The "Official" Yamaha RX-V1800/RX-V3800 Thread - Page 274

My nVidia card can do the same 3D play on any programming from that HTPC and it came with glasses, so I'd bet it is the same 3D effect the 3800 can pass. PowerDVD 11 switched to 3D mode gives me any DVD or Blu Ray disk in 3D.

I used it a few times, got sick from it, and have not used it again.

If thats whats happening on my end its sweet, it looked great and in full HD. But again, while yes, my TV does convert 2D to 3D, it didn't ask me if I want to convert the 2D image. It gave a message that said "3D signal detected" and asked if I wanted to wafch the rest of the movie in 3D. To me thats especially strange considering its not a 3D disc.

After 3 years of heavy use, my 1800 has lost the ability to input anything but two channel over HDMI. I have 3 different HDMI sources and they all display only L/R 2 channel inputs. The optical inputs appear to work fine.

Maybe try a Factory Reset? Reload the FW? Turn off the HDMI monitor check? Certain it is not source device settings? Probably not over three different devices.

My HD cable box DVR has an issue where it loses the ability to send DD 5.1 about once a month. I just go into the box's audio settings reselect DD 5.1 (even though it shows DD 5.1 is currently selected), works fine again. Point being, I'd at least try the audio settings of the source devices, maybe your 1800's HDMI board is incorrectly telling those devices it can only handle 2.0? Kinda like the HDMI monitor check?

Anyway, that sucks, just trying to think of anything to get those back to full 5.1 over HDMI for you.

Thank you for the suggestion Toby. I did a factory reset and it still reported only 2 channel. I then turned the 1800 off and on again and it is now showing 5.1.
I believe the problem started when I switched from TWC to Directv.

Trying to program a Harmony Remote to go to radio presets. Need discrete command for "A" for the category and then "1", "2" etc for the preset.

Any ideas? Anyone done this?

I found presets for the RX-V3800 but none for the 1800. Trying "Preset1", etc., now. Not sure how it would know which category, etc., however.

For the 3800 the program "Presetx" will take it directly to a preset BUT only the ones from the currently selected category.

So if you go to FM and the tuner is set to Category A and select Preset1 you go to the memorized Preset1 for Category A. If the tuner is set to category B and hit preset1 you go to the memorized preset1 for Category B.

So far I've found nothing other then the cycle through category command. No discrete code for each category.

Same with the 1700's command Tuner1. Why logitech called it Tuner1 for the 1700's and preset1 for the 3800 is beyond me.

I'll try this weekend to see if I can give it a whirl on my 1800. I'm beating we can make it work if we add a sequence.

Might be able to do sequence and enter station numbers instead of presets. I am helping a friend with this project so I don't have the 1800 sitting here to play with. How do you manually enter a radio station via remote and then how would you do the same for Zone 2 and Zone 3?

Based on the manual it only shows using the arrow keys on the front panel to cycle to stations manually.

For XM seems you can enter a station number using the number keys. But no instructions regarding FM mode.

I got 3D video, but no audio -- OSD constantly flipping back/forth between PCM and PLII (PLII is default when no audio is detected).

This is with Tron on a PS3. I am using YpBr mode (not RGB), and all extensions like Deep Color disabled. I also tried it with and without 24p (though I think the PS3 does 24p for 3D always). On the Amp I set to No Processing, disabling all controls on HDMI up conversion.

I have audio set to PCM and did not try switching to DTS-MA/DD-THD.

OTOH, the game Motorstorm 3D Rift worked.

What settings did you use? What firmware do you have?

This is a big question because both PS3 and Amp settings are important! But if you share them, maybe we can get a consistent answer for 3D Blu-ray!

