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post #241 of 8633
Ray,

As long as the SD channels from your Dish box are outputted at 480i or 480p, the Yamaha will upconvert them to either 1080i, 720p or 1080p (whichever resolution you want). If you send the signal out over HDMI or DVI, then it will just pass them through with no "conversion" taking place.
post #242 of 8633
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Originally Posted by oldcband View Post


Does that mean "I told you so".
post #243 of 8633
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

I have just installed a new Sony 500 model Blu-ray and have tested it's TRu HD bitstream out to my Yamaha 3800. It is doing the same thing as the Samsung 1400. This 3800 is going back ............as this problem is interable and now I am 100% sure that it is a Yamaha issue.

I have also let Yamaha Canada know about the issue. See my e-mail to them:

I have heard this same issue, but not nearly as bad as you describe. When doing Chapter Skip, there is a VERY brief (perhaps 1/4 second) sound that is dependent upon the sound of that chapter's beginning. In other words, if a chapter begins relatively quietly, there is almost nothing to be heard. If a chapter starts out with a fairly loud noise, then you do hear a very brief (again, about 1/4 second) sound. I wouldn't call it very loud, but you certainly can hear it. Since many chapters don't begin with something loud, you don't hear anything on many of these chapters.

For me it's not a biggie, certainly after coming off of so many other issues with other HDMI-based receivers. I'd bet there will be a firmware upgrade for this. On the other hand I tend to watch most movies straight through, so for me this would be a non-issue in the vast majority of situations.
post #244 of 8633
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Anyone else getting clicking/slight popping sounds from their 1800/3800 when using High Bit Rate mode with their XA2 and listening to TrueHD? Its not too annoying because it happens only when skipping chapters or unpausing, but nonetheless it is a tad bothersome.

I think this is the same issue that jkr described and I've experienced. It only happens with Dolby True HD and while skipping chapters.
post #245 of 8633
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I think this is the same issue that jkr described and I've experienced. It only happens with Dolby True HD and while skipping chapters.


I have the 5TH Element Blu in my Sony right now and the short burst of sound (Tru HD) can be loud enought to damage speakers if I am listening at a louder volume. With the Sony 500 I can easily toggle to the PCM track...and test chapter skip, scan...etc......no untoward noise at all. Have you tried DTS Master? Some of these sounds are up to a second or more until the Yamaha locks onto the signal........at a higher volume it is not nice at all....moving around the disc at the same volume with the PCM track causes no issues at all.

This is a bummer....
post #246 of 8633
I'm budgeting out the AC Power connections for my HT set up via a dedicated 20 amp circuit I had put in my house when we moved in.

I'm looking at all the AC power requirements for the different components I've got in my set up and was wondering about the V1800.

The on-line specs say that it consumes a *whopping* 1100 watts!!

I'm wondering if that is inclusive of the two ac outlets on the back of the unit.

Assuming I choose not to connect any other components to these power outlets, is the power consumption of the V1800 a more moderate amount?

I'm using a Audio Power Industries "Power Wedge" AC conditioner for my components and plan on directly connecting them to this unit for the power.

But the 1100 watts of the V1800 is a hefty bite out of the overall power budget.

Thanks,
Erik
post #247 of 8633
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Originally Posted by botzos View Post

From where do you have this info? PS3 supports all HDMI 1.3 features except DTS-HD.

a sony rep. made a statment not long after the ps3 was found not to contain certain 1.3 features. remember the ps3 was launched long before hdmi 1.3 specs were finalized. i'm not just randomly posting this i clearly remember reading about this and thinking how horriable a company can be for promoting such a feature then secretly saying 1.3 is what they want it to be even if it's not within their own specs.
post #248 of 8633
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

I have the 5TH Element Blu in my Sony right now and the short burst of sound (Tru HD) can be loud enought to damage speakers if I am listening at a louder volume. With the Sony 500 I can easily toggle to the PCM track...and test chapter skip, scan...etc......no untoward noise at all. Have you tried DTS Master? Some of these sounds are up to a second or more until the Yamaha locks onto the signal........at a higher volume it is not nice at all....moving around the disc at the same volume with the PCM track causes no issues at all.

This is a bummer....

I haven't listened to a DTS Master track yet. I tend not to listen at very high levels since my wife hates it when it's really loud. I also tend not to track hop and I watch from start to finish. But as I said before, for me at least this is not as bad an issue as the many I've experienced with the other HDMI receivers I've tried. I really think that this is simple enough for a firmware fix to address. In the meantime you can turn down the volume while chapter hopping. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it is a temporary solution.
post #249 of 8633
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Originally Posted by corrales_avs View Post

Hello all,

I have a simple question that is the result of a recent upgrade that I just completed.

