Official Sony KDS-XXA3000 OWNERS THREAD! - Page 451

Thanks, Walk... that does indeed clear up the question of whether or not 1920x1080p is functional on VGA, albeit with "issues". (I'm aware of this set's 1920x1080 panels and what those benefits are, moreover.) But I have to take exception to the notion that the VGA input is giving you 1:1 pixel mapping. By virtue of the fact that the VGA input is deliberating zooming the display out (underscanning, thereby creating black bars on all sides), it negates any benefits of 1:1 on the A3000 (same as if there was a service menu control similar to the A2000 that would allow us to eliminate the overscan in the HDMI inputs.) This is what I meant when I said that there was software available (such as Media Center) that will allow one to retain 1:1 pixel mapping when playing BD or DVD while only adjusting the overscan of the desktop.

I'll concede that the specific Xbox mentioned earlier could possibly be displaying improper horizontal/vertical frequencies, though I have seen up close other Xboxes display 1080p via VGA into the A3000 fine, save for the deliberate, permanent, and irritating windowboxing and some intermittent drop outs at that input. Looks like TreyS will have to explore those settings further. But what you're describing (the initial overscanning of 1080p info and using software/drivers to underscan the desktop) is attributable ONLY to the OTHER inputs on the A3000 and NOT the VGA, which is where the initial discussion was. The windowboxing (underscanning) on the VGA input is permanent and can't be fixed. So, not only is there no 1:1, again I do not see how you're able to accomplish an overscan (let alone a full border-to-border screen) on that input no matter what adjustments are made or software that's used. Even the manual indicates that this is not possible.

No, it's not permanent. Press the Wide button, select "Zoom", tada, no underscan/windowboxing.

Again, it IS 1:1, but the edges are not visible. That's how it is with this TV. You simply can't see the edges of the screen, unless you pull the TV apart or something. "Full 1" is the underscan mode, let's you see the edges by shrinking the screen.

I'm not fully confident in wide zoom being 1:1

Kudos to you guys who own this Oppo BDP-83. Apparently you got a $3,500 Blu-ray player for only $500!


If you haven't heard, Lexicon literally dropped a $500 Oppo BDP-83 into one of their chassis and is selling it for $3,500! With a straight face, even.

Identical Blu-Ray player! Well, not quite identical -- turns out the Lexicon has crappy firmware, so the Oppo branded version actually out-performs it!

Hillarious story, if you want to read more....


Lexicon busted passing Oppo off as a $3500 Blu-ray player


This story has all the specs and tons more pics:

Oppo on the Inside, Lexicon on the Outside

LOL, now that is just amazingly funny.... I wonder if the price will come down by the end of the week? haha

Anybody that pays that much for a blu-ray player gets what they deserve imo

Hi,
I have my A3000 hooked to my Denon receiver via HDMI. And my receiver is hooked to my DirecTV receiver also via HDMI.

My A3000 does not seem to be able to display close captions from DirecTV signals. Do any of you guys experience this problem?
(I can turn on CC directly on my DTV receiver, but I rather have my A3000 do the captioning).

Thanks

There is no way to transmit CC over HDMI.

The receiver must display the CC.

I had my OB replace last Wednesday because of the green tint in some spots. So far it looks great.
I have been busy for the last few days, but this weekend I have some time to do some color calibration to see if anything if off a bit. So far the colors seems to be as close as I can get it. But looking at the Crosshatch patterns, the picture is bowed in about 1/4" to 1/2" on each side on the top. The bottom of the screen looks ok. It looks like it needs to be rotated clockwise just a couple of degrees too.

Is there anyway to fix the bowing and rotation? Is there anything in the service menu or is there something that needs to be adjusted manually?

Try turning the screws on the back of the frame a little. Mine had a tiny bit of bowing in the top left, a half-turn on the screw fixed 90% of it.

I'm sorry, where is this screw located?

Hello again, just a quick question please.

Recently thanks to Netflix, I am no longer able to watch BD movies from my Samsung BD-P1600 thanks to some sort of problem the USPS is having or Netflix, as I keep getting cracked disks. After 5 months of trying to solve the situation I am forced to discontinue my BD service and only rent DVD's. My question is below...

I have a 55" version of the A3000 and was one of the first to get this set. Mine has ran flawlessly so far, but I have gone thru 3 BD players. I would like to get the absolute best PQ out of DVD and I am wondering if I should use the BD-P1600 built in up conversion or the TV's Bravia engines video processing? Does anyone know of a simple guide for using the TV's built in processing? I would like to try and compare DVD PQ on both component and HDMI cables using both processors. My BD player does not pass 480i on HDMI cable so I have to use component to pass the DVD's native res I believe.

Also I am looking to get the Edge here soon and wondering if it is a good match for my TV? Thanks in advance.

Strange you say that because my cable box is hooked to TV via HDMI and I have closed captions on all the time. I turn them on via the Comcast cable box menu and they appear on my 60" A3000.

My BD player is hooked to TV via HDMI and I watch DVD subtitles (closed captioning) all the time -- with both Blu-Ray and SD DVDs.

I can take pictures if you don't believe me.

I love closed caption so I can read what is being said. Too many directors seem to focus more on explosions or music accompaniment rather than the dialog.

The A3000's deinterlacing and scaling is vastly inferior to any DVD or BD player I've ever used whether it be 480i or 1080i. I would strongly recommend the Oppo BDP-83 as it delivers the best DVD and BD picture quality I've ever seen (and I've used quite a few different players) not to mention many other benefits (speed, reliability, a host of audio abilities, top notch customer service, etc.). I'm not 100%, but I think the Edge uses the same or similar VRS ABT chipset as the Oppo BDP-83. I would also stick with HDMI with the A3000. Using a signal generator's test patterns, it's quite clear HDMI is superior to component on the A3000.