-Pie

Pie,

The RX-V3800 is set to "THROUGH" on it's HDMI and my PS3 is set to 1080p/24hz "ON". I have all other processing set to off on the PS3 with super white "ON" and deep color "OFF", since I have a newer PS3 slim I have "BITSTREAM" selected which works perfectly. About two weeks ago I updated the 3800's firmware with the latest firmware available from Yamaha's website, I don't remember the exact firmware version number but it's the 2009 version that on their site. That firmware was released two years ago but I just got around to doing the update. I had no problems during the update, it took about a half hour in total. My PS3 is also running the latest firmware as well. I haven't had any issues with the sound switching back and forth or anything like that.

I haven't tried an actual 3D movie yet though, only MLB '11 The Show which is 3D but it's 3D at 720p, not 1080p so someone suggested that may be why it worked.

I also had a somewhat crazy experience a few weeks ago involving 3D on blu-ray. I was watching Iron Man 2 on Blu-ray and about twenty minutes into the movie I got a message that said "A 3D SIGNAL HAS BEEN DETECTED, IF YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWITCH TO 3D PRESS THE 3D BUTTON ON YOUR REMOTE"? That message was from my TV (Panasonic TC-P55VT30 1080p/24hz 3D plasma) not the PS3. I pressed the 3D button and sure enough, Iron Man 2 continued straight through to the end from that point in great looking 3D without any audio or video problems. I can't figure out how the heck that happened or why it all worked so well with my theoretically non-3D AVR. My blu-ray copy of Iron Man 2 is not a 3D disc so I have no idea how that happened, why it worked or if it'll happen again on that blu-ray or any others.

As of yet it hasn't happened on any other Blu-ray and I haven't tried Iron Man 2 again to see if it occurrs a second time. Not only did I actually enjoy the movie even more in 3D but I didn't have any problems or issues with the video or audio. Everything worked like it should and the movie looked and sounded fantastic.

You may be having issues because the disc you're using is an actual 1080p 3D disc while mine was merely a standard blu-ray for Iron Man 2 and a lower resolution (720p) video game and neither are as what someone else (sorry I don't remember the member's handle) on this forum called "FRAME PACKED" meaning each eye is getting a 1080p 3D picture through the glasses.

Hope that helps...

Oh, I hadn't realized your Blu-ray was 720p. I'm sure that's the issue then. Bummer.

I got Motorstorm 3D Rim to work with audio, and that is also a 720p game.

Tron, like any movie Blu-ray, is frame packed 1080p.

The only solution is an dual-output with audio-only HDMI Blu-ray player.

The 3D signal is passed by the 3800 fine, but the receiver cannot decode the audio from the channel. So even a splitter will not work. It needs to be something that sends only audio. (Unless there's a splitter that strips video.)

Or maybe we can bug Yamaha into releasing another firmware update... right.

-Pie

They wouldn't if they could, and I doubt they could if they wanted too. The HDMI hardware cannot be updated by firmware.

Well see, thats the thing, yes my video game was 720p but my NON-3D blu-ray of Iron Man 2 is 1080p and both HD audio and 1080p video passed thru the receiver without any problems in 3D. When I played the 3D capable video game I got an on screen message that said "resolution is set at 720p for best performance" but when I watched Iron Man 2 I got no such message. The only message I did get was one that said "a 3D signal has been detected, if you would like to watch in 3D press the 3D button" which I did. The rest of the movie played in HD 3D without a single hiccup. The movie looked very crisp, detailed and sharp and the 3D effects actually made the movie more enjoyable.

Now, my TV is capable of converting 2D to 3D but I never got any message asking if I'd like to convert the 2D to 3D, somehow (I cannot figure out from where or how the hell it happened) my TV got a 3D signal from a non-3D disc and it worked. I'm as baffled as everyone else I've told this story to. No one seems to be able to come up with a solid answer.

Tell that to the PS3! If the PS3 just needed a F/W update, certainly the even-newer 3800 can take one also.


The thing is, you're not passing a 3D signal through the receiver. Even though your TV thought it was, you still were sending a 2D signal.