My TV is a JVC D-ila (non 1080p) and I had an old Denon DVD player (DVM1800 - non progressive player) that was acting up and so I recently purchased a new Toshiba A3 player.

I could not be happier with the results of the new player. The HD DVD movies look great when sent to my TV in 1080i but I am most happy with the upconversion of my older DVDs (non HD), they too look great when sent to my TV in 1080i.

As a result of all this, I am now wondering if I should replace my older Denon receiver (AVR3300) with the Yamaha V1800 in the hopes that it will upconvert the non HD channels from DishNet?

I am slightly concerned because I see several descriptions of AVRs that state something like "analog sources" can be upconverted to 1080i.

I believe that the dishnet 622 DVR output is a digital source.

What do you think? Will the V1800 improve the non HD dishnet signals as spectacularily as the A3 did for my DVDs?

Thanks,

Ray in Corrales

TV: JVC HD-61Z585
Satellite: Dishnet 622 DVR (with added HD channels)
Receiver: Denon AVR-3300
DVD Player: Toshiba A3
5.1 Surround: 5 NHT-SB3s with SW12 sub

your tv already upconverts the sd and most likely will do a better job then the 1800. it seems this gen of yamaha is all about sound over video. i set my rx-v3800 to passthrough because my tv's scaler is so dam good. the A3 has a very well respected scaler and i seriously doubt you will get the same results with this yamaha reciever. remember dvd's are direct sources and will always look better so upconverters has a better chance to upscale the picture.

if your not interested in a better sounding reciever or more HDMI inputs then upgrading to the yamaha might not be worth it.
post #250 of 8633
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I haven't listened to a DTS Master track yet. I tend not to listen at very high levels since my wife hates it when it's really loud. I also tend not to track hop and I watch from start to finish. But as I said before, for me at least this is not as bad an issue as the many I've experienced with the other HDMI receivers I've tried. I really think that this is simple enough for a firmware fix to address. In the meantime you can turn down the volume while chapter hopping. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it is a temporary solution.

I know people seem to be making to much of this issue compared to many other recievers out there. dealing with singal dropouts (onkyo) and recievers just not working (denon). i have listened to DTSMA and Dolby TRUHD and have not heard that noise once. if someone is having issues with the samsung 1400 then i suggest giving the firware update to it because that player has more bugs then windows vista. my 1400 would not play many disks and had audio issues until i gave the firware update and even now im not able to play some movies (die hard, the new one, ps3 played it though but no dtsma of course)
post #251 of 8633
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Does that mean "I told you so".

LOL No I've been through rodeo's before and Yamaha is yet to deliver a bad experience. I just stuck with what has worked for me in the past. The only concern I had with Yamaha was last years had reports of HDMI problems with certain cable boxes. So I asked around and nobody was having this issue with the 1800/3800.

My only mistake I should have bought the 3800 for a few bills more. But I didn't and I'm happy so far with the 1800. Yamaha seems to make reliable receivers and I'm not going to change any time soon. Hope this one works for you!
post #252 of 8633
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Originally Posted by Erik Tracy View Post

I'm budgeting out the AC Power connections for my HT set up via a dedicated 20 amp circuit I had put in my house when we moved in.

I'm looking at all the AC power requirements for the different components I've got in my set up and was wondering about the V1800.

The on-line specs say that it consumes a *whopping* 1100 watts!!

I'm wondering if that is inclusive of the two ac outlets on the back of the unit.

Assuming I choose not to connect any other components to these power outlets, is the power consumption of the V1800 a more moderate amount?

I'm using a Audio Power Industries "Power Wedge" AC conditioner for my components and plan on directly connecting them to this unit for the power.

But the 1100 watts of the V1800 is a hefty bite out of the overall power budget.

Thanks,
Erik

I can't imagine that the 1100 watts includes the accessory outlets on the back (these are rated at 100 watts apiece). Thing is, though... in order to pull the full 1100 watts from the AC line, you'll have to have all 7 amplifiers maxed out, and I doubt that would ever happen except for very brief moments during intense soundtracks, and even then you'd be driving things pretty hard. All that power is for headroom more than anything.

I sure wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're doing something weird, a 20 amp circuit is probably overkill for your whole system.

I run my 1800 a little above "theater" levels all the time with a 32" CRT TV, 250 watt subwoofer, and all the other junk that goes with it all on a 15 amp circuit. Never had a problem.

