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post #10021 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

Sarhento and Bass addict, first, you should check my signature in order to have some info on my installation.
check this one first: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=Gelli

Once there, you'll see a chart showing a Hz by Hz Frequency Response made at the MLP.
the measurements were done exactly where my ears are positioned, which is the same i used
for Audyssey calibration.
i don't know exactly what makes the response so strong below 16 Hz. 
it is most probably caused by many factors.
the measuring instrument i used has a flat Fr. response setting); meaning
no low frequency attenuation in the measurements.

one thing that isn't told is that the smaller sub is tuned at 16 Hz
and the larger one at 10 Hz:
for a given signal, the output of the smaller sub has been decreased to compensate
for it's lower max. output capability, in order that when both subs are driven hard,
the smaller one is not overloaded.  i tuned for a difference of about 5 dB between the two.

i've tuned the 13-U like this: 
2 ports blocked;
filter set at "sealed".
in the AVR config, after Audyssey calibration, the subs are set to play 3 dB hot, for a flat-to-the-ear response.

playing the loudest movies at reference level or Cameron Carpenter's Revolutionary on SACD, i never hear port chuffing from
the subs, and no distortion that i can hear.

before tuning this way, i asked Jack Gilvey for his opinion about this way of doing it,
and he answered: "I’d go with a 3-4 dB difference between the two as the PC13-Ultra will have at least that much advantage. Should be an outstanding setup!  smile.gif".

Does not the manual say that "2 ports blocked" is not supported? I wonder why?
post #10022 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Hyrlyfrm View Post

Here's a graph of what my SB13-Ultra can do taken from my LP. It was supposed to say Dynamic EQ on.

Very nice curve. How much boost/cutting did it take to get there? One can make a very flat curve down to 10hz by pulling down all the upper frequencies, albeit at the expense of all your headroom.
post #10023 of 10036
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

Hey Rampage123,how have you been? What ever happened to your blower speaker/amp you had? What it replaced under warranty?

Hello D/L Sorry I didn't get back to you about that bash amp (I've been so damn busy). Anyway,all my amps are working fine.
post #10024 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Z06_Pilot View Post

wow, do you use them as ceiling support colums in your listening room as well? smile.gif

impressive...
Supports? LoL. I bought one,then another,then two more. Powerful and effortless bass.wink.gif
post #10025 of 10036
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Originally Posted by SARHENTO View Post

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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

Sarhento and Bass addict, first, you should check my signature in order to have some info on my installation.
check this one first: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=Gelli

Once there, you'll see a chart showing a Hz by Hz Frequency Response made at the MLP.
the measurements were done exactly where my ears are positioned, which is the same i used
for Audyssey calibration.
i don't know exactly what makes the response so strong below 16 Hz. 
it is most probably caused by many factors.
the measuring instrument i used has a flat Fr. response setting); meaning
no low frequency attenuation in the measurements.

one thing that isn't told is that the smaller sub is tuned at 16 Hz
and the larger one at 10 Hz:
for a given signal, the output of the smaller sub has been decreased to compensate
for it's lower max. output capability, in order that when both subs are driven hard,
the smaller one is not overloaded.  i tuned for a difference of about 5 dB between the two.

i've tuned the 13-U like this: 
2 ports blocked;
filter set at "sealed".
in the AVR config, after Audyssey calibration, the subs are set to play 3 dB hot, for a flat-to-the-ear response.

playing the loudest movies at reference level or Cameron Carpenter's Revolutionary on SACD, i never hear port chuffing from
the subs, and no distortion that i can hear.

before tuning this way, i asked Jack Gilvey for his opinion about this way of doing it,
and he answered: "I’d go with a 3-4 dB difference between the two as the PC13-Ultra will have at least that much advantage. Should be an outstanding setup!  smile.gif".

Does not the manual say that "2 ports blocked" is not supported? I wonder why?


i'm not sure why, but i think it may be because under some conditions there will be port chuffing.

i don't get any of that on my 13-U because, along with the 12-Plus, i have spare output; they never work to full capacity.

when i only had the 12-Plus, i did have some chuffing sometimes when i tried to use it when tuned to 11 Hz.


Edited by Gellidius - 5/19/13 at 12:52pm
post #10026 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post


i'm not sure why, but i think it may be because under some conditions there will be port chuffing.
i don't get any of that on my 13-U because, along with the 12-Plus, i have spare output; they never work to full capacity.
when i only had the 12-Plus, i did have some chuffing sometimes when i tried to use it when tuned to 11 Hz.