The other thing is that the 3800 passes the 3D, but cannot decode the audio. I saw a perfect image, but had no sound.

-Pie

Pretty sure these Yamaha codes work on the 1800.

7A E 0 TUNER PAGE A
7A E 1 TUNER PAGE B
7A E 2 TUNER PAGE C
7A E 3 TUNER PAGE D
7A E 4 TUNER PAGE E
7A E 5 TUNER PRESET 1
7A E 6 TUNER PRESET 2
7A E 7 TUNER PRESET 3
7A E 8 TUNER PRESET 4
7A E 9 TUNER PRESET 5
7A E A TUNER PRESET 6
7A E B TUNER PRESET 7
7A E C TUNER PRESET 8

Can you try those? I can send you the hex if that would help.

The ACTUAL thing is, thats your experience, not mine. I was very clear about the fact that I don't know how it worked given the older spec of the 3800's HDMI but that it worked somehow anyway.

The other ACTUAL thing is my 3800 passed 3D AND HD audio without any issue at all. Whatever issue you're experiencing with the audio is again, your issue.

Completely different architecture. PS3 has an OS and it's added 3D support is software based.

dtc,

Thanks. I'm confused however. What am I trying?

There is nothing like this for the Logitech.

"7A E 0" for TUNER PAGE A

The commands in Logitech's database for "preset1" or "tuner1" work for the stored preset. Just no command to select individual category A-E. Logitech support will add commands if they are in Hex.

JS, you can find all Yamaha IR codes here: http://www.remotecentral.com/ftp/irs...aha-master.zip. It includes standard and extended codes for the 1800 (check both for the tuner codes).

They're given in Yamaha NEC format (like the above example), but the download includes a utility to convert them to the hex format that Logitech can use (or maybe Logitech support already know how to convert them).

Looking at the pdf file now for the 1800. It is as dtc posted. I will contact Logitech and see what they say. I'm thinking they should know how to do the NEC codes. But who knows?

My experience with this kind of thing with my Denon 3808 and adding commands with Logitech is positive as long as I've had all the information. Why Logitech's database for the 1800/3800, and the similar models, does not include the discrete commands is hard to explain. It is a similar issue for things like TV's for which the original Logitech database only had the "cycle" commands for inputs. Made it impossible to create reliable activities to go to an individual input. Did not take long for Logitech to figure that out and include the discrete commands for inputs for display devices.

The current CAT A-E command is the same type of command, it cycles through categories. With a discrete command for each category it is then very easy to create a sequence to go to a particular preset and then also to fill up each category with presets. The sequence is "Category A" then "Preset1" or "Category E" then "Preset 1". You can then make individual custom button commands and go directly to a radio station. The default Denon database had these commands already so I did the same thing for my Harmony One for the Denon and FM stations. Did same for the Denon and internet radio stations. Its all very slick and easy to use that way. Which is why I want a Harmony in the first place.

Logitech may already have the extended code information as well. They won't put it in the default database but will add extended codes if users ask. I've seen them do that before too.

You need to explain what you mean further because this doesn't make sense to me.

Firmware is nothing more than software that's embedded, and the 3800 is running an embedded OS (I don't know which one). But that's even somewhat beside the point. The PS3 received a firmware update that allowed 3D via the exact same HDMI 1.3 that the 3800 has. The PS3 firmware update proves that a similar update to the HDMI 1.3 3800 would allow 3D.

-Pie

Hmmm.... You had full-bandwidth 1080p frame-packed 3D pass to your amp, had the HD audio decoded properly, and you saw a 3D image on your TV?

You said this occurred with Iron Man 2, which is a standard 2D 1080p Blu-ray. The PS3 does not up convert to 3D. Based on this information, there is no way* you were getting a full bandwidth 1080p Frame Packed 3D signal from the PS3 to your amp. I understand that your TV detected a 3D signal, but the far more likely explanation is that there was a glich somewhere in the HDMI chain, or the TV's firmware. It does not mean you really did have full-bandwidth 3D to your amp.