Wow, thank you for this valuable reply. Yes, I messed around for hours today and discovered that my BD player is MUCH better at processing the DVD video compared to my A3000. So yes you are right, my BD player does do a better job. Also, the BDP-83 has the same processor as the DVDO Edge but getting the Edge would give me more options to play with and presumably the same PQ on DVD for roughly the same price. Not to mention it should vastly improve my HD Cable box PQ as well. I hope....

So, I think I will save for the DVDO Edge and a professionally calibrated A3000 TV. I see no other affordable options.

Thank you very much David

Hey Guys,

Current owner of a mits 73837 and have to say I'm not very impressed.

I also have a 60a3000 which I'm very pleased with.

My question:

Would it be a worthwile investment on a used 70 xbr2 with a 2 year transferable warranty for around $1500? I know alot of these are having issues but, alot of the mits have issues as well (bowing, bad geometry, red glow, hot spots, video noise, etc...)

Will everyone of these sets exhibit the green haze problem at some point? Or, are their several owners who have never had any problems.

Any and all thoughts would be appreciated.

I think he meant that the CC info is not passed to your TV over HDMI. So if you left CC off on your cable box and turned on CC on your TV, nothing would happen. Whereas, with analog sources, the CC info is passed to your TV so your TV's native CC decoding still works without you having to turn it on in the cable box.

You're saying the cable box decodes the CC and puts it on the picture before sending it out over HDMI. I don't think anyone is suggesting that doesn't work. But leave CC off in your box and turn it on from your TV, and you'll see that it's not decoded.

I am convinced that all XBR2s will eventually have OB issues. In other words, it's not matter of "if" but "when." $1500 is way too much for a used XBR2 even at 70" and warranty in my opinion.

No problem, and yes, the Edge should be great for cable. I too have have considered the Edge for my cable sources, however, I'm hopeful my next display will have much better processing.

I absolutely agree.

I don't believe wide zooming is 1:1. I think the argument is that of semantics, frankly, in that, sure, one may be able to do certain things to compensate for the fact that the VGA input underscans. But the fact remains, the underscanning is permanent in that there is nothing you can do to prevent the TV from doing that in the first place, as the windowboxing is built-in. Yes, you can get around it by using wide zoom and then scaling via one's available video drivers. But in my opinion, no way does an input that's compromised to begin with by being underscanned--then zoomed (which overscans)--then basically gets re-underscanned (scaled via video drivers) equal 1:1 pixel mapping.

By all accounts I've been able to gather, the only way to get true 1:1 on this set is to use the HDMI inputs; and even then 1:1 with a PC will only be attained IF the video drivers will scale the desktop to the appropriate dimensions so as to make it viewable while leaving BD/DVD playback untouched.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

On the back of the screen, in the upper corners.

I'll try it later tonight and see how it works. Thanks.

DavidHir,

Thanks for your input in regards to to my question. I would say with that response that puts an end to anymore of me pondering that idea.

Thanks again.

Would also like to say thanks to BasicBlak.

You MIGHT be able to get CC on 480i programming by setting your DirecTV receiver to output to NATIVE resolution. If the DirecTV receiver converts 480i to any other format before passing it to your TV, the CC info will probably not be readable by the TV. As far as 1080i and 720p programming, the CC will have to be handled by your DirecTV receiver, as the CC info is not contained in the information transmitted over HDMI.

I'm trying the 480i native on my DirecTV receiver right now, and I'm not able to get my Sony KDS-60A3000 to show CC. Having your DirecTV receiver doing the captioning is probably the best option.

Hugh, thanks a bunch for the InterfaceLift recommendation! There are some truly incredible shots available on that site. Though I haven't applied them to my PC desktop yet, I did load an entire playlist worth of about 200 shots onto my PS3, displaying them as a slideshow. As viewed on the A3000, the images are simply stunning and indeed make quite an impact especially when first walking into the room. Good lookin' out, sir!

The Panasonic plasmas have been mentioned in this thread before as good replacements for the A3000. Just an FYI regarding black levels rising on at least some of those displays.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...romoUnitHolder

FWIW, it works on DirecTV if you use the S-video analog SD output. But it's much better to just use the yellow button to toggle CC. It would be a shame to sacrifice HD just to avoid using DirecTV's captions. You could also make a macro on your remote to do it. You could even make a macro to toggle mute and CC so you automatically get captions on mute like I do.

Yea, the G-series reportedly has some known issues. But, as C-Net itself subsequently reported, the V-series (the model with which I've had a little experience) doesn't appear to suffer from them. Then again, the write-up had focused on long-term performance, so it is indeed worth keeping in mind with any Panny model (or with that of any other manufacturer, for that matter).

All things considered, it's still somewhat early in the game when it comes to these digital displays. CRT has had 60+ years to perfect itself, so it'll always be somewhat of a crap shoot for at least the short run before digital displays in general completely render CRT a distant memory, performance-wise (though they're getting close, I must say).

If the closed captioning (CC) is not being passed via HDMI, then how is it getting to my TV? I am connected cable box > HDMI cable > TV. The Comcast Motorola box is decoding the CC and transmitting it via HDMI.

For my Blu-Ray player, I am also connected via HDMI and that is how I get subtitles. If HDMI can transmit subtitles it can transmit closed captioning, I would think.

here's someone else's story:
http://www.netjeff.com/wp/?p=411

on that that thread someone else said they got cc from Verizon FIOS via HDMI.

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After reading further I agree that native CC is probably not being used. Comcast is overlaying the video with their own version of CC to bypass the limitations of HDMI.