I'm not sure I can identify port chuffing if ever it happens. Would you please describe it and under what circumstance does that occur?
post #10027 of 10036
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Originally Posted by SARHENTO View Post

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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post


i'm not sure why, but i think it may be because under some conditions there will be port chuffing.
i don't get any of that on my 13-U because, along with the 12-Plus, i have spare output; they never work to full capacity.
when i only had the 12-Plus, i did have some chuffing sometimes when i tried to use it when tuned to 11 Hz.

I'm not sure I can identify port chuffing if ever it happens. Would you please describe it and under what circumstance does that occur?


it happens when the port size is too small for the work the driver is doing, i.e. moving air.

the smaller the port opening, the earlier noise is produced.

ported speakers move the air outside and also inside.  when the air goes fast enough through the port(s), then it makes "wind noise", chuffing;

if you breathe fast through your mouth when you make a small enough opening, you will hear similar noise. something like "hoo hoo".

same thing when you blow air through your mouth to blow away dust on a surface.

post #10028 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post


it happens when the port size is too small for the work the driver is doing, i.e. moving air.
the smaller the port opening, the earlier noise is produced.
ported speakers move the air outside and also inside.  when the air goes fast enough through the port(s), then it makes "wind noise", chuffing;
if you breathe fast through your mouth when you make a small enough opening, you will hear similar noise. something like "hoo hoo".
same thing when you blow air through your mouth to blow away dust on a surface.

Thanks Gellidius. I appreciate the response.
post #10029 of 10036
Here's a graph without any EQ at all. As for how it sounds at reference levels? Well, first of all I have it in a 1700ft^3 space, so I don't think it gets anywhere near its limits. The crash scene from FOTP makes my windows sound like they are going to break. I've jumped out of a few Cessna 182's and the one solid droning part from that scene reminds me of being out on a strut. I'll try to remember to play some bass demo scenes and measure the SPL's. What amazes me is how clean everything sounds during the craziest stuff I've played through it so far.

post #10030 of 10036
Now that's exactly what I expected to see. You're down 20db's from 25 to 10hz. By eq'ing flat, you've effectively pulled down 20db's. It requires a doubling of amplifier power (all things being equal) for every 3db drop. That's a lot of headroom that you've given up in your scenario. Now 1,700 cf isn't a huge room, so maybe you can get away with it, but others might not be so lucky. I'd also be willing to wager you aren't getting anywhere near reference. I'd love to see a pic of your SPL at reference at the LP.
post #10031 of 10036
Here is a quick reference level sweep. I have no desire to ever listen to anything that loud. I like my hearing and want to keep it.

post #10032 of 10036
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Here is a quick reference level sweep. I have no desire to ever listen to anything that loud. I like my hearing and want to keep it.

Very nice looking graph.
post #10033 of 10036
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Very nice looking graph.

Very nice indeed! What software is used to produce this graph?
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post #10035 of 10036
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Originally Posted by MemX View Post

Really?! Blimey... eek.gif
hm... I have1 PB-12plus/2 and 2 PB-13Ultras. 12plus2 is in my HT setup and ultras are in my stereo setup. Identical rooms with the exception of 2 opening in hallway and dining area in HT room with PB12plus/2 sitting next to one opening. I haven't measured max SPL (don't care for ground shaking SPL levels) but subjectively PB-12Plus/2 has an edge over Ultra above 30Hz or so (in the room with huge opening). One can look at ground plane measurements published on sister websites to see how they measure. SQ wise Ultra obviously has an edge - wise choice for music sub.

PB13-Ultra 20Hz tune
PB12plus/2 25Hz tune (12.1 drivers)
PB12Plus/2 25Hz tune (12.3 drivers)
Edited by tpaxadpom - 5/20/13 at 12:36pm
post #10036 of 10036
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Originally Posted by tpaxadpom View Post

hm... I have1 PB-12plus/2 and 2 PB-13Ultras. 12plus2 is in my HT setup and ultras are in my stereo setup. Identical rooms with the exception of 2 opening in hallway and dining area in HT room with PB12plus/2 sitting next to one opening. I haven't measured max SPL (don't care for ground shaking SPL levels) but subjectively PB-12Plus/2 has an edge over Ultra above 30Hz or so (in the room with huge opening). One can look at ground plane measurements published on sister websites to see how they measure. SQ wise Ultra obviously has an edge - wise choice for music sub.

PB13-Ultra 20Hz tune
PB12plus/2 25Hz tune (12.1 drivers)
PB12Plus/2 25Hz tune (12.3 drivers)
Thanks for those links smile.gif
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