I am not trying to cause offense. I even want to be wrong because I want HDMI audio with 3D from the 3800! I am just looking at what you posted and trying to help explain it in relation to both our experiences. And since we have the same Amp, with the same firmware (AFAICT), and same PS3 settings, we should have the same results. And in all things, we did have the same results, except for that I tested an actual 3D Blu-ray, and you had something strange happen with the 2D Iron Man 2. If you were to test a full-bandwidth 1080p Frame Packed Blu-ray and get audio, then we would have something... and that would be amazingly good news for all of us!

-Pie

*"no way" in the sense that likelihood approaches zero. It is possible the PS3 had a huge malfunction and went full-bandwidth 3D, but since it doesn't even have that much data from the Blu-ray to start with, that's what makes this really unlikely.

"The PS3 received a firmware update that allowed 3D via the exact same HDMI 1.3 that the 3800 has."

You are comparing apples and oranges.

Receivers prior to HDMI 3D standard, as they are now, a combination of hardware-hdmi chip plus firmware-code. The PS3 is software with very minimal impact from hardware as its hardware is just the HDMI connection.


In the same way older bluray players could not be made to be 3D sources via firmware older receivers can not be made to handle the changes in the signal via firmware.

You can also see this same truth with older HDMI switches that will not allow 3D pass through.

You can not firmware your way past the limitations of the older HDMI support chips design.

You can also have the 1800 remote generate the IR for testing - see link below. The Harmoney may be able to learn the IR from the 1800 remote. You can do this for any of the commands in the spreadsheet.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3417

Load a Windows or *nix or OSX operating system onto your 3800, then post back and we'll discuss.

In short, as jsmiddleton suggests, it's the same reason you can't turn a non-3D TV into a 3D TV. Firmware can't fix everything.

"You can also have the 1800 remote generate the IR for testing"

Would have already done so if there is a discrete command for Categories. The button on the remote cycles through categories does not go to one in particular.

If you figured out how to use a button on Yamaha's remote to send command for individual categories please let me know.

If someone was able to get HD audio to the 3800 and pass through 3D to their display more power to them. Is not possible on my Denon 3808 as I tried just to see. It is also why I have a Panasonic 310 with dual hdmi out. 3D video to 3D display. HD audio to Denon.

Also unless something has changed the PS3 was only passing digital dolby and not HD Audio in 3D mode.

EDIT: Looks like maybe with 3.70 firmware 3D and HD audio are possible?

I am not referrng to the normal buttons. There is a mode that lets you put out a signal for every command in that table of commands. You can get the remote to put out the IR for 7A E0 (for example). Then follow it with 7A E5 and you should go to preset A1. It is a little complicated, but it works.

Specifically (copied from the link)

To generate each code from the Yamaha remote use the select bottoms to display OPTN (select up twice, then select down until you get to OPTN), depress LEARN for several seconds until 7EA0 appears in the window, use the CH + and CH - buttoms to go to the appropriate hex number (4 arrow keys also work) and hit Enter. That will send the command and you can learn it with another remote. Do this for each command. Push learn again to get back to OPTN and select command to return to normal use.


Give it a try.

Want to make sure I'm following you in general.

You can set the Yamaha original remote to broadcast the proper IR code for the discrete code for each preset category?

You determine you have the correct code selected by looking at the display window on top of the remote. When the NEC code appears hit enter and that sends the IR code from the Yamaha remote?

Use the table for the discrete codes to set the Yamaha remote to the necessary discrete code?

Then once you set the remote to the relevant discrete code "teach" the Harmony that IR code. Move on to next NEC code....

I don't have the remote here. I'm helping a friend.

I'd still like to see Logitech add the discrete codes for each category to its default database.

I'll have to do this for the main as well as zones.

Edit: I read the link. Thought it was in relation to preset volume levels. Where did you find this stuff about the remote and command mode?