It'd be fun to measure it, but I'd be surprised if the Yamaha ever pulls much more than 4-5 amps off the AC mains. 1100 watts is almost 10 amps at 120V. At idle (volume all the way down), it's surely under an amp or two. The power consumption is directly related to how hard you drive the amplifiers (plus a little overhead for the display, onboard computer and other circuitry). It won't draw 1100 watts just by virtue of being powered up.
post #253 of 8633
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Originally Posted by Erik Tracy View Post

I'm budgeting out the AC Power connections for my HT set up via a dedicated 20 amp circuit I had put in my house when we moved in.

I'm looking at all the AC power requirements for the different components I've got in my set up and was wondering about the V1800.

The on-line specs say that it consumes a *whopping* 1100 watts!!

I'm wondering if that is inclusive of the two ac outlets on the back of the unit.

Assuming I choose not to connect any other components to these power outlets, is the power consumption of the V1800 a more moderate amount?

I'm using a Audio Power Industries "Power Wedge" AC conditioner for my components and plan on directly connecting them to this unit for the power.

But the 1100 watts of the V1800 is a hefty bite out of the overall power budget.

Thanks,
Erik

Where did you see this 1100 watts ? The power consumption of the 3800 , according to the specs on the user manual, is only 500 watts. Why would the 1800 consume more than double ?

Sergio
post #254 of 8633
I checked the 1800 specs, online user manual. The power consumption is the same as the 3800 : 500 watts.

Sergio
post #255 of 8633
Hi Folks,
Just tried using my 2nd 1800 with no luck. Been getting video noise from the 1800. I would suggest you guys look for this problem... it's prominent in the upper letterbox area. In dark scenes, it's more obvious. If I pause the DVD when the screen is completely dark, the patterns are present and in motion. Direct connect DVD to TV - the darks are completely solid - no noise.

Equipment = RX-V1800 and Sony XBR4 52" via HDMI. Belkin power conditioner. Toshiba DVD player.

Tried: 2 different RX-V1800, various HDMI cables, 3 DVD players, bypassing Belkin conditioner, various DVDs. I'm exhausted.

A good movie to try to see this would be Star Wars before the 20th Century Fox logo comes up. Is your screen a completely flat black? Or do you see patterns on the screen? I'm relunctantly returning the 1800... not sure what to do now.
post #256 of 8633
alright guys.....this is my 1st post....I'm sure that this has already been beat to death but I am just trying to get my ps3 to output dolby truehd to my rx-v1800 and have it decode it. I have switched the ps3 to hdmi output and the audio out to bitstream.....and the amp is on hdmi input....but all it will display is dd....and ddthd is selected on the osd menu for the dvd.....does the ps3 not really output ddthd via hdmi or am I just still missing something?
post #257 of 8633
The ps3 cannot do bitstream at this time. All the decoding is done internal then send out as pcm. Go to audio set up menu in ps3 change to lpcm to get truehd thru hdmi.
post #258 of 8633
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Originally Posted by oldcband View Post

LOL Yamaha seems to make reliable receivers and I'm not going to change any time soon. Hope this one works for you!

Yup. So far so great! My only issue is that of the very brief noise while chapter skipping while playing the advanced audio codecs. If this is the only issue, I'm in very good shape! The sound quality is very much the equal of the Pioneer 94 which sounded great.
post #259 of 8633
Just wanted to add my experience to anyone who might be having HDMI issues with their RX-V1800.

I just spent most of my afternoon clearing out my equipment closet, replacing my receiver, and setting up my new HD-DVD player. My primary reason for replacing my receiver was to add some inputs, and simplify (everything that I can over HDMI, remove the need to switch my projector off the HDMI input).

Here's a little backstory first. I have a fairly old HDMI cable run (3+ years). I ran what I could to my projector when my house was being built, but it was very expensive at the time. I believe I purchased the 50'+ cable from Blue Jeans Cable. Everything worked OK until I replaced the video card on my HTPC. I got 'sparklies' over the HDMI, and everything I read indicated my signal needed boosting. I ended up buying a Geffen HDMI booster and everything cleared up.

Today I installed my RX-V1800 and I could only get 480p to my Infocus 7205 projector. Everything else would show a blank screen, or my projector would continuously try to sync. Long story short, I ended up removing the Geffen HDMI booster and everything is 100%. Checked for my previous signal strength issues, none found.
post #260 of 8633
so it will be truhd but will just display on my yammy as pcm signal.....
post #261 of 8633
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Where did you see this 1100 watts ? The power consumption of the 3800 , according to the specs on the user manual, is only 500 watts. Why would the 1800 consume more than double ?

