was not. sony almost lied to it's customers about that spec. see they later explained just because it says 1.3 does not mean it needs to support 1.3 features.

i was fairly upset when i found this out because i hoped my ps3 could be a bd player for that room now i'm already thinking upgrade and i just bought the samsung 1400 for my other room. maybe a multi format disk for my game room is next.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

If you watch movies or TV, the impact is zero. There are no movies or broadcasts with 'xvColor' and none have been announced or even contemplated according to any press-releases. The reason your PS3 supports it, is that a PS3 is a Sony. This is why you won't find this kind of support on almost anything 'non-Sony'.

Frankly I don't even know how much of an improvement there is with either 'xvColor' or 'deep color'. The only time I saw xvColor was on a Sony camcorder attached to a Sony display that supported it. I had a very hard time seeing much, if any, difference.

Bottom line? Don't worry about it.