Sergio

I googled the specs on the 1800 and the first site up was cnet:
http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers...-32565874.html

Scroll to the bottom and you'll see they listed the operational power consumption at 1100 watts.

If that was true, you could watch movies, listen to cds, and heat your home, pool, and make coffee!

If the actual manual only says 500 watts, then I'm much less concerned.

Thanks,
Erik
post #262 of 8633
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I think this is the same issue that jkr described and I've experienced. It only happens with Dolby True HD and while skipping chapters.

IIRC it also happens when unpausing. Ironically it was reports of this in the Onkyo 805 thread that steered me away from it and toward the RXV-1800. At any rate I have no regrets as I've had Yamaha for several years now and am really enjoying the 1800.
post #263 of 8633
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Originally Posted by smitty View Post

Is anybody using the 1800 or the 3800 as a pre-pro in a 7.1 setup? I cannot get sound out of my back surrounds with any of the DSP modes. When I first setup the unit, the Auto Setup read my back surrounds as presence speakers. Thus, I could only get sound out of the back surrounds if I manually turned the presence speakers on.

I contacted Yamaha, and they said the Auto Setup might be misreading the back surrounds due to room acoustics. The said to set up the system through Auto Setup using only 5.1, and then add the two back surrounds after the Auto Setup was done, and manually adjust them.

I did this, but and the test tones circulate through all 7 spekaers, but none of the DSP modes send anything to the back surrounds.

Is anybody else using the 1800 or 3800 as a pre-pro in a 7.1 setup successfully? Any ideas?
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P.S. The receiver is not set on "Straight," or whatever causes it to jsut pass through the 5.1 signal. It is set on "Effect," and the DSP modes light up in the display, but they don't show any back channels.

Bump. Am I the only one using the 1800/3800 pre-outs in a 7.1 setup?
post #264 of 8633
Why should i buy the Yamaha rv-1800 over onkyo 805
which are the pros and cons;

thanks
post #265 of 8633
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Originally Posted by Erik Tracy View Post

I googled the specs on the 1800 and the first site up was cnet:
http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers...-32565874.html

Scroll to the bottom and you'll see they listed the operational power consumption at 1100 watts.

If that was true, you could watch movies, listen to cds, and heat your home, pool, and make coffee!

If the actual manual only says 500 watts, then I'm much less concerned.

Thanks,
Erik

The manual (PDF and print) lists power consumption at 500 watts and maximum power consumption at 1100 watts (general model). Same specs for the 1800 and 3800.

In order for the 1800 to generate 910 watts of power output with 500 watts input, it would have to be manufacturing it's own power.
post #266 of 8633
I recently went with the 3800 and have been working on dialing in the sound. I have a question on YPAO.

When doing the auto setup the manual says to set the crossover frequency control on the sub to max. The picture calls it "Crossover High Cut." My sub (M&K) has a "Low Pass Filter." I'm sure this is the same thing but just wanted to make sure. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also, once YPAO has done its thing, do you look up what the crossover rate suggested and then go back to your sub and set the control the same? The instruction manual doesn't say anything about doing that so I was wondering if they mean to leave it at Max.
post #267 of 8633
Leave it at max. The 3800 will handle the crossover for you.
post #268 of 8633
Turned up the 1800 to +10 while watching the beginning scene of The Two Towers in 6.1 DTS EX last night and overloaded it... well I assume I overloaded it because it shut down. Shouldn't it be able to handle this or am I stupid to turn it up that loud. Its not even maxed out at +10. ??
post #269 of 8633
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Originally Posted by yiannakas View Post

Why should i buy the Yamaha rv-1800 over onkyo 805
which are the pros and cons;

thanks

I would suggesting finding the Onkyo 805 owners thread and reading through it. That's what I did, and although it took a few days of on and off reading, I got enough info to steer me toward the RX-V1800 which I purchased and am very happy with. YMMV.
post #270 of 8633
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Originally Posted by yiannakas View Post

Why should i buy the Yamaha rv-1800 over onkyo 805
which are the pros and cons;

thanks

I was considering this once. Personally, I would choose the 1800, although lots of folks seem to like their 805. In any event, the Onkyo seems to have some lip sync issues, which I have not seen on the 1800 I am demoing.. Yamaha makes very durable, long-lasting, good quality products, IMO, and the sound is very good. Finally, I went in to look at one of the 805's one day at CC with the thought of perhaps taking one home. The top of it was so hot you could not keep your hand on it for more than 2 seconds. it was really hot. Maybe that's not an issue, but I sure didn't like it.
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